Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,051-1,054

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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,051-1,054

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Kudo Shinchi wrote:
May 16th, 2020, 6:01 pm
Zerozaki4869 wrote:
May 16th, 2020, 8:49 am
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Now look at the shading given underneath Kohji's body, it proves that Kuroda also recalled Kohji on a floor.....
Have we confirmed that Gosho didn't correct Kuroda's panel for the volume release? If he didn't, this is really quite the piece of evidence. Kuroda is literally the only character who remembers Kohji without that trickle and pool of blood...
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Re:andi2ews and DCUniverseAficionado, thank you. This feels like a potentially critical hint, then, perhaps analogous in both importance and subtlety to Jodie's photographs in the Vermouth arc.
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Kudo Shinchi wrote:
May 23rd, 2020, 5:45 am
Re:andi2ews and DCUniverseAficionado, thank you. This feels like a potentially critical hint, then, perhaps analogous in both importance and subtlety to Jodie's photographs in the Vermouth arc.

you're welcome. im pretty interested about this problem cause it's related to and old post i made some time ago, https://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?t=13563&start=30 .

and I'd like to add that i think the pool of blood is the red herring in the comparison between memories. The most important clue is the open eye in kuroda memories while the blood is related to the assumption of the APTX. After he took the drug he spit blood
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Pretty interesting observations here and also from the post from a year ago which user andi2ews mentioned here.
If we consider the memories of Rumi and Kuroda in a time frame, It seems quite logical to conclude that Rumi's memory of Kohji is in a later point of time than Kuroda's.
(Based on the assumption that both of them saw Kohji on the floor in person).
This is kinda like the confirmation bias we have. We want facts to fit our theory. That is, one will surely say that Kohji was lying on the floor for some time. After a while, (because of slow internal bleeding or such), blood trickled on the floor.
But what if it is other way round? Saying that, someone killed and then spent some time in the room, wiping the blood and opening his one eyelid and planting the message , messing up the room etc.
Also in the pics, Kohji in Kuroda's memories has more bruises. Maybe those are blood clots that form over time, and hence appear much later.
That would explain how Rumi's memory takes place first and so on.
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But what if it is other way round? Saying that, someone killed and then spent some time in the room, wiping the blood and opening his one eyelid and planting the message , messing up the room etc.
Doesn't sound remotely possible. Cause the debris, plus there's also some blood in Kuroda's memory on Kohji's left lip.

Regarding the scars on Kohji's left cheek the scar recalled by Rumi is apparently bigger than the one recalled by Kuroda. So once could use that to substantiate the opposite assertion.

On another front, Andi's observation is correct, cause technically the blur on Kohji's right eye in Kuroda's memory can't be a bruise, cause the position of Kohji's spectacles. In Rumi's memory there's no scar there. So Andi was right in claiming that , the blur was not scar.
Could it be a partially opened eyelid....
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Zerozaki4869 wrote:
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But what if it is other way round? Saying that, someone killed and then spent some time in the room, wiping the blood and opening his one eyelid and planting the message , messing up the room etc.
Doesn't sound remotely possible. Cause the debris, plus there's also some blood in Kuroda's memory on Kohji's left lip.

Regarding the scars on Kohji's left cheek the scar recalled by Rumi is apparently bigger than the one recalled by Kuroda. So once could use that to substantiate the opposite assertion.

On another front, Andi's observation is correct, cause technically the blur on Kohji's right eye in Kuroda's memory can't be a bruise, cause the position of Kohji's spectacles. In Rumi's memory there's no scar there. So Andi was right in claiming that , the blur was not scar.
Could it be a partially opened eyelid....
i think the biggest proof which testifies that Kuroda saw Kohji in point of death is the fact that if you compared the two facial expressions of Kohji you'll notice that in Kuroda's memories he seems to suffer a lot while in Rumi's memories his face and body is totally relaxed, just like some time after death.
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blackmoon wrote:
May 4th, 2020, 5:29 am

Good point there...
One thing i do not understand about Amuro's flash back when he held Kohji's favorite shogi piece is that he thought that this shogi piece may be connected to Kohji's killer, which may also be present at the farm... but... according to the B.O.'s aptx drug victim list, Kohji's name was listed on that list... so did Bourbon not have access to the aptx victim list? And he who is a code-named B.O. agent never knew or heard that Kohji was killed by aptx, which could only be in the hands of B.O.? Considering that even Gin knew about RUM being involved in the case of Kohji, it's hard to believe that Bourbon is unaware that Kohji's death is related to RUM. So... why did Amuro's flash back made him connect to a 'possible Kohji killer' based on police records, but not RUM instead ??? In other words, why didn't Kohji's shogi piece trigger a connection to RUM from Bourbon but a 'fugitive killer of Haneda
This is a really good question Blackmoon, also like many people pointed out it impossible for amuro not to know that the BO was responsible for Haneda death so amuro must know that the Bo was involved in haneda death so then why did amuro say haneda killer and not Rum?

This is my opinion on the matter,
First possibility is that amuro already know RUM identity that why amuro said "dont tell me haneda killer is on this farm" because amuro know that RUM is not in the farm and is not the killer.

Also amuro statement suggest that RUM did not do the killing blow but someone else did and now after looking at all 4 flashback of haneda by kuroda, mary, wakasa and amuro the flashback that seems so suspicious like many people pointed out too is kuroda flashback bc of the lack of blood.

I think there many hint that suggest amuro already knowing RUM identity though such as saying No progress at all to kuroda, and in nagano case with wakita, amuro trying to use the card with dirt which some people in this forum said that it could be to get wakita fingerprints.
I think that amuro with yusaku and akai have a hunch that either kuroda or wakita is RUM.

Also RUM make a report to the BO that someone else kill Haneda and Bourbon believe the report.

Another second possibility is that RUM was the one that did the killing blow by putting aptx to haneda mouth but making false report to the BO that RUM dropped APTX because RUM was in the hurry when RUM hear someone footsteps and RUM imply that someone else did put the aptx to haneda mouth when RUM had escaped and that someone know about BO involvement and that someone has made the mirror message have anagram of ASACARUM and CARASUMA.

So the BO believe RUM report and that why GIN said RUM screw up because RUM let other people kill haneda and framing the BO and bourbon probally believe RUM false report.

But this is just my opinion on why amuro said haneda killer and i think the second possibility is most likely though.
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