Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,022-1026

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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,022-1026

Postby MeiTanteixX » January 12th, 2019, 4:10 am

evident by the fact that ZTT doesn't have "cases".
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,022-1026

Postby AKAI REI » January 12th, 2019, 7:06 am

Hey. So, just wondering.. This is the first case where it is confirmed that Tsutomu is alive right?
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,022-1026

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » January 12th, 2019, 3:11 pm

AKAI REI wrote:Hey. So, just wondering.. This is the first case where it is confirmed that Tsutomu is alive right?


It's unclear.

Even if Mary wasn't lying to Masumi about her reasons for going out that day, it's unknown if she actually met him or if she was tricked by the BO into thinking he'd be waiting for her.

However, as of now, I'd say he is alive. After Masumi first mentioned his death (Bowling Alley Murder Case – 859–861/744–745), Gosho then got evasive about answering the question of whether he was dead or not. Then, it was revealed that his body wasn't found (Ripples – 972–974/881–882).

And if this is the reveal we're going to get, then it wouldn't be the first time an apparently long-dead father character turned out to be alive (Toichi Kuroba).
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,022-1026

Postby thriceplus » January 14th, 2019, 12:31 am

What I don't get is why Conan's so desperate not to let Sera (or even Akai to some extent) know his true identity when he just casually tells Eisuke...
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,022-1026

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » January 14th, 2019, 12:47 pm

thriceplus wrote:What I don't get is why Conan's so desperate not to let Sera (or even Akai to some extent) know his true identity when he just casually tells Eisuke...


Because Gosho just doesn't want them (Shinichi/Conan and Mary) to willingly reveal themselves to each other at this point, I suppose.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,022-1026

Postby Antiyonder » January 14th, 2019, 2:36 pm

DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
thriceplus wrote:What I don't get is why Conan's so desperate not to let Sera (or even Akai to some extent) know his true identity when he just casually tells Eisuke...


Because Gosho just doesn't want them (Shinichi/Conan and Mary) to willingly reveal themselves to each other at this point, I suppose.


I think this is his philosophy on change and unexplored territory:

"changes are bad, m'kay, so, if you like changes, you're bad, m'kay, because changes are bad. they can hurt your mind, m'kay, cause changes are bad, m'kay..." ;D

That also is the narrative's stance on the concept of trust as I demonstrate here: viewtopic.php?p=879393#p879393

But in short just look at Game Company Murder Case and Reunion with the Black Organization and how they end.

Conan breaks the sacred covenant of the series and people die. Haibara at the end of the latter is even a mouth piece for Gosho stating that "this is why changing the status quo is no good".

But I have yet to see a canonical moment where keeping a secret led to a massacre in the same vein as those episodes.
The Mystery of Conan Edogawa.

Arguably one of the best attempts at tackling the story of "Ran discovering the secret behind Conan". It's strong point is taking a common plot for Detective Conan fan fics and presenting it in a fresh manner such as:
- Touching on things that aren't dealt with in the show or discussed much.
- While there is some understanding towards Conan's predicament, the fic doesn't ignore the problematic approach he takes towards keeping quiet.

So, do yourself a favor and read this. I only wish I could so something half as decent.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,022-1026

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » January 14th, 2019, 3:30 pm

Antiyonder wrote:
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
thriceplus wrote:What I don't get is why Conan's so desperate not to let Sera (or even Akai to some extent) know his true identity when he just casually tells Eisuke...


Because Gosho just doesn't want them (Shinichi/Conan and Mary) to willingly reveal themselves to each other at this point, I suppose.


I think this is his philosophy on change and unexplored territory:

"changes are bad, m'kay, so, if you like changes, you're bad, m'kay, because changes are bad. they can hurt your mind, m'kay, cause changes are bad, m'kay..." ;D

That also is the narrative's stance on the concept of trust as I demonstrate here: viewtopic.php?p=879393#p879393

But in short just look at Game Company Murder Case and Reunion with the Black Organization and how they end.

Conan breaks the sacred covenant of the series and people die. Haibara at the end of the latter is even a mouth piece for Gosho stating that "this is why changing the status quo is no good".

But I have yet to see a canonical moment where keeping a secret led to a massacre in the same vein as those episodes.


And that interpretation and perception of him is going to stick for you until he actually launches us into the endgame (of the Rum arc and/or the entire story).

I don't think he thinks change is a horrible thing to be avoided—he just doesn't want to do it yet. It simply must not be high on his priority list, at this point—it's more that, rather than him preserving the status quo because he really, really wants to and really, really detests change.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,022-1026

Postby Incomplete-tantei » January 17th, 2019, 11:54 am

thriceplus wrote:What I don't get is why Conan's so desperate not to let Sera (or even Akai to some extent) know his true identity when he just casually tells Eisuke...


He did reveal his identity to Eisuke but Eisuke put him in a situation (on purpose or not) where he had to reveal his identity somehow. Otherwise, he wouldn't have done it. Even if Sera has showed many times to Conan that she knows he's Shinichi, he still doesn't want to admit because no one should know his true identity, that's how it is from the beginning. But well, I have to say it's quite pointless to hide it from Sera or even from Akai who both know without doubt that Conan=Shinchi.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,022-1026

Postby Antiyonder » February 13th, 2019, 1:32 pm

Incomplete-tantei wrote:He did reveal his identity to Eisuke but Eisuke put him in a situation (on purpose or not) where he had to reveal his identity somehow.


No he really didn't need to. Conan did it to cockblock him and no other reason.
The Mystery of Conan Edogawa.

Arguably one of the best attempts at tackling the story of "Ran discovering the secret behind Conan". It's strong point is taking a common plot for Detective Conan fan fics and presenting it in a fresh manner such as:
- Touching on things that aren't dealt with in the show or discussed much.
- While there is some understanding towards Conan's predicament, the fic doesn't ignore the problematic approach he takes towards keeping quiet.

So, do yourself a favor and read this. I only wish I could so something half as decent.

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