Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

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Elixir wrote:Akai's phone number
Gosho probably missed this detail, since from the reader's perspective, we all are aware that Kir have Akai's mobile. Since Akai still has the message left by Akemi, I would assume his current number is the same as his BO number, registered in Moroboshi Dai's name. Though I also agree he should have changed his number.

Please enlighten me how BO can track his location through this number. I'm not knowledgeable around this expertise. :)

Also, I am beginning to believe that Akai indeed has engineering degree. How on earth did he hack through Haibara's messaging system and Kogorou's laptop? If that is the case, he knows how to block tracking against him, right?
Most likely he already has blocked tracking. You can't be careless while faking death, after all! :3
BO probably wouldn't bother tracking his location if he hasn't (which I really doubt). They won't bother anymore since they think he's dead. Unless they get suspicious.
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This has been bothering me for a while, and someone else might have pointed it out already...
Bourbon, Rye, and Scotch were/are all undercover agents in the BO, and the alcohols are all whiskeys. Could be a coincidence, but worth noting the relationship, I think. It would support the theories of their possible connection any way.
But if it's not just a literary hint, and these are the code-names Anokata picked for the three, then he/she would have known before... Ugh, no idea.

I also agree about Akai's cell phone being just a detail Gosho ignored. It's not the kind of thing he'd care about or draw attention to.
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Silverdoe-chan wrote:This has been bothering me for a while, and someone else might have pointed it out already...
Bourbon, Rye, and Scotch were/are all undercover agents in the BO, and the alcohols are all whiskeys. Could be a coincidence, but worth noting the relationship, I think.
Plus Irish in the movie, if someone cares. Hahah.
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Korvo wrote: It's been pretty well established that Haibara only senses the aura sometimes from Akai. I don't see why Bourbon, who's also a mole, can't be a similar exception.
I know, so why did she only sense the aura once? And yet Haibara has been around Bourbon at least two times after the "Conan kidnapped" case (delivery case and when he was Benzaki), why didn't she feel anything especially when Bourbon had disguised as Benzaki? I'm also pretty confident she didn't feel anything at the end of the delivery case because she didn't have the very scared face on she usually has when she knows there's a BO guy around. To my mind, I wouldn't say once is sufficient as Haibara felt Okiya was BO many times (red/yellow/white case, Ikkaku case or the case when DB were cornered in the building that had to be demolished). The only conclusion I can come up with, is that Rei isn't scary enough...
AICHAN wrote: Well maybe Ai sense him transitely transitorily like with Akai.Or maybe that was another clue that Amuro wasn't a real BO member.
If she feels he's BO from time to time like with Akai, I agree. But that's not what has been shown. The fact that it was a clue he wasn't really BO is quite weird. I mean Gosho can't omit the fact that Haibara can sense BO guys just because he wants to leave a hint... the fact that Haibara can sense BO's aura is quite big after all, he shouldn't neglect that.
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maybe Ai only feels people who focus their attention on her,or are in an aggressive mood.
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AICHAN wrote:maybe Ai only feels people who focus their attention on her,or are in an aggressive mood.
what haibara explained at the beginning(the bus hijack case) to Conan was that the BO members had a special smell, a smell that she senses from a distance even(probably because of the fact that she has been traumatized by them). She only mentioned "aura" once, which was during the red/yellow/white case. if we should connect the whole aura thing with what she said about the "smell", id say she was just describing how immense the smell was, almost like if she felt the aura of the person pressuring her!!!

EDIT: I really hope Gosho will explain further the whole thing about haibara's smell sensing ability. Maybe one day haibara will walk to the store, and one day feel the BO presence(by smell) only to realize that it was a strong collogne that could be bought at the store. Then, conan will trace the collogne back to the customer who bought it, who happens to be vermouth!!! :P
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MeiTanteixX wrote:EDIT: I really hope Gosho will explain further the whole thing about haibara's smell sensing ability. Maybe one day haibara will walk to the store, and one day feel the BO presence(by smell) only to realize that it was a strong collogne that could be bought at the store. Then, conan will trace the collogne back to the customer who bought it, who happens to be vermouth!!! :P
I don't think Gosho will ever explain that. I think it's rather a some kind of fanservice. Do You remember how Conan reacted in the bus after hearing that? I think Gosho wanted to give us a tad of humourish accent regarding usually serious Haibara.
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Nemomon wrote:
MeiTanteixX wrote:EDIT: I really hope Gosho will explain further the whole thing about haibara's smell sensing ability. Maybe one day haibara will walk to the store, and one day feel the BO presence(by smell) only to realize that it was a strong collogne that could be bought at the store. Then, conan will trace the collogne back to the customer who bought it, who happens to be vermouth!!! :P
I don't think Gosho will ever explain that. I think it's rather a some kind of fanservice. Do You remember how Conan reacted in the bus after hearing that? I think Gosho wanted to give us a tad of humourish accent regarding usually serious Haibara.
but the explanation of the smell is what has lead us to understand and pick up hints of BO members being nearby....even in the Bus hijack, that explanation about the smell was foreshadowing that she was gonna recognize vermouth presence in the bus!! So it wasn't for fanservice purposes at all!!

EDiT: I think that, if there's an explanation, whatever the smell comes originally from, it's is something that only vermouth and akai has on, and that she smelled bourbons presence because he picked it up from vermouth. that would explain why she wasn't picking up his BO smell the other times, because he wasn't around vermouth once that time. The same with pisco, during the party, he might've picked up the smell from vermouth. As i said, the smell isn't notable to others because it's sense that the miyano sisters were able to pick up after being traumatized by the BO.....And all this explanation is only IF there is any explanation! !!!
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I been thinking a bit about the matter that bourbon is a spy as well as Akai was a spy as well.
Remembering that someone said that Shiho realtionship with amuro is the same with akai ( something like that )

So if Akemi knew that Akai ( Dai-kun ) was using her and he being a spy, did she also mean that she knew the Amuro aka Bourbon is a spy ?

What do you guys think ?
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I think it likely Akemi knew, considering little Rei was frequently visiting her mother. :P
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yeah maybe she knows that he wasn't a real BO member like the others.Akemi had many secrets actually.I wouldn't be surprised if she knew he was working with PSB.

Really I want to see Amuro/Elena relationship,I'm disappointed that Gosho leaves that point to skip into a Shuukichi/Yumi case.
I been thinking a bit about the matter that bourbon is a spy as well as Akai was a spy as well.
Remembering that someone said that Shiho realtionship with amuro is the same with akai ( something like that )
??? who said that?
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I dont remember where I read that, but in wiki there different things, like shiho know that akai and bourbon were rivals

Akemi really know a lot, she might have known akai and bourbon are spies but rivals since they come from different agencies.
And also since Amuro been close to the miyano family, Akemi most likely knows a lot about him and about many things we still don't know
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The only thing that took my attention in the series was Camel's flashback about slipping information. since my memory is weak, was that case shown in the pas how he passed info before? I might be over thinking, but I am wondering if it has a major role in the plot
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kholoudsafir wrote:The only thing that took my attention in the series was Camel's flashback about slipping information. since my memory is weak, was that case shown in the pas how he passed info before? I might be over thinking, but I am wondering if it has a major role in the plot
yes,
It was shown in the past, as a flashback, during the Clash of red and black series. And yes, it had a major role since that lead to the organization finding out about akai being an FBI agent and thus resulting Akemi's death!!!

Basically, Camel indirectly killed Akemi!!
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Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...''
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Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
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Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''
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MeiTanteixX wrote:
kholoudsafir wrote:The only thing that took my attention in the series was Camel's flashback about slipping information. since my memory is weak, was that case shown in the pas how he passed info before? I might be over thinking, but I am wondering if it has a major role in the plot
yes,
It was shown in the past, as a flashback, during the Clash of red and black series. And yes, it had a major role since that lead to the organization finding out about akai being an FBI agent and thus resulting Akemi's death!!!

Basically, Camel indirectly killed Akemi!!
Since you mentioned that scene I feel like saying what have bugged me from the very first time I saw it in The Clash Of Red & Black. The way the FBI wanted to capture Gin was ok, but then when the old man showed up all of a sudden and Camel rushed into him trying to warn him about the place being dangerous for him. Akai & all the other agents kept watching the old man smirking & walk away easily without taking any action. First when I saw it I was like: "What the hell? Just as easy as that? They didn't even take an attempt to arrest him or even question him?". Man it's not logical, they spent 2 years or so tucking a highly ranked agent of them into the organization, and when the moment came, not one of them attempted to do anything to that old man? It's even not clear to us who that old man is. I wonder if he's an agent in the organization or if he was hired by them to check for traps like these. The FBI allowing a suspicious person like him get away easily can't just get in my head. There's even no reason for it.
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