*SPOILER FREE* Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 818-

[ProfParanoia]

if i remember correctly, the wounds only healed because sherry shrank again , and since gin didn't want to kill her, no bullet actually entered her body.

6 bullets out of 8 entered and went into her body, I don't remember saying the shrinking helped her, and it really wouldn't since changing looks very much like making your body work overtime from the pain. Plus she went the whole time without passing out.

[Sani]

6 bullets out of 8 entered and went into her body, I don't remember saying the shrinking helped her, and it really wouldn't since changing looks very much like making your body work overtime from the pain. Plus she went the whole time without passing out.

I always took it for granted that the shrinking part was the only way for her to have survived that encounter. Her whole body shrank and thus the wounds shrank as well. If that's what happened, then her childlike body only had to heal wounds of the size of maybe a few needle stitches. No need to die from these, right? Just because they haven't specifically stated that that's what happened doesn't mean it can't be true.

Aoyama never goes into that much detail when things come to the specific working of the Aptx or it's antidote. (Like: If it inflicts apoptosis and the bodies change so much, why did the apoptosis stop at 6/7 year old bodies? And why are their brains still the same when the body changes so much? If the apoptosis causes cell destruction to the point that they shrink, shouldn't sideeffect-less victims' bodies disappear? Why then did they do research on Shinichi when his corpse wasn't found? Etc.) So I guess worrying over that part won't cause much insight. The poison, its antidote and their workings are probably just miracles and not meant to be understood. =/

You have a point with the added pains of transformation - bullet wounds - retransformation, but maybe the BO train their members on pain-resistance (like Gin can't be affected by poison) and that's why she didn't pass out. It's only guesses though and I don't have evidence for any of it.

[Stopwatch]

While I think the shrinking could possibly have something to do with how she survived at that point, scars *don't* grow or shrink with age. There's even a DC case which involves that; the one with the blind lady and the three(?) different guys with scars that lead into that case with Matsumoto...

[Partsu]

I'm pretty darn sure no one could see if they change size when person SHRINKS right?
except those who know Shiho/Ai and Shinichi/Conan

[ProfParanoia]

Spoiler: @Sani

6 bullets out of 8 entered and went into her body, I don't remember saying the shrinking helped her, and it really wouldn't since changing looks very much like making your body work overtime from the pain. Plus she went the whole time without passing out.

I always took it for granted that the shrinking part was the only way for her to have survived that encounter. Her whole body shrank and thus the wounds shrank as well. If that's what happened, then her childlike body only had to heal wounds of the size of maybe a few needle stitches. No need to die from these, right? Just because they haven't specifically stated that that's what happened doesn't mean it can't be true.

You have a point with the added pains of transformation - bullet wounds - retransformation, but maybe the BO train their members on pain-resistance (like Gin can't be affected by poison) and that's why she didn't pass out. It's only guesses though and I don't have evidence for any of it.

1. We don't know that and  even then the exit wounds would still be massive in ratio to her body. Plus she fell down a chimney from the top floor to the bottom on brick. Also she had to inhale the smoke from the fire.

2. It's also less that she didn't die and more than she was walking the next day, didn't pass out, and only screamed in the transformations (which also shows how painful and probably forcing on the body it all is.

3. Most importantly people are taking the joking about dropping an A-Bomb on a 7-year-old seriously.

4. No real reason for her to have that training, she was a scientist and I dont think she did the dirt.

Spoiler: @Kleene

"Imagine, that Haibara got hurt and has to go to the hospital (and doesn't get treated at home. Sure, you can treat bullet shots at home, no problem at all :x)
Conan would be worried, Ran and DBs would interact with her, even Okiya/Akai could come out and talk with her + apologize and whatnot
Even if she's not able to move, interaction wise, there could be done a lot"

The whole idea of injured and coma seems like a "lets give everyone else something to do and I don't care what happens to Ai", especially for coma or death. It would seems like an even blander and less comfortable Desp Revival (which glossed over the whole thing after like a file). They could just have the characters talk, we don't need any added faux drama. And they should really just apologize for this whole idea (but that's a different discussion). I'd also rather not see any more Okiya than I have too. :-x

If anyone wants further discussion, I'mm fulling willing to shoot you 6 times and then squeeze your wounds smaller. For full reality I'll even use Gin's Beretta M9.

Out side of that, I've eaten up like 5 pages of nothing and people probably want to use this space for the case.

[Stopwatch]

I'm pretty darn sure no one could see if they change size when person SHRINKS right?
except those who know Shiho/Ai and Shinichi/Conan

...not sure what you're saying here. If a wound doesn't change shape when someone grows up naturally, I don't think that shrinking will be any different. It's your opinion of course, but if it works one way, shouldn't it work the other?

I think it probably happened (not in-universe of course) 'cause Aoyama wanted drama, not long lasting injury to Haibara that could affect quite a few other files and make him have to change a lot of the dynamics during that time...

[Memesu]

Little early maybe, but who do you think shot that guy?

^
From what I saw, the culprit seemed male.

[Kleene Onigiri]

I'm pretty darn sure no one could see if they change size when person SHRINKS right?
except those who know Shiho/Ai and Shinichi/Conan

...not sure what you're saying here. If a wound doesn't change shape when someone grows up naturally, I don't think that shrinking will be any different. It's your opinion of course, but if it works one way, shouldn't it work the other?

I think it probably happened (not in-universe of course) 'cause Aoyama wanted drama, not long lasting injury to Haibara that could affect quite a few other files and make him have to change a lot of the dynamics during that time...

Shrinking is something different.
When you have a wound and you keep on growing, the wound doesn't grow with you because your body grows new, healthy cells and doesn't keep up making new, damaged cells. So the size of a wound wouldn't grow.

The shrinking with APTX isn't the same as growing. (tho that's all not real anyway, and we don't know the "rules" for the shrinking anyway)
But that shrinking would destroy your cells. So it could destroy some cells that are around the wound, or are the wound. So the wound could shrink, maybe.
Still, shrinking doesn't automatically heals your body completely imo. There would still be some damage to the body. And if the body shrinks percentaged, the wounds would too. But the wounds would be still the same to the now smaller body.


@prof:
For me, the whole "BO is really dangerous" would be more real then. For now, Gin didn't manage to kill anyone besides Akemi, and that's because Akemi confronted Gin herself. And he's supposed to one of the main enemies/baddies.

[ProfParanoia]

@prof:
For me, the whole "BO is really dangerous" would be more real then. For now, Gin didn't manage to kill anyone besides Akemi, and that's because Akemi confronted Gin herself. And he's supposed to one of the main enemies/baddies.

Probably be better if they stopped making their snipers shoot standing up (Chianti/Korn that is).

EDIT: They should also listen to Vodka more .

EDIT2: I also think the only way they could do it (the injure Ai thing) and not be obnoxious is to have Ai put up a fight which wouldn't help them look dangerous either.

[GinRei]

@prof:
For me, the whole "BO is really dangerous" would be more real then. For now, Gin didn't manage to kill anyone besides Akemi, and that's because Akemi confronted Gin herself. And he's supposed to one of the main enemies/baddies.

He also killed Pisco.  And we know the BO kills important people, blows crap up just to cover their tracks, etc.  Combine that with Gin being one of their most lethal enforcers, and you know he's dangerous.  I actually think his ominous aura would be lessened if it showed him going around killing a lot of people.

[ProfParanoia]

Gin also looks like a homeless guy who stole someone's car, probably a reason as to why he's not threatening. Plus his out there car was the reason Conan and Ai were even at the party so it wasn't really Pisco's fault. And he was judging the effectiveness of snipers by how they did one standing shot, which  isn't really fair.

[HADAA]

Gin is dangerous and evil because he and Vodka kicked a child just to get ahead in a roller coaster ride.

[Akonyl]

Gin is dangerous and evil because he and Vodka kicked a child just to get ahead in a roller coaster ride.

Nobody comes between Gin and his objectives. Nobody!

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

So here are my thoughts on 818. No spoilers for 819 were used for this. (As in I have not looked at them nor have any idea what they are.)

Index - not a spoiler

Spoiler: index

[iurl=#ptlf]People to look for [/iurl]
[iurl=#asad]Assumptions about disguises [/iurl]
[iurl=#dott]Definitely on the train because the plot demands it[/iurl]
[iurl=#mott]Maybe on the train[/iurl]
[iurl=#pott]Possibly on the train[/iurl]
[iurl=#nefb]No evidence for being on the train, but may show up later[/iurl]

[iurl=#rcoa]Recurring Character Observations and Evaluations [/iurl]
[iurl=#assu]Assumptions [/iurl]
[iurl=#char]Characters[/iurl]
[iurl=#nsii]Not sure if involved yet….[/iurl]

[iurl=#soae]Suspect Observations and Evaluations [/iurl]
[iurl=#gnal]General Notes and Literary References[/iurl]
[iurl=#susp]Suspects[/iurl]

[iurl=#caev]Case Evaluation [/iurl]
[iurl=#wgos]What’s going on? Someone’s room is wrong. [/iurl]
[iurl=#ttii]The train is intentionally set up to make carriage confusion and cabin switching easy. [/iurl]
[iurl=#abtt]About the train[/iurl]
[iurl=#pemo]People’s movements[/iurl]
[iurl=#tacl]The Agasa cabin letter[/iurl]
[iurl=#tmic]The murder in “Cabin 7Bâ€

[Wakarimashita]

Goodness me. ^^