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The best part of this new show is that it confirms what I knew from the start - that Coulson never really died. (That is, unless they resurrected him somehow. This is SHIELD, after all.)
It was never a big secret that he was alive. Wheedon said he was alive like 2 weeks after Avengers premiered in the US.


Also, it was confirmed that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch would be antagonists in Avengers 2.
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GinRei wrote:

Also, it was confirmed that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch would be antagonists in Avengers 2.
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Guardians of the Galaxy is picking up speed. The latest rumor is that the Collector and Ronan the Accuser will be the villains. The first one makes sense cuz the collector is intricately related to Thanos, but the second one is confusing. He has been an FF villain/antihero in late years. So, does Marvel even own the rights to him?? Secondly, as they have introduced the Ultimate version of the Skrulls as the Chitauri, wouldntit be better for them to introduce a new version of the Kree (who are led by Ronan)as well??
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GinRei wrote:
Also, it was confirmed that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch would be antagonists in Avengers 2.
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This is BIG NEWS. This is the sound of the drums of war. See, Kevin Feige said in an interview that both Fox and Marvel had the rights to Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. Now, Singer tweeeted that

Before he was an #Avenger, he was just a REALLY fast kid. Thrilled to say #EvanPeters is joining #XMen #DaysOfFuturePast as #Quicksilver.

Which means continuity is gonna b screwed up. Also, i doubt Marvel SHOULD use him as 1)This is in the 70's when he is a teen so him being in the 20's as Whedon said in an interview will b ruled out (as marvel movies will take place beyond 2013, so quicksilver should b around, i dunno, late 40's.
Why they should (but probably will not use the same version of the character) : I REALLY LOVE the X-men films (as for me X-men will always b greater than the Avengers) but out of the 5 films, only two have been critically acclaimed (X2 and XM:FirstClass) and none of them have been strong earners (they are in the top 150-250 in the Box Office Worldwide grosses, while i feel they should b atleast in the top 25, they are THAT good.). If, however, there is time travel in DOFP, then there is a chance Marvel and Fox can work a deal. If Quicksilver is stranded in the Future, then the story can move along nicely for Avengers 2. Which will mean the 2 cinematic universes will become linked. Which will mean that some of the Marvel MCU fans will probably see it, if it has a tiny mark of prologue to the Avengers on it's poster. But here again there is the problem of the Scarlet witch. How will she fit in?? I am confused. Care to offer your thoughts??? /EndGeekarant.
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Conan-chandesune wrote:Which means continuity is gonna b screwed up.
Only if you stupidly try to fit Fox movies with Marvel movies, which no one should have even tried to do in the first place.
Which will mean the 2 cinematic universes will become linked.
Can be linked != will become linked.
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GinRei wrote:
Conan-chandesune wrote:Which means continuity is gonna b screwed up.
Only if you stupidly try to fit Fox movies with Marvel movies, which no one should have even tried to do in the first place.
Which will mean the 2 cinematic universes will become linked.
Can be linked != will become linked.
I love my Marvel Universe as a whole. Do note i use "if" and "would be" before using "will". Learn to read before trying to correct me. Stuff the know-it-all attitude. You dont know it all. I, however, where Marvel Comics and their properties are concerned do. Not arrogance. Fact. Hard work (or fun, depending upon your POV) in reading decades worth of books. Also, Sony and Marvel tried to make a deal last year, to fit Oscorp in the Avengers and they DID fit Oscorp in the Iron Man 3 game.
Also, most general fans (friends of mine and other people on various non-comic based forums )tend to associate Marvel properties. You and i read comics and know our stuff, but about half of the audience (softcore fans, general audience) in UK and US and almost ALL of the audience in Asia, Russia etc. do not know the difference. Fact.
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Well, this has gotten very rude very fast.

I personally don't link the Fox and Marvel universes. They're running on separate properties with no obligation to respect each other's continuity, so it's likely they won't. The fact is also, when it comes to the X-Men, Fox don't even keep to their own continuity; First Class deliberately ignored the events of X-Men III and Wolverine: Origins, and of course they're making another origin movie for Wolverine this year.

But seriously, worrying about the continuity in comic books is kinda like worrying about the scientific likelihood of the superheroes. They restart, rewrite and cross over universes all the time. So long as the movies are independently enjoyable, I'm satisfied.
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mangaluva wrote:Well, this has gotten very rude very fast.
I'll give you a mature reply.

She started it (being rude and sarcastic, i mean).

Also, Singer said he was gonna fix the inconsistencies using time travel and Wolverine is not an origin story. It's an epilogue to The Last Stand and at the same time, a prequel to DOFP. Also, as i said above with examples, efforts have been made to get them on the same track.
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Psh, you don't have to take everything as an insult. Anyway, they can't just "fix" the continuity, I'd say they should just do a reboot--wait, the worst idea ever

I liked X-men: First Class, didn't care much about the rest of the X-men films. I'm pretty content with the MCU and the Amazing Spiderman atm.
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*walks in and sees a war going on* ._.

If you ask me, in my opinion you should just watch the movies without thinking too much of continuity.(you will only experience a headache if you do)
And if Fox and Marvel movies link together then I'll enjoy it, continuity or not, different worlds or not.
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bluekaitou1412 wrote:Psh, you don't have to take everything as an insult. Anyway, they can't just "fix" the continuity, I'd say they should just do a reboot--wait, the worst idea ever

I liked X-men: First Class, didn't care much about the rest of the X-men films. I'm pretty content with the MCU and the Amazing Spiderman atm.
I dont HAVE TO. I just do. Sorry.
Also, didja watch X2?? Cuz its as good as any MCU movie. Heck, better than half of them.
Kaito Lady wrote:*walks in and sees a war going on* ._.

If you ask me, in my opinion you should just watch the movies without thinking too much of continuity.(you will only experience a headache if you do)
And if Fox and Marvel movies link together then I'll enjoy it, continuity or not, different worlds or not.
I like to call it a statement of facts. Cuz That's what i do, my friend. Hilarious first line tho.
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Conan-chandesune wrote:I love my Marvel Universe as a whole. Do note i use "if" and "would be" before using "will". Learn to read before trying to correct me. Stuff the know-it-all attitude.
You didn't for the first quote. And for the second, you're stating two ifs and concluding with a definite fact, rather than "if these happen, this could happen too", which is all it would be. They can try to make them mesh together better, but it just won't work until they start intertwining in the same way that the Avengers movies do, and they'd be better off not trying that without rebooting the old X-Men movies away. Nothing against them, but they were not made with other movies in mind, and as such should not be force-fit in now.
You dont know it all. I, however, where Marvel Comics and their properties are concerned do. Not arrogance. Fact.
No, pure arrogance. And you really need to knock it off. You can claim to know a lot, or even an astonishing amount, but don't try to claim to know everything. That is pretty much the definition of arrogance (re: an attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or in presumptuous claims or assumptions).
You and i read comics and know our stuff, but about half of the audience (softcore fans, general audience) in UK and US and almost ALL of the audience in Asia, Russia etc. do not know the difference. Fact.
I'll agree with this. However, most also know how there's different versions of Spiderman due to the reboot, different versions of Batman due to the reboot, and different versions of Superman due to the reboot. They won't really bat an eye at this character they don't really know. Especially when no one cared that Human Torch and Captain America were the same actor.
mangaluva wrote:But seriously, worrying about the continuity in comic books is kinda like worrying about the scientific likelihood of the superheroes. They restart, rewrite and cross over universes all the time. So long as the movies are independently enjoyable, I'm satisfied.
That's more of a DC thing. For the most part, Marvel is pretty good about keeping continuity. Partially because they see how pissed fans get at DC for rebooting the universe every 6 years.
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I'm gonna rewatch the X-Men movies soon and see how they hold up. Well, I hope. I always liked them before, but superhero movies have evolved and the standard has been raised quite a bit now. Not sure if that will affect my perception this go 'round (I hope it does not, but hard to say). Let us see!
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GinRei wrote:
Conan-chandesune wrote:I love my Marvel Universe as a whole. Do note i use "if" and "would be" before using "will". Learn to read before trying to correct me. Stuff the know-it-all attitude.
You didn't for the first quote. And for the second, you're stating two ifs and concluding with a definite fact, rather than "if these happen, this could happen too", which is all it would be. They can try to make them mesh together better, but it just won't work until they start intertwining in the same way that the Avengers movies do, and they'd be better off not trying that without rebooting the old X-Men movies away. Nothing against them, but they were not made with other movies in mind, and as such should not be force-fit in now.
You dont know it all. I, however, where Marvel Comics and their properties are concerned do. Not arrogance. Fact.
No, pure arrogance. And you really need to knock it off. You can claim to know a lot, or even an astonishing amount, but don't try to claim to know everything. That is pretty much the definition of arrogance (re: an attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or in presumptuous claims or assumptions).
You and i read comics and know our stuff, but about half of the audience (softcore fans, general audience) in UK and US and almost ALL of the audience in Asia, Russia etc. do not know the difference. Fact.
I'll agree with this. However, most also know how there's different versions of Spiderman due to the reboot, different versions of Batman due to the reboot, and different versions of Superman due to the reboot. They won't really bat an eye at this character they don't really know. Especially when no one cared that Human Torch and Captain America were the same actor.
mangaluva wrote:But seriously, worrying about the continuity in comic books is kinda like worrying about the scientific likelihood of the superheroes. They restart, rewrite and cross over universes all the time. So long as the movies are independently enjoyable, I'm satisfied.
That's more of a DC thing. For the most part, Marvel is pretty good about keeping continuity. Partially because they see how pissed fans get at DC for rebooting the universe every 6 years.
I have to systematically dismantle your claims. AGAIN. ~Sigh~
First, i gave the example about how they already did it for Sony's TASM, did i not?? Why could they not have done it for the X-films?? Especially when the producers of the respective franchises have worked together before. Also, if they were separate, we could at least PRETEND they existed together. That is what i mean by continuity is gonna b screwed up. You were wrong on the second quote, i need not say again.
2)Not pure arrogance. Maybe 5% arrogance. Cuz i have read each and every X-men comic of the main title(s), and most (about 80% averaged) of X-factor, X-force/New Mutants and other X-spinoffs, Each and every title of Spider-man (with obviously, a few hundred issues i couldnt grab physically or digitally. Doesnt matter when compared to the humongous amount of over two thousand issues i HAVE read.) and All of Avengers main title and each and every spinoff starting in the Bendis Era. Not including my near-complete Batman and Jla as well as a giant Superman collection. And my ibook novels of the 90's and other written adaptations. So, can you even come close to it? I think not. I am not overbearing. I simply know stuff. Sorry for knowing stuff, if it makes you feel better.
3) Your point is altogether different from mine. Obviously they know there are different versions, they are not dolts. But these will exist SIMULTANEOUSLY. That's where the confusion will arise.
4)I agree with you there. (Makes a retarded broken clock twice in one day joke.)
Jd- wrote:I'm gonna rewatch the X-Men movies soon and see how they hold up. Well, I hope. I always liked them before, but superhero movies have evolved and the standard has been raised quite a bit now. Not sure if that will affect my perception this go 'round (I hope it does not, but hard to say). Let us see!
You are sure to like X2 and First Class. They set the bar high, as Rotten tomatoes will attest. However, Wolverine Origins sucks real bad. X-men 1 has high concept, but some cringe inducing moments. X3 is the f*** up of two awesome stories with lots of nice scenes and a bit of lack on the high concept subject.
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