Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

[Zerozaki4869]

Is it the same boss, Kor? Maybe this current boss loves the melody while the ex-boss was the crow??

Gosho sort of confirmed that the melody was meant to hint to Karasuma, so... it doesn't really matter. A silly quirk is still a silly quirk. SOMEONE (in universe) was being quirky.
Gosho's also the guy who basically disclosed Sera's and Amuro's roles thanks to the gundam naming scheme. It's not beyond him to go with that Time Is Money anagram for Rum.

Was it? Didn't he say that he had no such intentions at the first place, in the Boss reveal interview?

[blackmoon]

Not sure how many people actually noticed this, but when Conan first met the Akai family on the beach in file 972-974 (anime881-882), Akai mentioned that the 'bruise mark' left under his left eye was done by his 'violent mother,' while there was a similar bruise mark left under Mary's right eye. When Akai attacked the man bullying Conan, he aimed for his right eye with his left hand, which matches with the bruise mark left on her mother.

I'm assuming that if two people aim at and attack the other's eye, a left-handed person would likely damage the other's right eye, while a right-handed person would likely damage the other's left eye.

So... did anyone catch whether Rumi was left-handed or right-handed, and which eye was she having trouble seeing? Could the long scar marks left on her body been done by a sharp edged weapon, such as a scissor, perhaps?

[Zerozaki4869]

If both were right handed, both will damage the other's left eye. Rumi is mostly right handed, on the scars front it's more likely to be made by knives/swords rather than scissors. As wounds inflicted by scissors will be stab wounds, not slash wounds.

[dccd]

Her scars could be caused by a dagger axe.

And her right eye is (most likely) damaged.

[Adel34]

Hard to ignore the hiatuses when you involve the word "date" (plus hiatuses are all we seem to have nowadays so that's also why it's hard to ignore them).
Anywho, you can't really determine something like that based on past arcs because their length has been different from each other.
Vermouth stuff took a bit less than 4.5 years with roughly 200 chapters.
Kir stuff took 2.5 years with a bit over 100 chapters.
Bourbon stuff took a bit over 6.5 years with almost 280 chapters.

Currently we're like 3.5 years into the Rum stuff with exactly 110 chapters.

Now, the latest chapter in the manga had very rushed elements. Once we're out of the current hiatus, we may see if Gosho intends to continue rushing forward (or at least reveal/resolve stuff at a faster pacing), or he'll go back to his slow pacing self. This is probably what may help us determine if Gosho plans on revealing Rum soon or not soon at all.

All of that said, another way that may be of some indication is specific plot beats that repeat between the arcs. In the Bourbon arc for example, you have that big shot in chapter 800 in which you see all the Bourbon suspects being suspicious. 20 and something files later, Bourbon was revealed. We likewise had a similar shot at the end of 1005 with all the Rum suspects, so can it be that Gosho thinks of revealing Rum soon? Maybe, who knows. Until the latest chapter I honestly thought this arc still has a lot to go cause there have been hardly any solid hints about Rum and Wakita hasn't done anything yet besides his intro case. Now... dunno.

So this was a very long answer that's actually an non-answer. Sorry

Thanks for the "non-answer", haha. But it makes sense, it's possible with current circumstances that Rum will be revealed soon. However, I read a few pages from this thread and found out that almost everyone here has a different opinion on Rum stuff. Some people even don't consider any of the suspects to be Rum. Sorry, I'm not up to date with the manga, but I really want to know any BO-related stuff.

I have a question, though - how does Haibara's "BO sense" work? Does it even work anymore? Because if Rumi was Rum, then wouldn't Haibara have her fear attack? (I just watched the latest anime episode).

[Kor]

Thanks for the "non-answer", haha. But it makes sense, it's possible with current circumstances that Rum will be revealed soon. However, I read a few pages from this thread and found out that almost everyone here has a different opinion on Rum stuff. Some people even don't consider any of the suspects to be Rum. Sorry, I'm not up to date with the manga, but I really want to know any BO-related stuff.

Yes, evidently from this thread, there's no consensus about Rum's identity (dunno about other places on the internet). That doesn't necessarily mean much, though. Back during the late 600s/early 700s, there was a foolproof theory with solid evidence that scar Akai is Bourbon and that Okiya is Akai and its solutions had consensus. We still had to wait until chapter 823 for the "official reveal" of Bourbon and wait until chapter 896 for the "official reveal" of Akai.
Personally, I just think Gosho didn't manage to construct the Rum mystery all that well (so far) and there's a lack of actual solid evidence for the time being. Which is why I noted that before the latest file I still expected it to go for a while cause not a lot really happened yet with Rum, even though we're already 100 chapters into this.

I have a question, though - how does Haibara's "BO sense" work? Does it even work anymore? Because if Rumi was Rum, then wouldn't Haibara have her fear attack? (I just watched the latest anime episode).

From a writing perspective, the "BO sense" is a device Gosho created in order to make us be suspicious of nearby characters, while seemingly also letting us know that someone nearby is or was in the BO (even spies like Akai).
However, it won't necessarily get triggered each time she's nearby them. For example in ep 734, Vermouth showed up in a disguise, but Haibara didn't get triggered. So theoretically speaking, Rumi could be (or was) in the BO, but conveniently, Haibara didn't get triggered at her intro case. In a case that hasn't happened yet in the anime, Haibara's "BO sense" will trigger when both Rumi and Kuroda are around. (characters that didn't "trigger" her in the past), so there's still a possibility either of them is or was in the BO (or both of them. I suppose that's also something someone could propose).

So the safest answer is: it works based on how and when Gosho wants it to work. It's both helpful and unhelpful to the readers, cause on the one hand it's designed to misdirect our suspicions and its usage is based on the author's convenience, but on the other hand we may get the idea that someone nearby is or was in the BO, so that's something too. (at least, that'd be the case as long as Gosho doesn't suddenly change the established rules of his own device for whatever reason, cause then that's cheating)

[ArseneLupen]

Sorry for doublepost, but this might need one.

1) I thought "Carasuma" is confirmed as the dying message.
How big of a coincidence would it be if Kohji could relate to both - Rum and the boss of the bo - at the same time with 1 dying message?
Doesnt seem to make much sense.

2) All the glory to Kor and friends since I wouldnt consider Wakita and Chikara being the same person.
While Im comparing pics at google I found this:

Spoiler:

And to be fair: I think the dagger axe-shape can really be seen in the scissor-holding-position.
So: Maybe it ends up both of you actually being right.

PS: And wow... I asked you for a clear "yes or no" and I got this. Its ok, I give up.
PPS: Are your kidding me? No way in the world from an average reader kind of view Wakita is more suspicious then Rumi.
Again: Bo-aura and Bo-list. The whole camping-case. 50% of reddit-readers telling "Rumi is Rum".
How can one deny this?

To 1: It would not be a coincidence if Rum’s surname is also “Carasuma”.

[Adel34]

From a writing perspective, the "BO sense" is a device Gosho created in order to make us be suspicious of nearby characters, while seemingly also letting us know that someone nearby is or was in the BO (even spies like Akai).
However, it won't necessarily get triggered each time she's nearby them. For example in ep 734, Vermouth showed up in a disguise, but Haibara didn't get triggered. So theoretically speaking, Rumi could be (or was) in the BO, but conveniently, Haibara didn't get triggered at her intro case. In a case that hasn't happened yet in the anime, Haibara's "BO sense" will trigger when both Rumi and Kuroda are around. (characters that didn't "trigger" her in the past), so there's still a possibility either of them is or was in the BO (or both of them. I suppose that's also something someone could propose).

So the safest answer is: it works based on how and when Gosho wants it to work. It's both helpful and unhelpful to the readers, cause on the one hand it's designed to misdirect our suspicions and its usage is based on the author's convenience, but on the other hand we may get the idea that someone nearby is or was in the BO, so that's something too. (at least, that'd be the case as long as Gosho doesn't suddenly change the established rules of his own device for whatever reason, cause then that's cheating)

I see. In this case, my guess would be that Aoyama decided to change the course of things based on what happened before. I mean, almost everyone figured out who Bourbon was and whether Shuichi was alive way before he revealed it. Haibara's BO sense helped a lot in this case. He didn't want the readers to figure out Rum so easily and that's why he didn't give many hints.

[K.O.R.N]

I agree that Rum's last name is Karasuma, based on the dying message in Kouji case, and that Karasuma was mentioned again in 1008. Since the former boss could be Renya, it opens up a more solid chance that he promoted Rum to this position, and also that Rum is very close to "boss".

[Kor]

Jumping back to the Daddy Akai thing.

You know how Akai has his hands in his pockets A LOT? He's done that since his introduction. He fired a shotgun while having one of his hands stuffed inside his pocket. Like, he even does that when he's at the beach. The guy's clearly obsessed with his pockets.



You know who also can't keep his hands outside of his pockets? Kuroda. In the two cases he's been primarily featured in, his hands are constantly inside his pockets unless there's an action he needs his hand for.

[kentasaiba]

I think he always keeps them in his pockets because, if he is burned to death, the police can take his fingerprints to check his identity.

[dccd]

Really nice catch.
Even if I dont like it that much, together with the red tea, the beardshape, the "knowing about Conan",
the somehow advanced fighting skills (989 P15), I think we all know what that means.
Still its a close race between him and Wakita.

Btw: The policeguy kinda resembles Wakita/Chikara in a way.

[Kor]

Noticed it just now...

https://dcnewsblogofficial.files.wordpr ... .jpg?w=736
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCtf4BJVEAAw_c6.jpg

Can that color choice really be coincidental? Especially that white tie?

[ArseneLupen]

Noticed it just now...

https://dcnewsblogofficial.files.wordpr ... .jpg?w=736
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCtf4BJVEAAw_c6.jpg

Can that color choice really be coincidental? Especially that white tie?

I have a question, has Akai seen Kuroda in person ?
or a better question,

has someone of the Akai family seen Kuroda in person ?
Sera doesnt count because she never met him.

[dccd]

Nope, not yet.
And btw: The red tea even might hint towards Kurodas british influence.
I think the white tie seals the deal for me personally.

Edit: Siiiick, Kor found Tsutomu^^. Big round of applause.