Kogorous Riddle Thread and eworms Deduction Thread

[lucky777]

Silly theory

Spoiler:

The victim was killed years ago with a broken neck but the culprit also couldn't get out and died as well. The culprit, rotted away first while the victim still remained, leading to what we see now.

Maybe

Spoiler:

The victim was helping the culprit unscrew the door and after it unscrewed smashed his neck so he died. While dragging his body to the centre the pencil fell out and he didn't notice. The culprit took all the equipment outside, which would explain the lack of things, and fixed the door back into place again with the key in lock and things.

TBH i think the lack of things is supposed to encourage us to think that this murder didn't involve any tricks in killing him and it's to divert our attention away from the problem with the locked door.

If not then more questions
Does the victim have any other injuries?
Was death instantaneous?
If not how long was he able to move?
Is there any sort of residue inside the victim?

[M.Holmes]

The locked door is the *only* problem, everything else is irrelevant. I believe he's already said that the victim was murdered with the culprit in the room, so to have the victim lock the door is an impossibility.

[sstimson]

Occam's razor then:

Spoiler:

Culprit breaks victims neck, places key in deadbolt, and exits the room. Lock-pick in hand, he locks the deadbolt from the outside.

Very Well Done and Yep that is what I was thinking. Murderer uses a device from the outside that holds the inside key and turns it.

Again very well done. So for a single step of prints. He walks backwards to make sure he leaves only a single set.

The riddle has been solved but I do not mind answering your questions.

Silly theory

Spoiler:

The victim was killed years ago with a broken neck but the culprit also couldn't get out and died as well. The culprit, rotted away first while the victim still remained, leading to what we see now.

Maybe

Spoiler:

The victim was helping the culprit unscrew the door and after it unscrewed smashed his neck so he died. While dragging his body to the centre the pencil fell out and he didn't notice. The culprit took all the equipment outside, which would explain the lack of things, and fixed the door back into place again with the key in lock and things.

TBH i think the lack of things is supposed to encourage us to think that this murder didn't involve any tricks in killing him and it's to divert our attention away from the problem with the locked door.

If not then more questions
Does the victim have any other injuries?
Was death instantaneous?
If not how long was he able to move?
Is there any sort of residue inside the victim?

Part one does not work because of both being in the room. The murder with both, and it was murder
Part two is part right. The killer simply broke the victim neck by a twist ( you never said I could not have a real strong murderer.)

No other injuries
Yes I believe it might be, but also might take the six minutes to death to happen with the brain not getting any blood.
was Not able to move
Victim was surprised, so no drugs needed

Motive was the empty warehouse. It was suppose be filled with pencils, but the killer stole them. The victim's job was to account for the stores in the company, and as only one has the key that had to be the thief. The killer tried to stop the victim's inspection, but could not. A bad guy would have bad guys tools like our key holder. He made it a locked room to try to prevent be found out. But he left one clue, his fingerprints on the pencil.

[c-square]

Occam's razor then:

Spoiler:

Culprit breaks victims neck, places key in deadbolt, and exits the room. Lock-pick in hand, he locks the deadbolt from the outside.

Very Well Done and Yep that is what I was thinking. Murderer uses a device from the outside that holds the inside key and turns it.

That answer doesn't work.  You said:

The room now has a force field that is active as soon as the inside key is placed in the inside lock

How does the culprit get through the force field to exit the room?
Of course M.Holmes answer is the correct one.  I'm just arguing like sstimson usually does.

[sstimson]

Occam's razor then:

Spoiler:

Culprit breaks victims neck, places key in deadbolt, and exits the room. Lock-pick in hand, he locks the deadbolt from the outside.

Very Well Done and Yep that is what I was thinking. Murderer uses a device from the outside that holds the inside key and turns it.

That answer doesn't work.  You said:

The room now has a force field that is active as soon as the inside key is placed in the inside lock

How does the culprit get through the force field to exit the room?
Of course M.Holmes answer is the correct one.  I'm just arguing like sstimson usually does.

I also said that it was active when the key was in the lock, but I did not say that the key needed to be in a certain location.
you could get out. but after the door was closed and the key in the lock, the force field activates. Also you do know that some
force fields are a matter of mind over matter. In this case the anti thief device was sending out Subliminal waves to prevent the use of mind power on the lock. In other words, it is a force field of the mind.

remember that was a anti force force field so using that kind of control would prevent attacks but to make you feel better. This

The door can open completely 90 degrees inside and out. you could leave the room, then put the key in the door then close the door. but at that point you could not lock it. The locking of the door from the outside is key pardon the pun.

[lucky777]

The most complicated mysteries are often explained by the most simple of things huh.
Just one question, which movie did you see the trick in? I would like to watch it

[sstimson]

There is a series of movies on The Hallmark Movie Channel called "Mystery Woman". I am not sure exactly which one of those movies it was but Philby opened a door with one of these kind of lock picks in that movie..

[MDavid]

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[lucky777]

Well to me the case is fine, just the motive is sort of weird to me. I mean killing someone to steal pencils? And man what a job the killer will have moving box crates full of pencils

[M.Holmes]

I thought the case was well-made. Filled with misdirection from the start (intentional or not). Saying "How about a tough one" in addition to adding in a few unnecessary details makes it easy for one to go and over-think it.

If someone else would like a turn in making one, be my guest!

[sstimson]

Well to me the case is fine, just the motive is sort of weird to me. I mean killing someone to steal pencils? And man what a job the killer will have moving box crates full of pencils

You did not do the math. If each pencil is worth 10 cents and say one pencil size is 1/16 inch by 1/16 in by 1 inch, then how many pencils will fill a area 200 yards by 200 yards by 100 yards?

Spoiler:

There would be 4.7775744 x 10^13 Pencils Worth

4.7775744 trillion U.S. dollars or 3.8147 trillion euros or 380.7249 trillion yen

[M.Holmes]

Well to me the case is fine, just the motive is sort of weird to me. I mean killing someone to steal pencils? And man what a job the killer will have moving box crates full of pencils

You did not do the math. If each pencil is worth 10 cents and say one pencil size is 1/16 inch by 1/16 in by 1 inch, then how many pencils will fill a area 200 yards by 200 yards by 100 yards?

Spoiler:

There would be 4.7775744 x 10^13 Pencils Worth

4.7775744 trillion U.S. dollars or 3.8147 trillion euros or 380.7249 trillion yen

Not sure how you got trillions... My math, assuming that it's 100 yards in all directions (like you originally said) and the pencils are 8 inches long and 1/16 wide, came out to 86,400,000 pencils which would be $8,640,000 if you filled the warehouse to the brim.

Although:

A. The logistics of such a robbery would be a nightmare

B. Once you had the pencils, how would you sell them? It's not like you can move them on the streets like drugs or get some retail store to buy from you

[sstimson]

Well to me the case is fine, just the motive is sort of weird to me. I mean killing someone to steal pencils? And man what a job the killer will have moving box crates full of pencils

You did not do the math. If each pencil is worth 10 cents and say one pencil size is 1/16 inch by 1/16 in by 1 inch, then how many pencils will fill a area 200 yards by 200 yards by 100 yards?

Spoiler:

There would be 4.7775744 x 10^13 Pencils Worth

4.7775744 trillion U.S. dollars or 3.8147 trillion euros or 380.7249 trillion yen

Not sure how you got trillions... My math, assuming that it's 100 yards in all directions (like you originally said) and the pencils are 8 inches long and 1/16 wide, came out to 86,400,000 pencils which would be $8,640,000 if you filled the warehouse to the brim.

Although:

A. The logistics of such a robbery would be a nightmare

B. Once you had the pencils, how would you sell them? It's not like you can move them on the streets like drugs or get some retail store to buy from you

I got trillions like this first to make things a cubic inch has 265 Pencils .Yes I could have used real pencils, but I want to make the problem easier and so make each pencil an inch long so 8 times you number

Second 100 yards in all directions from where. The Center.that means you double the depth, and lenght. As the pencil is siting on the ground the height measurement stays the same. The size of the warehouse should be 200 ( 100 right, 100 left ) by 200 (100 face, 100 back) by 100 Yards. Understand now?

[M.Holmes]

Didn't know you meant from the center.

Volume of warehouse = 600*600*300 = 108,000,000 cubic feet= 1,296,000,000 cubic inches

Volume of pencil = 1.3 cubic inches (approximation)

1,296,000,000/1.3 = 996,923,077 pencils

996,923,077*.10 = $99,692,307.70 USD


A nice chunk of cash, but selling roughly 1 billion pencils would be quite the challenge!

[lucky777]

Alright mind if I post one?

Spoiler:

Japan was at the grips of a serial killer. The tabloids named him the "Ghost strangler" for all the killer only appears in cold dark nights. All the serial killer's victims died of asphyxiation, yet there is no indication as to what actually strangled the poor victims. No marks, scratches or bruises were found on the neck. All the victims had heavy bone damage round the back of the head, had they not died of asphyxiation they most likely would have died from the injuries. Money and other expensive goods were taken from the victims. Reports of eye witnesses claim they saw a man with a suitcase.

A call came to the police reporting another victim. This time however, there were sights of the culprit and it seems they went to the public toilet.
"Alright! Units move to the public toilet in the city park!" ordered inspector Megure.
Surrounded and armed, Megure smiled. "How many people will go to the public toilet at night with suitcases? We got our killer."
"Inspector!!" Megure turned to see Detective Takagi sprinting to him. "There's three people in there, and well they all have suitcases!"
"WHAT!!" Megure couldn't believe his luck, especially when he spotted Kogorou and his family approaching him. "Shinigami, indeed."

After filling in Kogorou (and conan) about the case the 3 suspects came out of the toilet cubicle and their suitcases were examined.

Suspect 1 the inside the suitcase was wet and empty except for crumpled paper, which was also wet. "I accidentally dropped it in the water fountain(there is a fountain in the park), so it got wet. My reason for the use of the toilet was that I wanted to dry my suitcase and I needed a place to sit down."
Takagi passed suspect 1 suitcase to the forensics and placed suspect 2 suitcase on the dry table.
Suspect 2 had a suitcase filled with papers and a frozen sausage. "I brought this earlier at the local shop. I wanted to save some plastic as I didn't want to contribute to pollution, so I stuck it in my suitcase. I normally use public toilets as it's more environmentally friendly.
Again Takagi passed the suitcase away and placed down suspect 3 suitcase on the table.
Suspect 3 had a bunch of knives in his suitcase. "I was planning to sell the knives, but I didn't manage to sell any. Can't a guy just use the toilet when he needs to?"

A weapon was found nearby, a small metal pipe coated in the victim's blood except near the bottom, no fingerprints were on it.

So mysteries to explain:
How did the killer commit the crime?
Who is the killer? And what proof is points to him?