Detective Conan 705-706 (Conan Inside a Locked Room - Bourbon Figures it Out) Discussion Thread

[LucarioPK]

Oh damn, I thought it was fair game. Next time I won't. Sorry Slider, I love your music btw

[k11chi]

Thanks, I'll edit it, Puto.

EDIT: By the way, what is everyone's opinion on the new art style? It seems like they've been using thicker lines for close-ups for a few episodes now. Personally, I like it, but I can see why somebody might not.

One thing I DON'T like is the black blood, though. Doesn't change the fact that it's a crime scene. :/

Meh they have to take into consideration the massive amounts of people watching the show, just think that the blood has dried up so it's turned black or dark red and there's no problem

[Kudo Shinchi]

BOURBON IS BACK.

I personally love the setup Gosho has here, especially because nothing like it has ever happened before in any DC story arc. Usually after the identities are revealed everything returns mostly to normal until the next threat comes along. By keeping Bourbon around, frequent plot development is practically guaranteed. Also, this increases the suspense because Conan has to be careful not to mess up in front of Bourbon. Its the first time a BO member has ever been this close to him on a daily basis, and Conan can't even say anything about Amuro's identity to anyone (aside from the obvious) so he's stuck. It's a great setup, one that opens endless possibilities. I hope Gosho utilizes it well.

I find it interesting Bourbon played tennis when he was younger. If he had time for such leisurely activity, he might have had a mostly normal childhood, strange for someone apparently raised in the Org. I think this is going to come up again later. Also, Bourbon completely freaked out when the tennis racket hit Conan. I think that's a hint that his promise with Vermouth involves keeping Conan safe. It would explain his actions as Scar Akai at the bank as well.

Also, yay for another locked room mystery. I'm a sucker for those kind of cases, for some reason. especially because they're basically always good.

[shinichi'sapprentice]

did the culprit use ice?
i'm making a big deal out of the victim lying straight on his back...
my primary suspect is the 22 year old university student for the reason: he's the first one to suggest that they check the victim through the balcony.. though that's just my circumstantial evidence..

if there's an award for always knowing who will die in the episode, i got it!
why is that so much easier than trying to figure out who the culprit is..

[DetectiveKir]

I love how every time we see Bourbon, we get a different piece of his character and past to build on. It's like a puzzle

[k11chi]

did the culprit use ice?
i'm making a big deal out of the victim lying straight on his back...
my primary suspect is the 22 year old university student for the reason: he's the first one to suggest that they check the victim through the balcony.. though that's just my circumstantial evidence..

if there's an award for always knowing who will die in the episode, i got it!
why is that so much easier than trying to figure out who the culprit is..

Well remember how fast they found the body, there should be water marks there when the ice melts, well some wikipediasurfing would fix that if you know what to look for

Yea you're right about the people getting murdered most of the time which is my main reason I want to see the next Heiji case and fast, hopefully there's no fillerfest

[DetectiveKir]

I'm still trying to figure out the reason the culprit turned off the Ac, because that reason should reveal the killer and the way the crime was done.

I say this because

1. The killer went through the risk of turning off the Ac, even after knowing a sudden temperature change would potentially wake up Conan, a potential witness. So that leads me to believe that the Ac was essential to his trick.

Maybe there was evidence that needed to be retrieved from inside the ice cream cake itself, and the culprit used the heat to destroy the evidence that the cake was tampered with. Or maybe it was the opposite, the killer killed him before he ever got a chance to eat the cake, and the killer anticipated that his friends would expect the cake to have been eaten, since he announced it publicly. So he melted the cake away, so people wouldn't suspect that he was killed before he ever got a chance to eat it, which would mean that he most likely died before going into the room. Makes sense if you consider that it becomes much harder to recognize whether an ice creame cake has been eaten at all, after all it's contents have been melted.

[dumytru]

Maybe there was evidence that needed to be retrieved from inside the ice cream cake itself, and the culprit used the heat to destroy the evidence that the cake was tampered with.

What kind of evidence?
He/she would have just disposed the cake somewhere.

I think the cake is just a hint to Conan/viewers that the temperature was high in the room and that the AC was turned off on purpose, since it was on when Conan went to sleep.

Or maybe it was the opposite, the killer killed him before he ever got a chance to eat the cake, and the killer anticipated that his friends would expect the cake to have been eaten, since he announced it publicly. So he melted the cake away, so people wouldn't suspect that he was killed before he ever got a chance to eat it, which would mean that he most likely died before going into the room. Makes sense if you consider that it becomes much harder to recognize whether an ice creame cake has been eaten at all, after all it's contents have been melted.

You say he was murdered somewhere else and then carried in the room? Interesting! That's certainly a possibility.
But I don't think the culprit turned the AC off just so that the cake would melt down.

There's a change no one would even notice the cake, and eventually the cake would melt, making the whole thing worthless.

Water has been found in the fallen vase, right? And the Next Conan Hint is a plastic bottle?
I have no idea what it means right know.
Oh well.

[Adel34]

I wouldn't be surprised if the vase was standing on that cake just to fall on that guy's head right in time. We've had similar cases before.

[Commi-Ninja]

Why do Haibara still asking who is Subaru, don't she confirm that Okiya could be Dai Moroboshi

She didn't manage to get his scarf off back in Froth, Steam, and Smoke which would have confirmed her suspicions. Now that she knows Okiya is an ally, she is probably stalking him, waiting for the right moment to suddenly undress him.

So many comments, so little time.

I haven't seen the episode yet (I'm waiting on the download), and for whatever reason, I don't remember the case. I'm sure it'll come back once I watch it, though.

[Haine]

I still haven't figured what is the ice-cream cake turn there but I feel that the culprit might have hurt conan for reason or the culprit didn't expect a boy to be hurt and come to the house.
If the culprit wanted to hurt a boy (conan but he choose the wrong one ) intentionally and bring them to there house to witness that the room was locked but somehow the culprit can kill him without being there ...
When ran and sonoko went to give conan food the AC was still on and under the body there is tennis racket maybe is something that helped the culprit to move the body .
my first suspect is the women who hurt conan kotone I thing ?
1-she is the reason why conan is there now !
2-The hint " pet bottle "the only one in the episode who hold one is kotone (minute 12) there is no other idea about the hint
3- the house is her's and she knows it the best ..... why was the AC off in the first floor and conan has to go to the second floor to sleep .
my second suspect is the man why did he immediately say that they should check from the window instead from trying to open the door.
anyway this episode was good one who thought that bourbon is tennis player xD.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Maybe there was evidence that needed to be retrieved from inside the ice cream cake itself, and the culprit used the heat to destroy the evidence that the cake was tampered with.

What kind of evidence?
He/she would have just disposed the cake somewhere.

I think the cake is just a hint to Conan/viewers that the temperature was high in the room and that the AC was turned off on purpose, since it was on when Conan went to sleep.

Or maybe it was the opposite, the killer killed him before he ever got a chance to eat the cake, and the killer anticipated that his friends would expect the cake to have been eaten, since he announced it publicly. So he melted the cake away, so people wouldn't suspect that he was killed before he ever got a chance to eat it, which would mean that he most likely died before going into the room. Makes sense if you consider that it becomes much harder to recognize whether an ice creame cake has been eaten at all, after all it's contents have been melted.

You say he was murdered somewhere else and then carried in the room? Interesting! That's certainly a possibility.
But I don't think the culprit turned the AC off just so that the cake would melt down.

There's a change no one would even notice the cake, and eventually the cake would melt, making the whole thing worthless.

Water has been found in the fallen vase, right? And the Next Conan Hint is a plastic bottle?
I have no idea what it means right know.
Oh well.

This qualifies a hint about what is important about the cake so spoilers. It's nothing too major, but it should get you thinking in the right direction.

Spoiler:

The important part is how the guy managed to eat an ice cream cake that he left in his room all day. Except for the little bit left on the plate, the box and plate are not messy.

[dumytru]

Uh , no matter how much I think about this I can't really figure out anything.

One can't really eat an icecake and leave the plate so clean afterwards.
Unless either he didn't ate it, or there was something like a chocolate layer at the bottom of the cake, or he somehow wiped the plate (which is absurd).

And that shapeless material, what could it be?
Liquids and gases are obviously shapeless.

Hey, DetectiveKir, say something

[DetectiveKir]

Maybe there was evidence that needed to be retrieved from inside the ice cream cake itself, and the culprit used the heat to destroy the evidence that the cake was tampered with.

What kind of evidence?
He/she would have just disposed the cake somewhere.

I think the cake is just a hint to Conan/viewers that the temperature was high in the room and that the AC was turned off on purpose, since it was on when Conan went to sleep.

Or maybe it was the opposite, the killer killed him before he ever got a chance to eat the cake, and the killer anticipated that his friends would expect the cake to have been eaten, since he announced it publicly. So he melted the cake away, so people wouldn't suspect that he was killed before he ever got a chance to eat it, which would mean that he most likely died before going into the room. Makes sense if you consider that it becomes much harder to recognize whether an ice creame cake has been eaten at all, after all it's contents have been melted.

You say he was murdered somewhere else and then carried in the room? Interesting! That's certainly a possibility.
But I don't think the culprit turned the AC off just so that the cake would melt down.

There's a change no one would even notice the cake, and eventually the cake would melt, making the whole thing worthless.

Water has been found in the fallen vase, right? And the Next Conan Hint is a plastic bottle?
I have no idea what it means right know.
Oh well.

This qualifies a hint about what is important about the cake so spoilers. It's nothing too major, but it should get you thinking in the right direction.

Spoiler:

The important part is how the guy managed to eat an ice cream cake that he left in his room all day. Except for the little bit left on the plate, the box and plate are not messy.

That's interesting, I'm about to re watch the episode, because that question is also emphasized by his action earlier in the episode. He was the one who proposed a 2 vs 2 tennis match, so he was willing to give up about another hour with the cake in the room. That means either he forgot about it, or he had no fear of it melting.

[dumytru]

He left the cake in his room or did he left it in the fridge
?

If the cake was in his room then we have to figure out why it hadn't melt down.