Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

[Mohamed Ebrahem]

There is a fourth hidden suspect , Zero . I can confirm that
In the case of the chapters 906 907 908 , three men have one of three description of RUM and the murderer was not one of them .
As vaibhavgupte mention , In Asaka song case , they were three suspects who look like the main suspects to Rum and the murderer also wasn't one of them .

See these three panels :

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[vaibhavgupte]

There is a fourth hidden suspect , Zero . I can confirm that
In the case of the chapters 906 907 908 , three men have one of three description of RUM and the murderer was not one of them .
As vaibhavgupte mention , In Asaka song case , they were three suspects who look like the main suspects to Rum and the murderer also wasn't one of them .

See these three panels :

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can you plz translate from arabic to english what are
you inferring from second and third pictures.
bdw if we believe professor agasa cheated and there was
a fourth suspect , then along with chikara ,
dont you think iori is also a valid suspect

[vaibhavgupte]

I think the very fact that so many things could be pointed out towards Iori being Rum, makes him more of a red herring.

red herrings are when its spotted obviously.
like subaru drinking bourbon.
but the fact like in nagano snowy mountains
case where rum was mentioned , here
the culprit is muga iori lookalike ,even his eyebrows.
this fact wasnt spotted by anybody so far.
so how is that a red herring.

[Mohamed Ebrahem]

There is nothing important in translation , vaibhavgupte
As for the first photo : There is a fourth dish which is free from the skull drawing , and this indicates that there will be a fourth suspect without suspicious acts .

As for the second photo, Conan on the cover looks at the Joker card , and Kogoro hold a card has number 4 with the Joker paper next to it .

As for the third photo: There is a person who appeared in a very large panel in chapter 1005 if I remember well , but we did not see his face for some reason and this person was following the news that says Kudo Shinchi is alive , I mean this is Goshu's habit when he really wants Hiding a person’s identity from us but he refers to it in a difficult way to notice , so this is my intention when saying there is a fourth hidden suspect .

As for Iori Moga , I think without much evidence that he is womenly man who is subordinate to RUM but not RUM himself , because if his age is correct , then your theory will be in trouble vaibhavgupte If you really think that he is Rum . I do not think Goshu would appear RUM in movie 21 With that easy , simple and clear way . And also , as Zerozaki said , we do not yet know whether his eye is artificial or not .
I don't remember whether Haibara met Iori Muga in movie 21 or not , did you see her reaction in movie 20 when she met Curacao ? I think she should do that reaction more severely if she mets Iori Muga , if he really is RUM .

[Reader]

My very very brief logical explanation of who Rum is.
We know that Rum is second in command.
It is also a fact (stated somewhere in the earlier files) that BO is an international organization.
Now consider any organization. Look at it's co founder or vice president (second in command). They don't indulge themselves in small issues. And that to, if it is a gangsta organisation than that person won't go spying anyone or disguising oneself when there are less important members for that.

If Rumi is Rum, she/he has no reason to disguise as a school teacher in elementary (!) school.
If wakita is Rum, she/he has no reason to disguise as a chef in some low key restaurant.
So, Kuroda is Rum.
Kuroda's post is too important and it won't be easy to stay disguised on that post for long. It will be highly difficult even for bourbon's standard. Only Rum (being the second in command) should be able to pull it off.

[vaibhavgupte]

lets start my rum theory.
This theory starts with foreshadowing part and then
for evidence part, most of evidence are already
given in this forum. I will just add some points in this part.

Now after seeing three rum supects lookalikes appear
in song named asaca case , I was sure that in some case
regarding rum there was a culprit who hinted towards
rum suspects.


Foreshadowing part:
lets start with department store stabbing case
(manga files 939 -941)
Now this was the case in which it was inferred that
3 descrpitions could be refer a single person.
since the culprit who stabbed a guy had 3 descriptions.
and ultimately those 3 descriptions pointed to a single
person.
so this has to hint about rum where his three desciptions point out to single person.
now a consider a rum suspect ( though not among three)
that is Muga Iori, we have two decriptions of rum
from him which we have seen.
he is feminine looking obviously.
we saw in crimson school trip case that he is pretty strong.
now remains third description about him : old man.

Now MeiTanteixX from this forum has already made
a very brilliant theory about muga iori
from which right now I will just take
this part of old man useful for this foreshadowing.
I will give reference to his theory in the evidence part.
regarding old man iori , MeiTanteixX concludes
that iori has blonde hair similar to his light coloured eyebrows. this makes him old looking as japanese people generally dont have blonde hair.

So with this coming back to department store stabbing
case , the culprit who actually stabbed victim
had 3 descriptions ( Its logical to think that this guy somehow hint to some specific feature of rum)
culprit had originally black long hair and changed
hair colour to blonde hair colour.
so this guy is hinting that rum may have a changed
hair colour .
Now this hair colour change feature can has evidence currently in two rum supects: iori and kuroda.
so you will ask why doesnt he refer to kuroda??

Now come to cafe poirot case (manga 981-983).
now see the culprit of this case .he looks identical to
culprit of 939-941 case with 3 descriptions.
gosho hardly does the character repeat thing.
and guess what again this culprit is blonde hair.
and guess what this is again a stabbing case like the
939-941 case and in both stabbing cases victim survives.
there is big parallel between these 2 cases means that culprit from 939-941 hinted towards
a character introduced in its parallel case 981-983.
this introduced character is Muga Iori whom
gosho is hinting to have blonde hair and with it
3 description feature is completed.

now this foreshadowing only suggests that Muga Iori
is person with 3 descriptions similar to 939-941.
since only other person with 3 description
in rum arc is rum. its logical to guess muga iori is rum.

but lets come to a more concrete foreshadowing .
lets come to a big case .In nagano snowy mountains case
(1027-1031) , conan asks bourbon, do you know rum.
now what was need of asking bourbon there in nagano.
gosho wanted a foreshadowing here.
just look at culprit of this case.
he is resembling muga iori.
just look at him( long curly hair and light eyebrows and
same face shape as iori).
this pretty much is solid foreshadowing for me to believe
Rum is muga iori. All these
resemblance can not be coincidence.

Evidence part regarding Muga Iori in next post.

#correction : the resemblance between 939 -941 and
981-983 , hair dying case, has been already been
shown by MeiTanteixX .

# see theory of MeiTanteixX about Iori Muga on page 10, page 24 and page 36 of this rum discussion thread.
absolutely mind blowing

continuing the rum theory
first check MeiTanteixX's post about muga iori on page
10 , page 24 and page 36.
also check my post to which I am replying
this theory has four parts.
A)some more foreshadowings
B)evidence
C)appearance / physical traits/ age
D)author's perspective

lets start with foreshadowings adding to the post I am replying.
A) foreshadowing:
1) Now we know files 939-941 (rum analogy case)
and files 981-983 ( cafe poirot muga iori introduction)
have many parallels.
another major parallel is the christmas preparation.
in file 939 you can see santa claus
and in 983 ginza christmas lights.
the only other christmas remark in this arc is guess when??
in file 1008 ,
just before bourbon receives message from
rum for first time at poirot cafe,
azusa asks amuro about christmas prepration.
now who was introduced when last time christmas was mentioned : muga iori.
#and where was he introduced ?
yup at same place bourbon gets message from rum:
#cafe poirot
and both days were cloudy days.

2)now the second and only other time bourbon receives
message from rum is in next case: black bunny club case.
(1009 to 1012). so here again rum is hinted.
and guess who is culprit : " The buttler"
and his master's name is morooka sounding similar
to iori's master ooka.
but his master was innocent and was wasnt involved in crime.
so this hints that his master aleast momiji isnt involved in bo. she is just used by him. dont know about
whole Ooka family in general are they bo??

3)now many people say okay in SDB plus Q92 gosho says
that rum is one of three official suspects.
note that he doesnt say this in regular gosho talk day or
in story itself. like in bourbon arc the suspects where confined by the story itself by vermouth asking on phone
one of the suspects now that you have gained the trust of
team conan , we can now start mission sherry.
( in detective's nocturne case)
in rum arc no such thing.
in fact we have many hints that he has tricked.
as mohamed ebrahem said that agasa tricked with the
skulls just before rum was mentioned first time.
and he tricked by swapping one of rum description:
feminine man to female.
haibara said a rum description is feminine man not female
so gosho tricked us by swapping iori and rumi.
and most important thing here
genta says this is " cheating" and
subaru replies " once seen through
most tricks are exactly ( cheat)
so gosho cheated by clearly lying like agassa .
but he kept his credibility by hinting here that he will cheat.

4) now lets put final nail in coffin in terms of ultimate
foreshadowing.
lets come to nagano snowy mountains case again
( 1027-1031).
" in this case conan asks amuro do you know rum"
sorum's mentioned.
the case starts with two cards as mohamed ebrahem showed . two cards namely joker and four.
this means that joker in rum arc is 4th suspect.

Now the big question is fourth suspect who??
"katsumata or iori"
here's the answer.
I already mentioned that culprit here looked like iori.
but what the culprit did pretty much cemented that
its iori and not katsumata.
"The culprit (iori lookalilke) does a trick like agasa skull trick"
he takes three mint boxes and says only is filled with mint
and asks people to pick one by one and he takes last
and it is filled , how??
truth is "all three were empty" and he brought an effect
that box is filled by "shaking another mint box hidden" in sleeve.
so this clears it all three rum suspects are empty
i.e. not rum
and that hidden mint box is iori .since iori lookalike performed this trick.

Now how gosho highlighted this fact?
now kogoro i said to have knowledge of knowing the loosing card ,in this case the filled box.
but kogoro said that none of the boxes gave
" Dangerous Feeling"
this was exactly heading of thar chapter 1031
" Dangerous Feeling". so none of three rum suspects
are dangerous i.e. rum (since rum is mentioned in this case)

also wakita mentioned nine tailed fox in this case
who is a cunning fox who takes the form of
beautiful woman according to japanese folklore.
so muga iori is that fox who isnt woman but takes
form of "beautiful woman"

[Zerozaki4869]

Gosho said in an interview that Rum is one among the three.
So that's that.
Not everything is a foreshadowing.....
If that's the case then Rum is Kuroda cause in Hatoyama farm case the culprit took a disguise of like Kuroda.
In the previous case the manager (the culprit)+Kuroda (Amuro's manager) was the one while Remi+Yumi=Rumi and the chef=Wakita was innocent.

[Reader]

Why Rum has to be a butler out of all things?

[vaibhavgupte]

Gosho said in an interview that Rum is one among the three.
So that's that.
Not everything is a foreshadowing.....
If that's the case then Rum is Kuroda cause in Hatoyama farm case the culprit took a disguise of like Kuroda.
In the previous case the manager (the culprit)+Kuroda (Amuro's manager) was the one while Remi+Yumi=Rumi and the chef=Wakita was innocent.

okay but in a case in which rum is mentioned,
nangano snowy mountains case
the serial killer who is iori lookalike takes three
mint boxes and asks to chose among one .
in truth all three mint boxes and
the filled mint box is 4th hidden under his sleeve .
since " rum is mentioned " in this case, its
this is speaking too much for itself that
the three mint boxes ( rum suspects) are empty.
and the rum is fourth hidden mint box in sleeve of
iori lookalike culprit

yes I agree that that takashi nanbu, culprit of hatoyama farm looks like kuroda but just a bit .his features are different . he isnt huge.
on the other hand see at iori lookalike in nagano
snowy mountains case .he is almost identical to iori
even his eyebrows and hair curls.
plus in nagano snowy mountains rum himself was mentioned as impatient.
in hatoyama ,karasuma was mentioned not rum.
only rumi being rum suspect was mentioned.

I am taking foreshadowing only from rum mentioned
or rum messaging cases.
plus in nagano snowy mountains,
nine tailed fox was mentioned who is cunning
fox disguised as beautiful woman.

Gosho said in an interview that Rum is one among the three.
So that's that.
Not everything is a foreshadowing.....
If that's the case then Rum is Kuroda cause in Hatoyama farm case the culprit took a disguise of like Kuroda.
In the previous case the manager (the culprit)+Kuroda (Amuro's manager) was the one while Remi+Yumi=Rumi and the chef=Wakita was innocent.

regarding interview I think gosho made a straight lie.
he cheated by swapping feminine man suspect iori
with female wakasa.
similarly agasa cheated with 4 skulls at start of rum arc.
and subaru mentions " every trick is cheating
once you see through it"
plus this cheating was only in interview SDB black plus Q92
nowhere in manga rum suspects are confined to three
like bourbon arc.
this cheating in rum arc will still maintain gosho's credibility
since he already told us at start of rum arc he is going
to trick us. and okiya equates trick to cheating.
so gosho hinted about this trickery

Why Rum has to be a butler out of all things?

you think rum should be high rank so should
have high authority . yes thats true .
but directly he shouldnt have high authority .
since bo is hidden org.
and just think who has more authority kuroda or iori.
its iori. he summons governor of tokyo for no reason.
see kendo tournament case
doesnt this comply with bo nexus with corrupt politicians.
bo killed corrupt politcian shigehiko nomiguchi in pisco case and targeted to be diet member yasuteru domon in
kir introduction case.
plus tokyo governor if is in control of iori then
top corrupt police officials will also be in control.

iori is controlling momiji and thus indirectly controlling
officials
.I will explain this in evidence part.
beleive me iori has much more power than kuroda.

if you think he wastes time in menial job for momiji
then kuroda also wastes some time in solving cases as
a police many of which unrelated to bo

okay .now lets see the evidence part of muga iori is rum. this refers to events regarding rum which have happened in current timeline.

just check MeiTanteixX theory on muga iori.
page 10 ,24 and 36 of this thread.
also he has iori theories on tumblr.

in this evidence column we dont have absolutely anything against katsumata since he hasnt been seen doing anything out of way just yet.

B) evidence against iori :
1) The biggest evidence against iori is "timing" of
rum's first message to bourbon in file 1008
" I demand information on shinichi kudo".
this message didnt come when the rumour regarding
shinichi being alive was created in file 1006
or when it was growing .
the mesage to bourbon came came at a crucial point
when actually rumour stopped when heiji said
" that guy in kyoto wasnt shinichi and was okita soshi"
logically the only person who would get suspicious at this
point is the one who knows that shinichi isnt okita soshi
and by seeing this lie he thought to investigate.
who knows both shinichi and okita both in rum suspects?
iori.
2) Also why gin and vodka werent doing such a thing.
( although gin doesnt remember people he killed
vodka remembers). since kudo is their responsibility.
they definitely did that maybe they summoned wakita ( rat) from bo at kudo house ( his timing is before rum message)
but as soon as mesage came that he wasnt kudo shinichi,
wakita , Gin , Vodka and others became relax and
no other rum suspects from there on have done anything
indirection of kudo.
only rum who knows kudo isnt okita knows something is fishy here and you can see iori is the only one who is
still after shinichi in lover code case.
this takes us to third evidence.
3)Its unrealistic that buttler of momiji who ensures her safety at all costs didnt read news that a guy shinichi
whom momiji met at kyoto was supposed to be dead
and it was concluded that it was okita in tv.
since if it was doppelganger momiji safety could be in danger.
if iori is normal buttler wouldnt he see something fishy here
and ask directly ran or heiji about this.
why does he just prefers to keep pretending that he didnt
read the news and doesnt know shinichi shouldnt be alive
and inlover code case thus thinks that shinichi is alive.
4) now people will ask same with momiji she also is pretending that she hasnt read the news and thinks shinichi
is alive. here I think that she really hasnt read the news
as in lover code case we can see proof she asks iori
about a news about a ship occuring at that place once in a year.
this suggests that iori could easily manipulate news and facts for momiji and thus use her power for bo motives.
5) now someone may say isnt momiji herself great
detective, cant she figure this out.
truth is that I think iori momiji pair is like conan
sleepibg kogoro.
the proof is again seen in lovee code case where
momiji tells conan that iori saw expression on his face change and thus he may have got case solution on
phone from shinichi.
even if momiji is supposed to be great detective iori
actually noticed this.
thus telling iori is much better than momiji and can
manipulate her.
6) also note that iori was spying on conan as he was
getting message from kudo shinichi. so there was his attention.
plus since he observed conans expressions he can soon figure out he is shinichi.
but this we cant tell since we dont know how much
knowlwdge rum has regarding shrinking.
since we know vermoutg kept shrinking hidden from boss.

other evidence as MTX pointed are:
7)he has british influence ( shown in 981)
this is why he writes "time is money" in english
8) he measures time in seconds so impatient
9) he is connected to haneda family

Third part of muga iori is rum theory.
first see the first two parts foreshadowing and evidence
lets see compare appearance / physical traits and age of iori to rum.
part C:
1) His design is very similar to curacao. rum's right hand.
just look at his two specific mascara lines on out er side of his eyes . same as curacao.
2) Its obvious that muga iori is very feminine looking
and strong. note in the translation I read rum's one
characteristic was of strong man and not strongly built man.
3)Regarding old man MTX has already explained that
judging from his eyebrow colour .he has dyed his hair black
this is also evident from first part of foreshadowing
explained. his original hair colour is light. whitish or blonde
also that in movie 21 guideline it was told that he was supposed to be designed as old man first
(note although for movie, its canon character designed
fully by gosho).
4) AGE: a)this point that he was supposed to be old man tells that his age could be higher. like MTX suggested
satami saya from actress vlogger case had 5 years more age. also same with subaru okiya.
b) another possibility is that he doesnt age like vermouth
but still doesnt know about shrinking
actually happening by aptx since its different thing.
c) another possibility regarding age is that he wasnt number two at that time and he was smaller agent who got promoted.
d) RUM codename was given to him after rum died
and he isnt actually number two. this is very less likely.
basically I dont know about his age being less but these are possibilities.
6)if he is blonde . he will look similar with vermouth and gin.
7)##he is wearing bo clothes all along without disguise lol.
when he is revealed rum it will be the moment . it was
right in front but couldnt see.
8) # prosthetic eyeball:
according to the translation I read haibara says he has
prosthetic eyeballs .
so that means there has to be eyeballs . that means
people with gone eyes are out . like yamato
kuroda's eyes were shown through glasses .they look gone
to me. if that verified. kuroda is out
also a person with prostgetic eye wouldnt hide his eye
since the prosthetic eye is put for sole purpose of looking
good. nop point if you arent wearing it.
so kanenori's chances also drop.
his only chance is that if he has given his prosthetic eye
for replacement.
rumi wakasa could definotely have prosthetic but looks
red herring depending on how many times its shown.

Now regarding muga's eyes people say they look normal.
see moving eyeballs is also possible in prosthetic upto
some extent. so if moves eyeballs its still ok. as
far as I searched.
although he cant see from that eye.
but one characteristic of prosthetic is that you
that eye cabt respond to light like the other.
so the eyeballs can differ in size slightly.
which is evident. but this is subjective to anyone.
also his one eyeball structure has more blurred so it could be prosthetic.
the point is although you cant surely say whether he has prosthetic atleast its not possible to completely discard this idea as prosthetic eyeballs can be moved. check

here's the last part of muga iori is rum theory.
also check previous three parts.
and se MeiTanteixX muga iori theory on
page 10, page 24 and page 36 of this thread.
he also puts iori theories on his tumblr account.
the link is given below to MeiTanteixX's post.

D) authors perspective :
this segment shows that if muga iori is rum.
how much significance was already associated to it
going by writer perspective.
1) Muga iori featured in the most important and most
beautiful in rum arc that is crimson school trip case.
files 1000-1005. in this case manga files reached magical 1000 figure.
you will say that all 3 rum suspects were also there.
but they were just sitting.
muga got to shine by kicking tengu.
obviously author would like to include such a character
in such an important case.
2) another case celebrating gosho's 30 years of drawing:
kendo tournament case
muga iori got his presence in all 4 chapters in his case.
3) he got to appear alongside onimaru who is gosho's
yaiba series lead antagonist.
here muga iori says onimaru is like demon.
iori himself is modelled on sebastian of black butler
(kuroshisuji) who was a demon.
so bascially had an antagonist meet in his 30 year
celebration case as mangaka.
4)he is buttler of ooka family who is just 3rd after karasuma
and suzuki. powerful and prestigious position.
5)Iori being rum could be gosho's way of making
heiji hattori main bo plot relate character near the end.
coz heiji being shinichi's best friend and popular himself
has to be in this final confrontation.
coz unlike kaito , heiji doesnt have his own manga lol.
6)iori significantly appeared on friday the 13th and
butsumetsu. two bad days together.
also at start of his introduction case it was written:
"Inviting dark fate, new case begins"
and at end of case when iori was shown.
in next issue ran's loved one is in trouble.
although next case was for eri kisaki.
these words meant shinichi is in trouble.
which he actually is as iori observes him.

[Kor]

I've merged all of your consecutive posts cause there isn't much of a reason for posting 3-6 posts in a row instead of just one.

1) Muga iori featured in the most important and most
beautiful in rum arc that is crimson school trip case.
files 1000-1005. in this case manga files reached magical 1000 figure.
you will say that all 3 rum suspects were also there.
but they were just sitting.

Karasuma didn't do a whole lot in chapter 300 either (well, he didn't do anything at all besides being a silhouette), but it still turned out the supposedly dead dude who hasn't done anything is the boss.

5)Iori being rum could be gosho's way of making
heiji hattori main bo plot relate character near the end.
coz heiji being shinichi's best friend and popular himself
has to be in this final confrontation.
coz unlike kaito , heiji doesnt have his own manga lol.

If Gosho wants Heiji to be included in the plot again, all Gosho has to do is get Conan to catch him up on the BO stuff (again). Heiji had already played an important role in the Vermouth confrontation.

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So... I'll be honest, the Rum arc discourse has somehow made me tired of the following kind of argument:
"In Case X, Y happened, which is clearly a hint to [insert argument], which means that [insert character] is Rum"
Like, I do understand why people approach the text in this manner, because this has happened before a bunch of times, and it'd likely be a thing again with the Rum arc, but I feel like this hint-scavanging-hunt has also reached some parodic levels where pretty much everything is now a hint to something I guess.

All of that said, here's my contribution to the hopeless scavenging:
I saw the blogger case mentioned above and how because the culprit lied about her age that's somehow a hint that the butler is lying about his age. So how about this take instead:
Because the culprit lied about her age, that's somehow a hint that Kuroda's given age is a lie. Unlike the butler, who wouldn't be introduced for almost two years, Kuroda was just introduced a case before (and he also appears in that very case), and the dude looks way older than 50. Plus if he ends up being Shuichi's father then he kinda has to be a few years older, and if he ends up being Kouji's father, then he has to be a bunch of years older.

[vaibhavgupte]

I've merged all of your consecutive posts cause there isn't much of a reason for posting 3-6 posts in a row instead of just one.

1) Muga iori featured in the most important and most
beautiful in rum arc that is crimson school trip case.
files 1000-1005. in this case manga files reached magical 1000 figure.
you will say that all 3 rum suspects were also there.
but they were just sitting.

Karasuma didn't do a whole lot in chapter 300 either (well, he didn't do anything at all besides being a silhouette), but it still turned out the supposedly dead dude who hasn't done anything is the boss.

5)Iori being rum could be gosho's way of making
heiji hattori main bo plot relate character near the end.
coz heiji being shinichi's best friend and popular himself
has to be in this final confrontation.
coz unlike kaito , heiji doesnt have his own manga lol.

If Gosho wants Heiji to be included in the plot again, all Gosho has to do is get Conan to catch him up on the BO stuff (again). Heiji had already played an important role in the Vermouth confrontation.

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So... I'll be honest, the Rum arc discourse has somehow made me tired of the following kind of argument:
"In Case X, Y happened, which is clearly a hint to [insert argument], which means that [insert character] is Rum"
Like, I do understand why people approach the text in this manner, because this has happened before a bunch of times, and it'd likely be a thing again with the Rum arc, but I feel like this hint-scavanging-hunt has also reached some parodic levels where pretty much everything is now a hint to something I guess.

All of that said, here's my contribution to the hopeless scavenging:
I saw the blogger case mentioned above and how because the culprit lied about her age that's somehow a hint that the butler is lying about his age. So how about this take instead:
Because the culprit lied about her age, that's somehow a hint that Kuroda's given age is a lie. Unlike the butler, who wouldn't be introduced for almost two years, Kuroda was just introduced a case before (and he also appears in that very case), and the dude looks way older than 50. Plus if he ends up being Shuichi's father then he kinda has to be a few years older, and if he ends up being Kouji's father, then he has to be a bunch of years older.

Thanks for merging the posts.
regarding vlogger case, I do believe
kuroda age is also older since he appeared jus before.
he could be ten years older and be kohji father.

regarding iori age this was just a possibility.
he could also be like vermouth.

regarding hint scavenging I only take cases where rum
is mentioned. only 5 to 6 such cases are there.
and I have mentioned almost every case here.

regarding iori is rum theory I have also evidence part.
its not only foreshadowing.
this is much better than katsumata theory which is complete foreshadowing
and only evidence is he is connected to shukichi haneda.

[Spiritual]

How did Akai knew that Bourbon was instructed by Rum to gather info about Shinichi during their encounter at Kudo House?
Kuroda=Tsutomu and Shuichi already knew about it and they were already in contact..

vaighapubte,
That was genius. I love your theory and breakdown of everything. I am only thiniking of Muga, chikara and Rumi being Rum. But after reading your post, i would say i couldn't agree more with Muga being Rum because i have an evidence of him having a prosthetic/injured eye. When the lights went out during the poirot case, he blocked the door to make sure no one will escape instead of switching the lights on because he cannot see where the switches are due to having one eye damagaed. It was easier for him to see where the door is than to see where the switches are. Genius.

Most mindblowing thing ever
Yusaku=Wakita


Thank me after the reveal. See you all...or not.
if i am wrong, i am gone in this forum.

[Mohamed Ebrahem]

Ok vaibhavgupte
This is your theory about Rum and I respect it

For my opinion about Iori Muga , It may be one of the following two options :
1- he is a red herring for Asaka .
2- he is the womenly man who is subordinate to RUM .

For me , I think both options are correct .

[Zerozaki4869]

Just a thing Mo,
Muga could be real Asaka who was nerfed by APTX, hence he became a kid and then grew up in those 17 years time.

[vaibhavgupte]

Just a thing Mo,
Muga could be real Asaka who was nerfed by APTX, hence he became a kid and then grew up in those 17 years time.

till now its nowhere confirmed that asaka is not rum .
so you cant say for sure that an asaka candidate is not
rum candidate.