Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,009–1,012

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Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,009–1,012

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » April 5th, 2018, 11:37 pm

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File 1,009 Spoiler Pics have arrived!

Spoiler:
Well, well... it turns out "April Fool's joke..." was a real page, after all...


Also, no break next week—we can expect 1,010 spoilers a week from today.

EDIT:
Here are some translations of the spoiler pics:
Spoiler:
Page 2
[Panel 1]
Rei: You screwed up, Akai Shuichi...

[Panel 2]
Akai: I could say the same...
Akai: For you...

[Panel 3]
Akai: Bourbon!
Black text: Amuro faces off with an Akai who's revealed himself!?

Page 6
[Panel 1]
Ran: Wait, wait...
Ran: This isn't a traditional Japanese restaurant...

[Panel 2]
Ran: It's a bunny girl club!

[Panel 3]
Rei: That's true, it's just like the store name says...
Mouri: It's filled with cute black rabbits ❤

[Panel 4]
Ran: Geez, if I knew this was the kind of place it was I wouldn't have brought Conan...
Conan: I'm fine!

[Panel 5]
Conan: They have omelettes and curry...
Conan: It looks good!

Page 9
[Panel 1]
Bunny girl: How cute ❤
Man: Ah, these kids are...

[Panel 3]
Mouri: Sorry, sorry, my hand slipped...
Man: Mouri-san, this isn't that kind of establishment...

[Panel 4]
Conan: Would someone normally touch a bunny's tail in front of their daughter?
Rei: You'll be sued for sexual harassment, you know?
Mouri: I won't do it anymore...
Ran: Honestly...

[Panel 5]
Man: Go on, go on - you can order anything!
Bunny girl: Then can I order some food?
Bunny girl: I skipped lunch and I'm starving...

[Panel 6]
Man: Yes!
Man: Of course!
Bunny girl: Then I'll get a fruits platter, and omelette, fried onigiri...

[Panel 7]
SFX: laughing
Mouri: So it's okay for you to do it...?


Here's a summary of the chapter, as well, from Sakaki:
Spoiler:
Apparently Akai knows Amuro is Bourbon, though that one picture linked earlier took place nine hours after the current case.
Amuro is in the cafe asking Ran about Shinichi, which doesn't surprise Conan since all the attention he got during the school trip.
Kogoro has a case in the "Black Bunny" cafe where all the girls are dressed as bunnies, and Ran isn't pleased, lol. Conan invites Amuro along to hear about the case "Since he is Kogoro's apprentice".
The client is the affluent Gunzou Morooka. (50)
He brings along his secretary Atsufumi Fukamachi (70)
Apparently they received a letter of challenge from someone.
The letter tells Morooka not to come to the cafe if he doesn't want to be killed.
Despite that he's here anyway (Smart), and while Kogoro is a bit concerned, the bunny girls keep his attention.
We're introduced to one in particular --Yuri Asakura (25)
They stay most of the night, and nothing happens, but the girls are talking and another girl is highlighted --Sana Murakami (28).
There's a sudden alarm, but it's from the secretary's phone, he accidentally set it off trying to check his email.
Conan turns it off, and the party continues, but while that happens, Murakami spills a drink on Asakura and she goes to clean up.
A little while later, out of nowhere Asakura suddenly chokes while in conversation with everyone and keels over.
Note she does have a glass, but doesn't drink from it so it's probably(?) not ingested poison

And the amuro/Akai thing was stated to happen nine hours *after* the case so...
Yeah it's a flash forward.


And a preview of File 1,010:
Spoiler:
"A case happens in the Bunny Shop! Then Amuro is --?! In order to reveal Kudou Shinichi secret, Amuro gets closer to Conan... During the case, their intention intersects!"
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,009–1,0XX

Postby jimmy_kud0_tv2 » April 6th, 2018, 12:33 am

Spoiler:
Is that a recording device down your costume or are you just happy to see me?

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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,009–1,0XX

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » April 6th, 2018, 1:19 am

jimmy_kud0_tv2 wrote:
Spoiler:
Is that a recording device down your costume or are you just happy to see me?

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Spoiler:
The old man is probably the victim of this case, so that phone's recording will point towards who did him in—it likely won't be decisive, by itself, though, so that means it will have to be combined with other info/additional context for the culprit to be identified.

EDIT:
I stand corrected—he wasn't the victim... she was.

EDIT (#2):
After having read the file, I'd say that the butler and the other bunny girl are more suspicious in an obvious way, while the wealthy man is more suspicious in a less obvious way.

Her fellow worker killing her over the top sales spot seems quite on the nose... so I guess it depends if you think Gosho would be that obvious here, and not have it be a red herring.

Then there's "the butler did it" trope—it, too, is obvious, just as his apparent errors are attention catching.

Could the wealthy man be pulling the strings while his butler and the other bunny girl draw attention from him? Perhaps.

I suppose it depends on whether Gosho will go for the obvious or the less obvious...
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,009–1,0XX

Postby CrimsonGenius » April 6th, 2018, 3:24 am

DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
Spoiler:
Apparently Akai knows Amuro is Bourbon, though that one picture linked earlier took place nine hours after the current case.


Spoiler:
Doesn't he already know in Bell Tree, Asaca?
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,009–1,0XX

Postby Spimer » April 6th, 2018, 4:07 am

Yeah. Akai did call him "Bourbon" when they talked over the phone in the Scarlet Arc.

Also, they knew each other from the organization so it was obvious that Akai knew about him, whether Amuro was already codenamed by then is unconfirmed, though.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,009–1,0XX

Postby Mouti » April 6th, 2018, 4:36 am

CrimsonGenius wrote:
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
Spoiler:
Apparently Akai knows Amuro is Bourbon, though that one picture linked earlier took place nine hours after the current case.


Spoiler:
Doesn't he already know in Bell Tree, Asaca?


someone on discord said that line was written by the spoiler guy rather than the magazine.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,009–1,0XX

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » April 6th, 2018, 5:22 am

Mouti wrote:
CrimsonGenius wrote:
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
Spoiler:
Apparently Akai knows Amuro is Bourbon, though that one picture linked earlier took place nine hours after the current case.


Spoiler:
Doesn't he already know in Bell Tree, Asaca?


someone on discord said that line was written by the spoiler guy rather than the magazine.


Yeah, this chapter summary was written by Sakaki, not from Shōnen Sunday.
“Life is infinitely stranger than anything which the mind of man could invent. We would not dare to conceive the things which are really mere commonplaces of existence. If we could fly out of that window hand in hand, hover over this great city, gently remove the roofs, and and peep in at the queer things which are going on, the strange coincidences, the plannings, the cross-purposes, the wonderful chains of events, working through generations, and leading to the most outre results, it would make all fiction with its conventionalities and foreseen conclusions most stale and unprofitable.”
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― Arthur Conan Doyle, The Complete Adventures of Sherlock Holmes and His Last Bow
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,009–1,0XX

Postby Valentin » April 6th, 2018, 6:04 am

Since the highly anticipated Amuro spin-off ZERO’s Tea Time will start on May 9, I’m afraid that the main series is going on hiatus again after May 2 (at the latest), suggesting to me that Aoyama has only been (and could only be?) reactivated temporarily to promote the movie with these three or four chapters that he made in the course of the last months, but is then allowed to quietly prepare the next case (for a comeback during the summer?).

So I guess that “Take your time to craft a new story despite getting a reasonable amount of sleep, we’re going to publish that once in a while and fill the gaps with some commercial nonsense” is indeed the best solution they’ve been able to find so far. I do hope, though, that it will somehow be possible to return to more frequent releases in the future.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,009–1,0XX

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » April 6th, 2018, 8:17 am

Valentin wrote:I do hope, though, that it will somehow be possible to return to more frequent releases in the future.


Depends on how many files a year you're looking for.

During the 1994–2001 stretch, there were 7 instances of 47 or more files per year. After that, though...
Since 2002, we've failed to reach more than 45 files a year—the highest since then was 2005's 45 files per year.
Since 2006, we've failed to reach more than 43 files per year.
Since 2012, we've failed to reach more than 39 files per year.
The greatest file per year count of the 2013–2017 stretch are the 39 files per year we got in 2013 and 2016.
The 2014–present stretch seems to be 25–33 files per year—in 2015 and 2017, we failed to reach 30 files per year.
The 25 files per year we got in 2017 was the lowest file per year count in DC's history.

I don't think we're going back to 39–45 files per year, so... does 30 files per year sound good, or would you rather have 35 files per year?
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,009–1,0XX

Postby CrimsonGenius » April 6th, 2018, 8:20 am

maybe assistants will draw manga based on original flashback novels, live action, it'd be nice if they did
Spoiler:
My predictions:
Ran grows suspicious of Amuro's interest in Shin'ichi, Vermouth Azusa, her words, Shi'ichi's lucky charm, fingerprints, Sharon handkerchief, then maybe Vermouth intervenes Bourbon's mission in coming 10-20 chapters to protect Cool Kid/ Cool Guy Shin'ichi, then Shi'ichi/Conan reveals his true identity to Akai, FBI, then with Kaito Kid come up with a counterplan in return for letting off on a Kid heist, as well as maybe Okita body double, impersonate Shin'ichi, but Kaito Kid dsiguises as both Okita, Shi'ichi in disguise like Bell Tree Express,
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,009–1,0XX

Postby Valentin » April 6th, 2018, 3:46 pm

DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
Valentin wrote:I do hope, though, that it will somehow be possible to return to more frequent releases in the future.
I don't think we're going back to 39–45 files per year, so... does 30 files per year sound good, or would you rather have 35 files per year?
At the moment, I’m not even remotely thinking about numbers like thirty or thirty-five.

They’re installing a spin-off after everyone who is expected to watch the movie has seen it. The derivative won’t be released separately like the purely humorous Hannin no Hanzawa-san, but in the same magazine, suggesting that both works won’t be published simultaneously. Beyond that, it’ll even be supervised by the original author, although I’m aware that this term tends to be used somewhat loosely.

Anyway—if I were to give a cautious assessment, I’d say they want to put out at least one volume, implying that the main series won’t return before July. And even when we finally get the case after this one starting with File 1012 or File 1013, how long will it take for the sequel to arrive? Why not another ten or so stories of ZERO’s Tea Time? Zero the Enforcer will likely be available on home video from October 3, so that could go well together.

While this is of course nothing more than speculation, the news about an additional entry to the franchise that I can only regard as a temporary replacement to bridge time alone makes me rather pessimistic about Aoyama’s capability to provide material on a basis that sooner or later doesn’t become frustrating. I can hardly imagine that 2018 will yield more chapters than 2017; in fact, I would be surprised if it had more than twenty, and at this point, that seems relatively optimistic to me.

Let’s hope I’m wrong.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,009–1,0XX

Postby Zerozaki4869 » April 6th, 2018, 11:48 pm

IIRC, then Zero's tea time would be written by someone else not Aoyama. So that eating up Aoyama's time is not really a point.
Also Files are the main source to get people hooked on for the movies. So I guess, now the break is over.

In this year we might get anything between 20-25 files.(As we've already spent 12 weeks out of 52 and Golden week break, Summer break, Autumn break will take up some 10-15 weeks and 6-7 weeks for Aoyama's research, leaving around 20-25 publishable weeks.)
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,009–1,0XX

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » April 7th, 2018, 7:06 am

Valentin wrote:I can hardly imagine that 2018 will yield more chapters than 2017; in fact, I would be surprised if it had more than twenty, and at this point, that seems relatively optimistic to me.

Let’s hope I’m wrong.


Zerozaki4869 wrote:In this year we might get anything between 20-25 files.(As we've already spent 12 weeks out of 52 and Golden week break, Summer break, Autumn break will take up some 10-15 weeks and 6-7 weeks for Aoyama's research, leaving around 20-25 publishable weeks.)


Honestly, I don't mind the idea of such a low amount of files per year.

Valentin wrote:...the news about an additional entry to the franchise that I can only regard as a temporary replacement to bridge time alone makes me rather pessimistic about Aoyama’s capability to provide material on a basis that sooner or later doesn’t become frustrating.


And how frustrating would this be? "Straw that broke the camel's back" frustrating?
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,009–1,0XX

Postby Kor » April 9th, 2018, 11:32 am

Fujiwara: File 1009 spoilers: page 4: Amuro says to Ran that he heard about Shinichi solving that case on their school trip and asks where he went afterwards. Ran says that their teacher asked them not to mention Shinichi to others. Then Amuro says that he heard from Sonoko that she (Ran) often went to his house to clean and Ran says yes, sometimes. Then Conan asks Amuro along on the case...
Fujiwara: in page 5, Amuro says he left his phone upstairs, which is why Ran goes back to get it...
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,009–1,0XX

Postby darkest absol » April 9th, 2018, 6:05 pm

Reposting from discord:

Spoiler:
honestly i think the butler did it, or at least wrote the letter

kinda stereotypical but maybe he wrote the letter with the cut outs due to being unfamiliar with technology? he did trip the alarm on his phone, though that could have also been intentional.

idk, the file did put a focus on the cut out letter ransom note being made 'in this day and age'. entirely circumstantial, and i don't theorize like this much so i guess take this with a lot of salt
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