Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

[k11chi]

On-topic time, then. The reason why I said that people shouldn't take Goshos comment as a fact is because I don't see this person Akai was talking about being anyone else than Date right now (other than that random theory about Sera father, I guess), yes he supposedly died in a car accident and the culprit was caught and it was said that Akai and Amuro had some kind of rivalry going on while they in the organisation one year before he died... I believe Amuros rivalry-attitude towards Akai changed after something happened to that person Akai was talking about... Maybe they had a chance to save Date but Akai declined because they could have gotten caught for being cops, Date was one...

Now, if Amuro always had a grudge towards Akai in the org, what did Amuro try to do to him during that time? Did he choose not to do anything and when it was revealed that Akai was FBI, Amuro thought that only now is his chance to look for him (for years) and try to feed Akai to the BO for revenge?

That love triangle thing came from the fact that romance dealing with Haibaras sister wouldn't be the first time in this series and we know Amuro knew someone that looks like Elena. He even said that he has met Akemi along Haibaras parents...

Now my other theory was that Amuros thoughts about Elena changed over the years when he grew up, joined the police and found out about her being in an "evil" organisation. I doubt he would care about Akemi all that much then, so...

[MeiTanteixX]

On-topic time, then. The reason why I said that people shouldn't take Goshos comment as a fact is because I don't see this person Akai was talking about being anyone else than Date right now (other than that random theory about Sera father, I guess), yes he supposedly died in a car accident and the culprit was caught and it was said that Akai and Amuro had some kind of rivalry going on while they in the organisation one year before he died... I believe Amuros rivalry-attitude towards Akai changed after something happened to that person Akai was talking about... Maybe they had a chance to save Date but Akai declined because they could have gotten caught for being cops, Date was one...

Now, if Amuro always had a grudge towards Akai in the org, what did Amuro try to do to him during that time? Did he choose not to do anything and when it was revealed that Akai was FBI, Amuro thought that only now is his chance to look for him (for years) and try to feed Akai to the BO for revenge?

That love triangle thing came from the fact that romance dealing with Haibaras sister wouldn't be the first time in this series and we know Amuro knew someone that looks like Elena. He even said that he has met Akemi along Haibaras parents...

Now my other theory was that Amuros thoughts about Elena changed over the years when he grew up, joined the police and found out about her being in an "evil" organisation. I doubt he would care about Akemi all that much then, so...

"Amuro's thoughts about Elena changed" ...for the better? Or worse?

[k11chi]

On-topic time, then. The reason why I said that people shouldn't take Goshos comment as a fact is because I don't see this person Akai was talking about being anyone else than Date right now (other than that random theory about Sera father, I guess), yes he supposedly died in a car accident and the culprit was caught and it was said that Akai and Amuro had some kind of rivalry going on while they in the organisation one year before he died... I believe Amuros rivalry-attitude towards Akai changed after something happened to that person Akai was talking about... Maybe they had a chance to save Date but Akai declined because they could have gotten caught for being cops, Date was one...

Now, if Amuro always had a grudge towards Akai in the org, what did Amuro try to do to him during that time? Did he choose not to do anything and when it was revealed that Akai was FBI, Amuro thought that only now is his chance to look for him (for years) and try to feed Akai to the BO for revenge?

That love triangle thing came from the fact that romance dealing with Haibaras sister wouldn't be the first time in this series and we know Amuro knew someone that looks like Elena. He even said that he has met Akemi along Haibaras parents...

Now my other theory was that Amuros thoughts about Elena changed over the years when he grew up, joined the police and found out about her being in an "evil" organisation. I doubt he would care about Akemi all that much then, so...

"Amuro's thoughts about Elena changed" ...for the better? Or worse?

Worse... Maybe he didn't think highly of her after he grew up. Then again I don't see as much point in him thinking badly of Elena?
I guess it could be something like this: (I'm pulling this out of nowhere) I guess if Jd's post about Amuro having british connections were to be true, maybe by chance Elena was a local pharmacist/doctor (something to do with white doctors jacket and I guess medicine?) back in the day somewhere, maybe in Europe... After that I can think too many different way it could go, like Amuro living with Elena (she said "goodbye" though but maybe something happened and it didn't end there?) and moving to Japan/America/wherever the Org originated from perhaps...

The first case with Amuro did deal with extraordinary chances but I doubt that means anything, if it does then maybe Amuro just coincidentally later on found out about Elena.

I'm not a supporter of that "Amuro is a BO child" theory but maybe it kind of makes sense

[MeiTanteixX]

Thank you for being honest (and confirming my suspicion), but I noticed your quick edit, so:

original post:

I am not going to answer this question, sorry. Also if you have reading comprehension problems... just say it... I'm not one to judge.
We will leave it at that.

I am not going to answer this question, sorry.
We will leave it at that.

I was about to troll you but I just can't find any point in your comments so... Why bother? I have no time for this right now, anyway.

You were making assumptions and you were being vague in your posts, so I asked you questions, and replied to your arguments (like the other people here). You were arguing that we shouldn't take Gosho's comment at the interview seriously, and I wanted to know why you thought we should do that. It's easy as that.

As for trying to troll me, and the general attitude you've showcased here, you should knock it off, like right now.
Also, you might want to read this thread: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4365

EDIT: If you want to follow up on this post, please PM me instead of posting here.

Maybe k11chi went a little too far with that comment about comprehension problems...., which is why, @Kor, k11chi edited it and erased that part and i think it should be forgiven...but let's just leave that dispute behind us and create a friendly ''professional'' invironment. (or as u said Kor, continue this in a PM)

[MeiTanteixX]

On-topic time, then. The reason why I said that people shouldn't take Goshos comment as a fact is because I don't see this person Akai was talking about being anyone else than Date right now (other than that random theory about Sera father, I guess), yes he supposedly died in a car accident and the culprit was caught and it was said that Akai and Amuro had some kind of rivalry going on while they in the organisation one year before he died... I believe Amuros rivalry-attitude towards Akai changed after something happened to that person Akai was talking about... Maybe they had a chance to save Date but Akai declined because they could have gotten caught for being cops, Date was one...

Now, if Amuro always had a grudge towards Akai in the org, what did Amuro try to do to him during that time? Did he choose not to do anything and when it was revealed that Akai was FBI, Amuro thought that only now is his chance to look for him (for years) and try to feed Akai to the BO for revenge?

That love triangle thing came from the fact that romance dealing with Haibaras sister wouldn't be the first time in this series and we know Amuro knew someone that looks like Elena. He even said that he has met Akemi along Haibaras parents...

Now my other theory was that Amuros thoughts about Elena changed over the years when he grew up, joined the police and found out about her being in an "evil" organisation. I doubt he would care about Akemi all that much then, so...

"Amuro's thoughts about Elena changed" ...for the better? Or worse?

Worse... Maybe he didn't think highly of her after he grew up. Then again I don't see as much point in him thinking badly of Elena?
I guess it could be something like this: (I'm pulling this out of nowhere) I guess if Jd's post about Amuro having british connections were to be true, maybe by chance Elena was a local pharmacist/doctor (something to do with white doctors jacket and I guess medicine?) back in the day somewhere, maybe in Europe... After that I can think too many different way it could go, like Amuro living with Elena (she said "goodbye" though but maybe something happened and it didn't end there?) and moving to Japan/America/wherever the Org originated from perhaps...

The first case with Amuro did deal with extraordinary chances but I doubt that means anything, if it does then maybe Amuro just coincidentally later on found out about Elena.

I'm not a supporter of that "Amuro is a BO child" theory but maybe it kind of makes sense

funny thing is..i had a simillar thought like this ''out-of-the-blue'' one of yours but the only difference in ur idea and mine is that u have developed it a little further than mine. I only thought:
''what if Elena was Rei's Neigbor/pharmacist/Parent-friend/Aunt-figure in Brittain/Japan''.
BTW:i also think that jd's theory might turn out to be true in a future(maybe ''Scarlet Epilogue'') chapter.

[AICHAN]

@k11chi:when Amuro was a kid Elena was in the BO,working for them,so the most logical way for them to meet is Amuro being raised inside the BO.
And apparently you prefer believeing in your own theories,that doesn't have any proof in the manga(concerning the love triangle thing,or Amuro being the second brother...),but you don't believe in what Gosho says during his interviews,concerning his own story?that is weird.

[k11chi]

@k11chi:when Amuro was a kid Elena was in the BO,working for them,so the most logical way for them to meet is Amuro being raised inside the BO.
And apparently you prefer believeing in your own theories,that doesn't have any proof in the manga(concerning the love triangle thing,or Amuro being the second brother...),but you don't believe in what Gosho says during his interviews,concerning his own story?that is weird.

I won't believe that Akemi has nothing to do with what was going on between Akai and Amuro prior to Dates death for now... Atleast Amuro himself saying that he has met Akemi already debunks that Amuro himself would have nothing to do with her.

We don't really know the history of the organisation, I'm sure it's not a prison cell or anything. I find it rather odd for Elena to say goodbye like that...

I'm almost 100% sure that we will get some kind of origin story for Amuro though.
Hopefully he's an orphan, so that his parents won't get involved if they're new characters.

[AICHAN]

Well believe it or not this is what Gosho said...of course Amuro met Elena so he met Akemi as well,and they may be friends,it's not contradictory with what Gosho said,but I don't see the point for Gosho to say in an explicit way that Akemi has nothing to do with their rivalry if it's not true.
Gosho could just have answered "who knows",or something vague like that...
As for the Organization,when you see how Haibara has been forced to work on the APTX since she was a kid,and wasn't allowed to see her sister when she wanted to,I think we can consider it as a sort of Prison.The BO really wants to develop that drug so I doubt they will let Elena go away frequently to see some friends outside of the BO.Amuro had a habit to regularly see Elena so logically he would do so inside the BO.
Anyway I don't wanna make theories for now since Gosho always dstroys them XDXD let's see what the next file will be^^

[MeiTanteixX]

@k11chi:when Amuro was a kid Elena was in the BO,working for them,so the most logical way for them to meet is Amuro being raised inside the BO.
And apparently you prefer believeing in your own theories,that doesn't have any proof in the manga(concerning the love triangle thing,or Amuro being the second brother...),but you don't believe in what Gosho says during his interviews,concerning his own story?that is weird.

I won't believe that Akemi has nothing to do with what was going on between Akai and Amuro prior to Dates death for now... Atleast Amuro himself saying that he has met Akemi already debunks that Amuro himself would have nothing to do with her.

We don't really know the history of the organisation, I'm sure it's not a prison cell or anything. I find it rather odd for Elena to say goodbye like that...

I'm almost 100% sure that we will get some kind of origin story for Amuro though.
Hopefully he's an orphan, so that his parents won't get involved if they're new characters.

well, considering what Gosho said, Akemi is probably just "that daughter of the awesome/horrible nurse-figure woman" to Amuro (if u need an explanation to what it means with amuro mentioning that he met akemi).

Since, according to the manga (not Gosho interview), there was a closure on the whole Date accident case(with the guilty guy paying for his deed), i fully doubt this feud between Akai and Amuro has anything to do with Date!!! The point with the whole Date and amuro connection was only to give hints that amuro was in the police academy and possibly still loyal to the police. The one akai mentioned has something to do with either being a colleague of Furuya or someone close before he became a PSA member. ..

I also hope that amuro turns out to be an orphan. No more sibling/family stories!!! (Except with flashbacks) it's enough with the lovable Akai family(and Hondou)!!! ^^

[MeiTanteixX]

Well believe it or not this is what Gosho said...of course Amuro met Elena so he met Akemi as well,and they may be friends,it's not contradictory with what Gosho said,but I don't see the point for Gosho to say in an explicit way that Akemi has nothing to do with their rivalry if it's not true.
Gosho could just have answered "who knows",or something vague like that...
As for the Organization,when you see how Haibara has been forced to work on the APTX since she was a kid,and wasn't allowed to see her sister when she wanted to,I think we can consider it as a sort of Prison.The BO really wants to develop that drug so I doubt they will let Elena go away frequently to see some friends outside of the BO.Amuro had a habit to regularly see Elena so logically he would do so inside the BO.
Anyway I don't wanna make theories for now since Gosho always dstroys them XDXD let's see what the next file will be^^

since there isn't much to start a theory from we have no choice but to wait(that's why Gosho got the upper hand)...

[Okiyakaivan]

Can't wait for the latest file out this friday

[Jd-]

[k11chi]

well, considering what Gosho said, Akemi is probably just "that daughter of the awesome/horrible nurse-figure woman" to Amuro (if u need an explanation to what it means with amuro mentioning that he met akemi).

Since, according to the manga (not Gosho interview), there was a closure on the whole Date accident case(with the guilty guy paying for his deed), i fully doubt this feud between Akai and Amuro has anything to do with Date!!! The point with the whole Date and amuro connection was only to give hints that amuro was in the police academy and possibly still loyal to the police. The one akai mentioned has something to do with either being a colleague of Furuya or someone close before he became a PSA member. ..

I also hope that amuro turns out to be an orphan. No more sibling/family stories!!! (Except with flashbacks) it's enough with the lovable Akai family(and Hondou)!!! ^^

Hmm I don't think so because it seems like Akemi was the one who told Haibara about Amuro and Akai... I wonder if Akai told Akemi. Amuro does say that he has met her, so it's a bit messy...
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Atleast I'd imagine that Amuro would think more badly about someone he calls the "Hell Angel" if he's purely about taking down the org?
Then again maybe he thought of the "Hell Angel" as a hostage in the organisation for some reason (I seriously doubt that) and doesn't think badly of Elena... Akemi got killed after all, but we don't really know what he thinks of her... *Sigh*...

[MeiTanteixX]

Hmm I don't think so because it seems like Akemi was the one who told Haibara about Amuro and Akai... I wonder if Akai told Akemi. Amuro does say that he has met her, so it's a bit messy...
http://www.dctp.ws/V78--Reader/V78-7Rea ... 24_005.png
Atleast I'd imagine that Amuro would think more badly about someone he calls the "Hell Angel" if he's purely about taking down the org?
Then again maybe he thought of the "Hell Angel" as a hostage in the organisation for some reason (I seriously doubt that) and doesn't think badly of Elena... Akemi got killed after all, but we don't really know what he thinks of her... *Sigh*...

but we do know that akemi didn't mean enough for furuya to make him base his rivalry with Akai on her death!! That's a given fact! And seing how angry (hateful) amuro looked after hearing akais words:

Spoiler:

It gives a major sign that all of his hate and rivarly with Akai is based on "him" akai mentioned (which is NOT Date!!!!!!!) <---already said my statement for this point

[ThatLee4]

I think Zero knows Elenor from young in Britain as she is British and Amouro may be too according to JD's theory. I think Elena and her husband are top tier scientist recruited to the BO against their will. To make the age concern drug. I think somehow Zero found out they where in the BO when he grew up working for the Japanese secret police. And decided to take the BO down espesially when he found out they killed Akemi's parents.

I think Zero still means more in regards to his nickname from young.

And his skin colour means something too.

Him working with team Conan will not really happen. I still want a fight with him and Akai.

And still no mention of Kir.

Maybe next time?