Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!
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If okiya is shinichi, we don't know if he can block the attack from ran for 1st time that she meet him?
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I don't know if this is in response to me. Okiya was not Shinichi in Okiya's intro case, paper plane case, or in any Okiya case.shinouray91 wrote:If okiya is shinichi, we don't know if he can block the attack from ran for 1st time that she meet him?
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Also Kir will be in trouble. Not to let Amuro inform Akai being alive is Conans first priority right now.
In the first page of Final Destination it mentions how Bourbon is "An investigator terrifyingly proficient in observation, perception and gathering of information". This could just be the hype for him being able to figure these things out easily, and we may not get to see how he actually did it.
In the first page of Final Destination it mentions how Bourbon is "An investigator terrifyingly proficient in observation, perception and gathering of information". This could just be the hype for him being able to figure these things out easily, and we may not get to see how he actually did it.
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about the kudos house... bourbon safe the detective boys from the freeze truck thing... that how he know the house are
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Smitty wrote:Here are my thoughts on the current developments, there's little structure to it, and I go off on different points...
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Here is how I think (this is a hypothesis, not a firm theory) that Bourbon found Okiya. His goal was to find intelligent friends of Conan's who have moved in recently, knowing that Akai was working together with Conan because he figured out the fake death plan. He had already run into many of Conan's acquaintances, but several, like Okiya, have eluded him. He saw Okiya once in the Mouri Detective Agency bathroom murder case and could have deduced he was chasing the car with Conan in it and aiming to shoot it even. Amuro also heard in that case about Conan's tracking devices (798pg4), so can deduce that Okiya was using those. Amuro knows Okiya's car, so he isn't starting completely blind. If he goes to the Kudo house and sees Okiya's car, and then couples that with what he learned about the person living in the Kudo house from the delivery case, I think Bourbon has enough to strongly suspect Okiya. He can check up on a few things, like maybe utility use, mail delivery, neighbor testimony, or other info (Mystery train ticket holder names?) to figure out when Okiya moved in and he would be good.User 4869 wrote:Welcome to the forum. Smitty
How did Bourbon find Shinichi's (or the "Kudo's") house
Bourbon was there when Okiya give Conan phone in delivery service case. Chek said she can explain further (here me pass the bucket)
Conan was pretty desperate in the delivery case, enough so that he called upon Bourbon's help. To explain what Amuro learned about Kudo household's resident in the delivery case, first we need to jump ahead in time. In the tea party case, when Bourbon became certain that Conan already knew he was one of the Black Organization, he could reflect back and realize just how desperate Conan was to call on him during the delivery case. Keep this in mind.
Jumping back in time to the delivery case, once Bourbon had seen the layout of the delivery truck, he realized that Conan had been trapped in the back and could not contact the outside world by usual means, hence the message by cat. However, Conan had a completely functional cellphone when he was rescued (Bourbon even asked Conan to make a call with it, proving it was working [Conan should have pretended it was dead if he was being clever...]). Putting two and two together, Bourbon would realize that the cellphone must have come to Conan sometime after Conan sent the cat message because Conan probably would have done everything else he could think of before contacting Bourbon. It makes the most sense that Conan managed to uncover an opportunity and send out an SOS via one of the packages to someone highly intelligent who then gave the delivery men a package with a cellphone. Considering that Conan was right outside the Kudo house, the Kudo house is right on top of the list of places where he could have received help, along with any locations nearby. Amuro might have also noticed Okiya's figure in the window. It basically became a matter of figuring out where in the local area the delivery truck would have delivered to that Akai-aged men have moved recently.
I don't know if this is the answer that will be revealed, but it it good enough for me.
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Shiromi wrote:Smitty wrote:Here are my thoughts on the current developments, there's little structure to it, and I go off on different points...
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From Chekhov explanation above, I will try to say it as short as possible, not to outdo her but for tl:dr effect.
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It'd be great if this just went off the walls mental right now, like...
Only then can I accept the dial-a-disguise this time. Only then!
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@Jd- About Akai appearing as himself on the Mystery Train; I'm pretty sure it was because Amuro at that point had already seen Okiya once, during the Detective Nocturne case. They both saw each other very briefly during the car chase. If I remember correctly as well, there was a theory going around then that Amuro suspected Dr. Agasa to be Akai in disguise based on what he'd heard of him, and that when he saw Okiya he may have thought he was looking at Agasa (or in his mind, Akai.) Obviously this hunch didn't have too much evidence and Amuro didn't really follow up on it before the MT case. The point is, though, that he had already seen Okiya before the MT case, and probably knew he was a local involved in Conan's life. If Akai appeared as Okiya on the MT case, Amuro would know where to start looking right away, since I'm pretty sure he wouldn't just drop the fact that someone on the train with a grenade had directly interfered with his plan. Even if Akai ditched his Okiya identity right after that and disappeared, that would seem only more suspicious to Amuro, who would probably then decide to stay around anyways to investigate further, and what ended up happening for real in the story would happen anyways. Akai would have to come back with a new identity, since his mission as Okiya is staying hidden AND protecting Haibara, and in that case he'd make himself more conspicuous, as having Okiya disappear and be replaced by yet another new person would scream suspicious.
I think regardless of what Akai chose to do in that situation, he and Conan were screwed either way. Employing someone like Kaitou Kid in their plan was a mistake, since he really is the reason why Akai had to intervene in the first place. I actually like that the mess that the protagonists are in right now directly stemmed from their sloppy planning back on the Mystery Train; their actions had consequences, and now they have to deal with them.
I think regardless of what Akai chose to do in that situation, he and Conan were screwed either way. Employing someone like Kaitou Kid in their plan was a mistake, since he really is the reason why Akai had to intervene in the first place. I actually like that the mess that the protagonists are in right now directly stemmed from their sloppy planning back on the Mystery Train; their actions had consequences, and now they have to deal with them.
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Perhaps Yusaku no-show for Macademy Awards ceremony, when the announcer said "The winner of the best script award is...Yusaku Kudou", but Yusaku didn't come to receive the award, then one of the staff said Mr Kudou had some urgency matter and could attend the ceremony, he is return to Japan to solve the matter, or even said he is return home to solve his son's matter. Ran who is looking forward to watch ceremony, hearing this announcement may make her think that Shinichi is coming home, then Ran calling Shinichi on phone or even rushing to Kudou's residence. When Ran arrived, she saw Amuro and Okiya (Either Yukiko or Yusaku in disguise) confronting each other.

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dr.agasa as akai? that really wierd...
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Well remember what the gain from Mystery Train was? It was Bourbon... At the moment it looks like that backfired massively...
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johnny bip? johnny deep?
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