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so that's what the BO was doing all this time!

Postby Akonyl » December 30th, 2011, 6:44 pm

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/22858 ... kes-notice

Canadian researchers find a simple cure for cancer, but major pharmaceutical companies are not interested.

Researchers at the University of Alberta, in Edmonton, Canada have cured cancer last week, yet there is a little ripple in the news or in TV. It is a simple technique using very basic drug. The method employs dichloroacetate, which is currently used to treat metabolic disorders. So, there is no concern of side effects or about their long term effects.

This drug doesn't require a patent, so anyone can employ it widely and cheaply compared to the costly cancer drugs produced by major pharmaceutical companies.

Canadian scientists tested this dichloroacetate (DCA) on human's cells; it killed lung, breast and brain cancer cells and left the healthy cells alone. It was tested on Rats inflicted with severe tumors; their cells shrank when they were fed with water supplemented with DCA. The drug is widely available and the technique is easy to use, why the major drug companies are not involved? Or the Media interested in this find?

In human bodies there is a natural cancer fighting human cell, the mitochondria, but they need to be triggered to be effective. Scientists used to think that these mitochondria cells were damaged and thus ineffective against cancer. So they used to focus on glycolysis, which is less effective in curing cancer and more wasteful. The drug manufacturers focused on this glycolysis method to fight cancer. This DCA on the other hand doesn't rely on glycolysis instead on mitochondria; it triggers the mitochondria which in turn fights the cancer cells.

The side effect of this is it also reactivates a process called apoptosis. You see, mitochondria contain an all-too-important self-destruct button that can't be pressed in cancer cells. Without it, tumors grow larger as cells refuse to be extinguished. Fully functioning mitochondria, thanks to DCA, can once again die.

With glycolysis turned off, the body produces less lactic acid, so the bad tissue around cancer cells doesn't break down and seed new tumors.

Pharmaceutical companies are not investing in this research because DCA method cannot be patented, without a patent they can't make money, like they are doing now with their AIDS Patent. Since the pharmaceutical companies won't develop this, the article says other independent laboratories should start producing this drug and do more research to confirm all the above findings and produce drugs. All the groundwork can be done in collaboration with the Universities, who will be glad to assist in such research and can develop an effective drug for curing cancer.

You can access the original research for this cancer here.

This article wants to raise awareness for this study, hope some independent companies and small startup will pick up this idea and produce these drugs, because the big companies won't touch it for a long time.


they were just trying to cure cancer, in the end! Such good people ;_;
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Postby Kleene Onigiri » December 30th, 2011, 6:51 pm

They are so great ;_;
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Postby Commi-Ninja » December 30th, 2011, 6:56 pm

;___;  And here we've thought they're awful bad guys all this time!  (Let's just ignore the fact that they have a tendency to kill somewhat-innocent bystanders.)
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Postby sonoci » December 30th, 2011, 7:20 pm

....................so the BO is based in Canada? ._.



I-I mean, it must be one of their bases. Er...yeah, that's it.
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Postby Stopwatch » December 30th, 2011, 7:25 pm

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Postby Borealis » January 21st, 2012, 12:20 pm

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I fear that they are behind the first murder  :|
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Postby alicetama » January 21st, 2012, 1:04 pm

Borealis wrote:http://www.cracked.com/article_18459_th ... ecommended


I fear that they are behind the first murder  :|

Personally (and I know this is going to sound terrible to some people) but I was laughing my head off at the Glico one.
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Postby Jd- » January 21st, 2012, 3:28 pm

It's a shame I didn't see this when it was originally posted.

Foremost, I can appreciate the humor intended here, but there is a major problem. This article is misguided on every single level and republishing it as if it's entirely true, without qualifying it as not, can be very misleading. I can't say for certain whether Akonyl actually believes that article is legitimate (that will be up to him to clarify), but what I can tell you that it is not. It is simply anti-establishment propaganda masquerading as the "hidden truth"--the typical "anti-Big Pharma" conspiracy nonsense that gets spread around on sites like Reddit anytime someone feels like they're doing the world some good by exposing a "conspiracy". Social media has become a bane to the existence of actual researchers trying to save lives because people are trying to take medicine out of the laboratory and into the streets. Just remember: Every single time someone reposts, reblogs, remessages, retweets, or resends these articles, they are participating in potentially taking a human life. Many quacks have been exploiting the "hype" behind DCA as a miracle cure since the day it was proposed, and because of articles like this, people are conditioned to believe them. It's our job to be a little skeptical so that those who are in desperate situations where they cannot possibly be expected to think entirely clearly don't have to be fooled by these charlatans that say they can cure their terminal cancer by pointing to all the "hype" around drugs like DCA to legitimatize their claims.

This story dates back four years, when DCA was initially considered a potential cure for cancer. DCA itself is a legitimate drug, but the article is completely and utterly off-base in every single way. If people actually cared about the science behind it, they would not falsely link DCA as the enemy of the "money-hungry Big Pharma". When this exact story started making the rounds the first time, the actual science community brought some rationality to the sensational "journalism" that was again trying to tell people that a cure for cancer was being hidden away from them because "Big Pharma" wanted to make money off their illness.

Allow me to quote an ACTUAL scientist on this matter:

DCA falls under the category of prematurely promoting an experimental drug before it has been adequately studied. It can sound very compelling to hear the story of how DCA works to kill cancer cells. It certainly sounds like it is a cure for cancer. But medical researchers have been here before. Many potential treatments look good in the test tube, but do not eventually work as treatments in humans. Cancer is complex, and biology is complex, and in a living person the net effects may not be what we expect.

There is also safety to consider. Medical decision-making is about risk vs benefit. There is a tendency for naive and sensational reports to hype a treatment by focusing entirely on the potential benefits. But before we can reasonably recommend or give a treatment, we need to know something about the risks as well. We want to make sure we are not doing more harm than good (I remember something about that in that oath I took when I graduated medical school).

That is why we need to perform those pesky controlled clinical trials. We need some reasonable measure of net clinical effects. The history of medicine has demonstrated this a thousand times over.


It is extremely important to be very careful when it comes to medicine how we approach the reporting of it. Saying that it's a cure for cancer is ludicrous. It is a potential treatment, not a cure. There is a major difference, and if more people would take mind of that and be more responsible, we would have a lot less people dying from being exploited by quacks promoting miracle "cures" simply because the media has made them out to be cures.

[quote]A common story in the cancer-treatment world is that a new potential treatment, based upon a novel approach, is sensationalized as a cure for cancer. But then 5-10 years later we still haven’t cured cancer. But what has often happened is that the new treatment works, it just has a limited role in a subset of cancers. It prolongs survival and is being used – it’s just not the “cureâ€
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Postby Borealis » January 21st, 2012, 4:08 pm

I alredy thought that it was something like this.
After all, there are several mechanisms in our body to prevent cells from dividing uncontrolled and several of them have to be made useless for cancer to spread. So even when this drug does what it is supposed to do, it doesn't mean that every cancer patient can profit from that.
Also, the article didn't state in which phase the testing is, so I figured it must be still at the beginning.


But please don't let this be a reason to let this thread die, we can still post what else they could have been doing (just as my last post)
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Postby dilbertschalter » January 21st, 2012, 11:16 pm

Jd- wrote:post


all i can say is that i really hope that this post wasn't necessary.
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Postby Jd- » January 22nd, 2012, 9:18 am

dilbertschalter wrote:all i can say is that i really hope that this post wasn't necessary.


Me too, my friend, me too. But, unfortunately, you'd be surprised. People love sensational journalism and they love fear-mongering. These aren't just lunatics out on the fringe: these are every day people that are being misled to take up a cause they actually don't know anything about other than what they've been guided to think they know. Most people on the internet don't seem to vet much of anything they read; they just accept whatever seems to be popular and make it part of their consciousness.

Here's the top-rated comment on a video taking DCA as a possible "CURE" for cancer:

EVERYONE NEEDS TO STAND UP! STAND UP!! STAND THE **** UP AND SUE THE **** OUT OF THE GOVERNMENT AND THE FDA!! THEY DONT WANT US TO HAVE THE CURE CAUSE THEY WILL GO BANKRUPT!!


And, how about one like this?

More people need to see this, Spread this to any family or freinds effected by cancer. :)


If someone actually sees this false "hype" and they spread it to family and friends that have cancer, another disease is what's really being spread, and that disease is misinformation. That gives us the possibility of more people rejecting proven treatment for those peddling unproven and likely extremely dangerous treatments that are getting rich off of what they always accuse "Big Pharma" of doing.

Some more to give you an idea of the state of things:

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The govt has also banned vitamin B-17, (leatril) because those who get enough of it never get cancer.


Please spread this message. Learn how the FDA has been suppressing a cure for cancer. This really needs to go viral. Please help.


i'm telling you, this country is SICK,they'll do anything to keep their billions dollars pharmaceutical company going.And the doctors are payed a big fat check each year to keep quiet about the natural cures for diseases.It's so SICK it keeps me up at night.


apricot seeds also cure cancer since they have vitamin b17....but guess wat the government banned b17 in the united states..why because it can cure cancer causing big loss of money to medical business...terrible world we live in


I'd just like to point out, that I've never took any drugs in my hole life, no Flu jabs, Nothing. And guess what, I've never been sick (apart from colds etc), I don't even eat any fruit or vegtables because i don't like them lol. And i've never cought a disease or anything in my life. I'm willing to bet that the hole of medication is a scam.


There is also a cure for aids but the scientist who developed got death threats to him and to his family if he put it on the market. Not only that but you should definitely watch how the world trade center fell.
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As you can tell from that last quote, conspiracy thinking is very contagious. Once people think there is reality in one conspiracy, they become very prone to accepting all popular conspiracies as true, and that is simply very dangerous thinking that is about as detached from reality as one can be.

They may seem like the fringe to you and me, but the simple fact of the matter is that everyday people are being swayed by this nonsense. People that are affected by cancer cannot be expected to think clearly when a dear loved one's life is at risk. These people spreading this misinformation do not realize the toll that it is taking. Just like with the anti-vaccination movement with concern to the MMR vaccine, misinformation has real consequences, real soon.

If even one person can be steered away from falling into this trap, I'll invest hours from every day for the rest of my life to at least attempt to avoid that sort of madness. If even one person reads that post and comes away with it knowing that the "DCA is a cure for cancer but 'Big Pharma' is holding it back" conspiracy is all garbage, then I can personally consider that time well-invested on my part and can't say I'll harbor any regrets or consider even a second of that time lost.
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Postby Memesu » January 22nd, 2012, 10:29 am

alicetama wrote:
Borealis wrote:http://www.cracked.com/article_18459_th ... ecommended


I fear that they are behind the first murder  :|

Personally (and I know this is going to sound terrible to some people) but I was laughing my head off at the Glico one.

Same here.
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Postby red.orchid » January 22nd, 2012, 10:16 pm

Jd- wrote:
If even one person can be steered away from falling into this trap, I'll invest hours from every day for the rest of my life to at least attempt to avoid that sort of madness. If even one person reads that post and comes away with it knowing that the "DCA is a cure for cancer but 'Big Pharma' is holding it back" conspiracy is all garbage, then I can personally consider that time well-invested on my part and can't say I'll harbor any regrets or consider even a second of that time lost.


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