Homosexuality: A Survey

[Mohorovicic]

I believe what IU meant to say was "I doubt people would choose to be ostracized, ridiculed, excluded, attacked, etc."

This.

And:
I'm personally against. It's not any moral belief, nor is the reason based on the Bible. It's just that something about homosexuality just gives me a bad feeling.

23, United States (current). Born Jeju, South Korea.

[PhoenixTears]

@IHKF and Abs: I get that. I do. But the fact that anyone thinks homosexuals should be feeling bad for who they are because they don't conform to normal standards really bothers me. Why should they feel like they should change to fit someone's idea of normal? Why should they apologize for who they are?

The thing is, IU may not personally believe that, but they are people that genuinely think that homosexuals should be feeling bad and wanting to change because they're different.

That is absolutely wrong. Every single person should embrace who they are and feel free to live their lives in that way, provided they are not hurting someone else with their actions, whether they're gay, straight, bisexual, left-handed, red-haired, or whatever.

To be fair: I'm not offended at IU personally. It's the sentiment that bothers me, not her.

I'm personally against. It's not any moral belief, nor is the reason based on the Bible. It's just that something about homosexuality just gives me a bad feeling.

Why? (Genuinely curious here, not trying to start anything.)

[Mohorovicic]

I'm personally against. It's not any moral belief, nor is the reason based on the Bible. It's just that something about homosexuality just gives me a bad feeling.

Why? (Genuinely curious here, not trying to start anything.)

I really honestly don't know. It's just that something about homosexuality just isn't right. And that's the best answer I can give.

[ConansSideWalk]

PT just started a war! I would also like an explanation as to these why one has theses feelings that could lead to persecution directed at a group of human beings. -reads Ihi's comments- :') they grow up so fast debate on

[IHKF]

@IHKF and Abs: I get that. I do. But the fact that anyone thinks homosexuals should be feeling bad for who they are because they don't conform to normal standards really bothers me. Why should they feel like they should change to fit someone's idea of normal? Why should they apologize for who they are?

The thing is, IU may not personally believe that, but they are people that genuinely think that homosexuals should be feeling bad and wanting to change because they're different.

That is absolutely wrong. Every single person should embrace who they are and feel free to live their lives in that way, provided they are not hurting someone else with their actions, whether they're gay, straight, bisexual, left-handed, red-haired, or whatever.

To be fair: I'm not offended at IU personally. It's the sentiment that bothers me, not her.

Yeah. It is so sad that the people of MODERN DAY SOCIETY view the homosexuals like they do.

To the point where they can't even get MARRIED.

It's sad. =w=

I'm personally against. It's not any moral belief, nor is the reason based on the Bible. It's just that something about homosexuality just gives me a bad feeling.

Why? (Genuinely curious here, not trying to start anything.)

I really honestly don't know. It's just that something about homosexuality just isn't right. And that's the best answer I can give.

So wait.. is it a "I just don't wanna see it" type of thing or...? XD

[sonoci]

...Judash ...

[Jd-]

I'm personally against. It's not any moral belief, nor is the reason based on the Bible. It's just that something about homosexuality just gives me a bad feeling.

I'm personally against deep-sea diving. It's not any moral belief, nor is the reason based on the United States Aquatic Diving Regulations Guideline. It's just that something about deep-sea diving just gives me a bad feeling.

(...But I would never tell anyone else not to deep-sea dive just because I don't like it.)

I really honestly don't know. It's just that something about homosexuality just isn't right. And that's the best answer I can give.

I really honestly don't know. It's just that something about deep-sea diving just isn't right. And that's the best answer I can give.

(See how personal opinions really don't matter unless you're personally invested in something? Would anyone involved in deep-sea diving honestly care about what I have to say? Nope, because they have the right to do it as they please. One day, we'll make it the same for homosexual couples. And yes, this post is meant to be a little facetious, but that's the whole point of this debate--to draw attention to how silly the whole "let's ban it!" movement is)

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I'd like to point out the bible is a socially interpreted document and is subject to current culture, like every other book and form of record in human history. (I would like to point that this has nothing to with claim of divine inspiration) The old testament mentioned someone being stoned to death for certain sabbath breaking acts (Numbers 15:32–36). St. Paul (for those unfamiliar, a pretty well looked upon saint covered in the New Testament after Jesus) talked about how slaves should behave. (Jd- quoted the verse above) Neither slaves nor stoning are well looked upon in a majority of the world today (but not all of it). The assumptions on which those passages were originally based  -- throwing rocks/crushing someone under rocks is an okay thing to do to a really bad person, and slave owning is normal and expected so that behavioral prescriptions are worth mentioning -- are no longer true. And that is to be expected. People change in 2000 years as a whole.

The followers of any religion which uses a holy text needs to be aware that the text was written for the needs and common ideas of an old people and that the codes of conduct prescribed need to be reinterpreted in light of the fact that the people the text is being applied to now are very different than the ones it was originally written for.

If you think about it, a lot of religious-based conflict and tension comes from culture indecision whether people have changed enough that the religious text needs a new round re-interpretation. Science contradicting religious beliefs comes up a lot. Increasing awareness and cultural tolerance too. Homosexuality falls under both categories here. Abstinence and "be fruitful and multiply" run up against the more recent innovations of contraception, public health, and family planning, as well as increasing cultural acceptance of pre/non marital sex in certain areas.

In any case, homosexuality in the US is already well on its way to legitimate minority status. Sure there has been a recent flurry of legislation both ways, but that's a strong sign that the institution-wide assumption that homosexuality is bad has lost its merit. Before, there wasn't a need for laws against homosexuality because the majority just assumed it was bad and legal and cultural protection were an obvious un-codified NO. The reason we see laws now is because that system is currently irreparably broken, and the only way for people to maintain the old system is to try to codify it.

[red.orchid]

@Morohovic: It's quite sad to witness people sharing a hatred feeling towards their fellowmen just because this and that and such which they do not understand why themselves either. If there is a why, then there will be a why not as well. Everybody has their right to lead a happy life, and anything works against it is never ever a good thing to acknowledge. You hate such fellowmen without even knowing why and you just don't care enough to spend time sorting out a reason either; I can't smile at it although I clearly don't hate you. I just hope education, man-made moral codes and prejudices will stop forming a bad connotation of homosexuality because it is just irrational and ridiculous to my knowledge to base on such things to mistreat homosexual people. I'm not teaching you at class or anything, I'm just saying out loud my point of view. I will love my fellowmen no matter how they are; even if they're different from me, unable to interpret my soul or not tolerant to my perspective. And this is my own choice.

[PhoenixTears]

A few other rules from the Bible:

Leviticus 11:7-8
7 And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you.
8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

So - no football. And no bacon.

Leviticus 11:10-12
10 But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales—whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water—you are to regard as unclean.
11 And since you are to regard them as unclean, you must not eat their meat; you must regard their carcasses as unclean.
12 Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be regarded as unclean by you.

No shellfish either.

Leviticus 19:19
19 “‘Keep my decrees.
  “‘Do not mate different kinds of animals.
  “‘Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.
  “‘Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.

And make sure all of your clothing is 100% of whatever material you choose. No cotton blends.

Leviticus 19:27-28
27 “‘Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.
28 “‘Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.

No trimming sideburns or beards, and no tattoos. You must all be hairy and undecorated.

@Morohovic: It's quite sad to witness people sharing a hatred feeling towards their fellowmen just because this and that and such which they do not understand why themselves either. If there is a why, then there will be a why not as well. Everybody has their right to lead a happy life, and anything works against it is never ever a good thing to acknowledge. You hate such fellowmen without even knowing why and you just don't care enough to spend time sorting out a reason either; I can't smile at it although I clearly don't hate you. I just hope education, man-made moral codes and prejudices will stop forming a bad connotation of homosexuality because it is just irrational and ridiculous to my knowledge to base on such things to mistreat homosexual people. I'm not teaching you at class or anything, I'm just saying out loud my point of view. I will love my fellowmen no matter how they are; even if they're different from me, unable to interpret my soul or not tolerant to my perspective. And this is my own choice.

Well said.

[sonoci]

A few other rules from the Bible:

Leviticus 11:7-8
...
8 You must not eat [pig's] meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.
...

...IT BANS BACON?!?

[me=sonoci]knows many around her (including herself) that would wholeheartedly be outraged[/me]



...I actually had bacon today in fact :I

[Jd-]

The followers of any religion which uses a holy text needs to be aware that the text was written for the needs and common ideas of an old people and that the codes of conduct prescribed need to be reinterpreted in light of the fact that the people the text is being applied to now are very different than the ones it was originally written for.

I understand the sentiment of your post, but let us also say this: Allowing free license to "reinterpret" by saying a holy doctrine "needs to be reinterpreted" is just saying "make it fit what we consider acceptable in a modern context" to believers, which should be considered very dangerous and magical thinking at the very least. I can see no reason to "reinterpret" the Bible. We know why it says what it does: it came from that age. We've grown out of much of it because it was so very wrong, in so many ways. There's no logical reason to consider or reconsider a single word from such a relic as we move forward in any other context than to learn from the mistakes of the past, instead of encouraging people to attempt to adapt them to a new age. That's the religious equivalent of Hollywood adapting a Victorian novel and setting it in present day as far as I'm concerned.

[GinRei]

So - no football. And no bacon.

Now that's just blasphemy.

[IHKF]

So - no football. And no bacon.

Now that's just blasphemy.

Funny how the stereotype for Americans contradicts itself. We're known for believing in a lord and savior (who bans us from eating bacon and football) and eating bacon and playing Football.

[ConansSideWalk]

Sadly, there are more people with the ideals of the old in congress. This is more of a gender thing, but many males are scared that if homosexuals become more vibrant throughout society their sexuality may be put at risk also ignorance. As for religion many of the figures like Buddha and Jesus were not trying to start a new religion. If you read what these people said (core teachings as I like to call them that still apply today), Don't just follow obediently, question. My path will not be the same as yours. You may not act on your lust, but do you have lust in your heart. Bacon wrong country. xD Football and Hotdogs/Hamburgers and a bad beer like Budlight or Coors light!