Homosexuality: A Survey

[Dwalin]

Religion has perverted its own meaning into anti-homosexual sentiments, and that is wrong, in fact, it goes against the CORE principles of the religions entirely, which center around love and acceptance of all people no matter what!  

I completely agree with that.

Look, you don't know me and you're wrong yet again (you're making a habit out of that). Me being the admin has nothing to do with this subject whatsoever. Nothing. You are not wrong because you don't want to debate--you are wrong because you can't support your preconceived, discriminatory viewpoints with logic, evidence, or fact and instead readily imply that others are in the wrong without ever offering a single shred of evidence as to why that would be the case. When confronted on those viewpoints, you backpedal and try to make everyone else out to be mean instead of addressing the issue at hand. That is why you are wrong and continue to be. If you believed the things I said were not right, you would already have an answer based on that belief that stated why I was wrong. But, you apparently do not. Do you not understand the implications of that?

The only implications are that I am tired of arguing and am not good at debating.

[Jd-]

The only implications are that I am tired of arguing and am not good at debating.

You have not yet presented a single argument in your favor and yet you continue to respond to posts critical of you at every turn, and quickly, too. You are already here, in this topic, posting on the subject, and yet cannot take the time to offer actual responses that would be dictated by your beliefs? It seems like you're dodging still. If you're not good at debating and tired of arguing, it seems you are acting counterproductive to your own self-interests.

[kyuuketsuki]

The only implications are that I am tired of arguing and am not good at debating.

I think the implication that Jd- is alluding to is the lack of substance for your viewpoint. The way in which you are arguing is one I have seen quite often, its the "I've been told that this is right my entire life and I have not reasoned why for myself yet, so I'll just go by what I've been told" style of argument. That is never a good argument. What you need to do right now, is stop posting here until you think and reflect on your beliefs and figure out why you believe that way. Mindlessly believing in something is never good, because then you are following beliefs without reason. It doesn't even have to be a good reason, it just has to be some reason of substance. Once you do that and figure out why, you'll have a reason and will have points for debate.

[mangaluva]

Protip, Dwalin: if you know you're bad at debating, don't debate until you've learned how. You can do more damage to your side by defending it with bad arguments than the other side can do by attacking it with good ones.

[Akonyl]

Protip, Dwalin: if you know you're bad at debating, don't debate until you've learned how. You can do more damage to your side by defending it with bad arguments than the other side can do by attacking it with good ones.

I don't think I'd agree with that. Debating isn't exactly something you can easily go off and learn on your own, if you don't get into debates you're not gonna get very good at it.

[PhoenixTears]

Anyway, the one who really despises and hates me seems to be PhoenixTears, not Jd-

Did I say I despise you? No.

I have every reason to, between the personal insults and the fact that you're opposing my beliefs on the grounds of "because I don't like it" not giving real reasons for it - but I don't. Despising you would mean I actually care what you, personally, think, and to be perfectly blunt: I don't.

Having zero respect for you and despising you are two entirely different things.

Quit playing the victim and fight the battles you started.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Protip, Dwalin: if you know you're bad at debating, don't debate until you've learned how. You can do more damage to your side by defending it with bad arguments than the other side can do by attacking it with good ones.

I don't think I'd agree with that. Debating isn't exactly something you can easily go off and learn on your own, if you don't get into debates you're not gonna get very good at it.

^this :V

[Dwalin]

Did I say I despise you? No.

I have every reason to, between the personal insults and the fact that you're opposing my beliefs on the grounds of "because I don't like it" not giving real reasons for it - but I don't. Despising you would mean I actually care what you, personally, think, and to be perfectly blunt: I don't.

Having zero respect for you and despising you are two entirely different things.

You say it in such a way as if I cared whether you respect me or not.

Quit playing the victim and fight the battles you started.

I would rather prefer seeing you bite at your own throat, I don't want to put my own under your teeth anymore. You are the only person here COMPLETELY impossible to talk to in a CALM way.

[Jd-]

You are the only person here COMPLETELY impossible to talk to in a CALM way.

Exhibit A: The man complaining about personal attacks saw what he believed to be a personal attack on himself and responded to the perceived personal attack... with a personal attack.

Brilliant.

[Dwalin]

Exhibit A: The man complaining about personal attacks saw what he believed to be a personal attack on himself and responded to the perceived personal attack... with a personal attack.

Brilliant.

Worthy of noting: while PhoenixTears personal attacks are considered to be just "perceived", mine are considered real.

[PhoenixTears]

You admitted that you were trying to insult me, so don't pretend you're innocent here.

I'm not the one claiming that everyone that disagrees with me is high and mighty, for example.

And I am completely calm, for the record.

[mangaluva]

Exhibit A: The man complaining about personal attacks saw what he believed to be a personal attack on himself and responded to the perceived personal attack... with a personal attack.

Brilliant.

Worthy of noting: while PhoenixTears personal attacks are considered to be just "perceived", mine are considered real.

Can you please give us one example of PT making a personal attack against you? One genuine example?

[ConansSideWalk]

[<-How I feel about the current debacle]
Dwalin, I highly suggest you don't continue to feed the fire by just avoiding the questions I can tell from their previous posts things aren't going to get better for your sake. People leave the man alone what do you gain from attacking him, which you are. -face palms- You can word it as nicely as you can, but look at your posts I just see everyone just ganging up on him. When kyuu brought up his issues with debate oh how you clinged to that fact. It sickens me I tell you.

[Jd-]

Worth noticing: while PhoenixTears personal attacks are considered to be just "perceived", mine are considered real.

So you do admit you contradicted your entire stance from earlier on personal attacks. Great to know--after all, I was just pointing out another instance of you contradicting yourself, so to hear you confirm it so wholeheartedly just makes everything that much better. You said she was "COMPLETELY impossible" to talk to in a calm manner, which is a far greater insult than anything she's said about you. I still haven't seen a personal attack from her targeting you.

Let me also inform you of something: Misconstruing something someone has said and creating an argument from it does not suddenly mean you have a point. You keep doing that, like implying that I said definitively whether or not Tears launched a personal attack on you (I never said anything either way in that previous post, actually), and instead only said that you contradicted yourself willingly. She wasn't the one who has been moaning about personal attacks and trying to stand against them--that was you. As a result, her potentially partaking in them is not nearly as meaningful as you doing so when you were the one who begged everyone not to do it. It's like a pastor telling everyone that gays are evil when he turns out to have a boyfriend on the side. Either stand for something or don't--whatever you decide, don't just pretend to.

[mangaluva]

All of this is going wildly off-topic again in any case... Is this not supposed to be a place to debate whether or not gay marriage and adoption are good ideas? I'm still unclear about where Dwalin stands here.