Homosexuality: A Survey

[mangaluva]

Ontopic and offtopic simultaneously!

[ProfParanoia]

Suddenly, I agree with Abs.

But IS Abs an AiCon or a Kaito Kid fan? I just want to know the reason he wanted to ban be even before this thread.
That's the last off-topic question.

I find it funny that he used "or".

[Callid]

I didn't read from pages 33-35 but I'm all for banning IHKF and Dwalin, have been since months ago really.

For what reason? It'd better be something major...

@ Parkur:
Same goes for you.

[Edogawa4869]

Ontopic and offtopic simultaneously!

That is VERY SMEXY.

[PhoenixTears]

But IS Abs an AiCon or a Kaito Kid fan? I just want to know the reason he wanted to ban be even before this thread.
That's the last off-topic question.

I doubt Abs. wanting to ban you has to do with whether or not he's an AiCon or a Kid fan.

I didn't read from pages 33-35 but I'm all for banning IHKF and Dwalin, have been since months ago really.

For what reason? It'd better be something major...

LOL, quote fail.

[mangaluva]

I didn't read from pages 33-35 but I'm all for banning IHKF and Dwalin, have been since months ago really.

For what reason? It'd better be something major...

XDXDXDXDXDXDXD

[Vylash]

I didn't read from pages 33-35 but I'm all for banning IHKF and Dwalin, have been since months ago really.

For what reason? It'd better be something major...

XDXDXDXDXDXDXD

oh god that's awesome

[Callid]

Fixed

Also, my question still stands.
(Though I cant deny that quote fail is funny XD)

[Dwalin]

For what reason? It'd better be something major...

From his answer in PM, I think he was joking.

[Callid]

For what reason? It'd better be something major...

From his answer in PM, I think he was joking.

That... is even worse

[Abs.]

Alright well this is off topic but it needs to be said: Callid, I believe you have a tendency to see bullying when it's not there. It may be due to the language barrier. Kleene sometimes says things that people see as harsh but I know she's not trying to be harsh. Perhaps it goes both ways: English-German, German-English.

Of the ones I've seen, there have been very few posts IHKF has made in this forum that were not intended to incite passionate disagreement. Her first posts in this very thread could be seen as innocent, but taken in context they are more of "come on, FIGHT! >:D " rather than "oh boy I sure am glad everyone's so civil! ^^ "

On the topic of Dwalin, I have already responded to this via PM.

[Callid]

Alright well this is off topic but it needs to be said: Callid, I believe you have a tendency to see bullying when it's not there. It may be due to the language barrier. Kleene sometimes says things that people see as harsh but I know she's not trying to be harsh. Perhaps it goes both ways: English-German, German-English.

Of course, it could be the language barrier, but Dwalin also seemed to feel bullied, so it may be more that I'm quite sensitive towards bullying, which is something I definitely know to be true - I've seen bullying from all three perspectives, and I've seen it a lot, and by now, I believe I'm quite capable of telling whether bullying is going on or not. It might be that I misclassify a situation of not-quite-bullying as actual bullying, but considering the former situation tends to develop into the latter anyway, I doubt it's much of a problem. Anyway, if I had been in Dawlin's (or IHKF's) position, I would definitely have felt bullied.

Of the ones I've seen, there have been very few posts IHKF has made in this forum that were not intended to incite passionate disagreement. Her first posts in this very thread could be seen as innocent, but taken in context they are more of "come on, FIGHT! " rather than "oh boy I sure am glad everyone's so civil! ^^ "

I've read them as well, and to me, they seemed more intended to mock the fact that everyone appeared to be so harsh and angry - which was exactly what I criticized a few pages later :x

On the topic of Dwalin, I have already responded to this via PM.

Is h. account accurate?

[nomemory]

Of course, it could be the language barrier, but Dwalin also seemed to feel bullied, so it may be more that I'm quite sensitive towards bullying, which is something I definitely know to be true - I've seen bullying from all three perspectives, and I've seen it a lot, and by now, I believe I'm quite capable of telling whether bullying is going on or not. It might be that I misclassify a situation of not-quite-bullying as actual bullying, but considering the former situation tends to develop into the latter anyway, I doubt it's much of a problem. Anyway, if I had been in Dawlin's (or IHKF's) position, I would definitely have felt bullied.

That is why it is important to tell when you feel that, preferably by PM as I know basically all people here would listen if they got a PM saying "Hey, I know we disagree but what you said is really hurtful" and even if they still think what they think I am sure it would sort itself out then.. But this is still a debate, debates can be harsh. But I really do think that it has been civil so far (except the latest pages )

Is h. account accurate?

For what reason? It'd better be something major...

From his answer in PM, I think he was joking.

If that is what you meant, though I really hope it wasn't

[Jd-]

TIME TO REDIRECT THIS TOPIC STARTING HERE

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WHAT POSSIBLE REASON IS THERE TO LEGALLY PREVENT GAY PEOPLE FROM BEING MARRIED THAT IS NOT ROOTED IN RELIGIOUS BELIEF OR PROMOTING YOUR OWN SELF PREFERENCE?

It can't be as a result of religious belief. There is no just cause for pushing your own religion's beliefs on an entire society by outlawing something like gay marriage. Not everyone believes in your religion, ergo it is not fair of you to push your religion's agenda on them by legislating against them in its name--especially in the United States of America where we have both freedom of religion and, by association, freedom from religion. By disallowing other human beings with all the same natural born rights as you in every other regard, you are proclaiming that they are not worthy of being equal to you, and that is wrong.

It can't be as a result of your personal preference that they cannot wed because your personal preference means nothing.

So, if it isn't one of those two reasons... What is it? What is the reason that gay people can't be married? I want a reason that makes it OK to BAN gay marriage, but not on the grounds of religious belief or personal preference.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Alright well this is off topic but it needs to be said: Callid, I believe you have a tendency to see bullying when it's not there. It may be due to the language barrier. Kleene sometimes says things that people see as harsh but I know she's not trying to be harsh. Perhaps it goes both ways: English-German, German-English.

Huh? I say harsh things/sound harsh? :V

About the language barrier:
If you compare English with German, German is more formal/polite (?). Like using "Sie" etc. is more formal than using "du". In English, both would be "you".
Comparing German with Japanese, then Japanese would be even more formal because of the suffixes "-chan, -sama" etc.
So maybe I do sound harsh

But about the "sounding rude" thing (sorry jd ^^")
I think some people could interpret all those colored (red) text and bigger text as rude. Since writing in caps usually means that people are "shouting", so writing bigger could be interpreted the same. Tho Jd- and others used that to point things out and make their post more interesting and wasn't meant to "shout" or to be rude.
And then there is also the way people write, their style. I seem to sound harsh (which will soon change into depressed ;_;). And a lot of people think that Callids post are harsh or rude too, tho he doesn't mean it that way, he just has "serious"/"strict"/"harsh" writing style.
Then there are also the opposite, where peoples writing will be interpreted as "kind" or maybe "silly".
And then there is also the level of English someone possess. My level is definitely way lower than Jd-'s for example. Not only is Jd- first language english, but he's also good with words. (I'm not :x And I know that XD).
And since this is an international forum, people will interpret something as harsh while someone else wouldn't say it's harsh yet XD
Like an essay would have gotten a good grade from one teacher and the next would give a worse, because they have different tastes. And when those are from different cultures, then... :x

Suddenly, I agree with Abs.

But IS Abs an AiCon or a Kaito Kid fan? I just want to know the reason he wanted to ban be even before this thread.
That's the last off-topic question.

Abs. is a yuri fan :x XD Tho that has nothing to do with wanting to ban you :x

I personally don't consider anyone who voted "no" as good-for-nothing, and would concede to them if they could come up with just ONE valid reason why homosexuality and gay marriage are wrong. So far, I've yet to hear an argument that wasn't misinformed at best and hateful at worst.

To be fair, the poll itself is just "Are you okay with homosexuality", so anyone can vote any way they please and I wouldn't give a damn.  It's when they follow up said vote with something along the lines of not wanting to allow it, not allowing the marriages, or somehow putting homosexuals below them that I get irritated at them.

Actually, this is what confuses me. Did Tawi say that he doesn't want homosexuals to be allowed to be married (state wise)? D:
I thought he just wanted to point out why he doesn't agree with homosexuality (so his personal opinion)

So, as long as someone doesn't agree, but let others their freedome, it should be ok?
Similar like Jd- wouldn't preform polygamy but doesn't see a reason to ban it :V

Homosexuals are still being persecuted! There is no "were" about it! This very thread is proof enough of that. And as I said before, nobody is gonna accomplish anything by sitting around and hoping for things to change!

Maybe they are still persecuted somewhere but not in this thread. Here they and their supporters are the majority and anyone else who dares to open their mouth gets attacked. What's the difference between being mean to homosexuals and being mean to those who don't agree with them?

Being mean to homosexuals is persecuting someone for something that they have no control over. Being mean to homophobics is attempting to change the opinion of someone who has complete control over what they are doing and the hurt they are causing.

You shouldn't be mean anyway. Being mean won't change their feelings towards it D: Could make it worse actually.
Being mean (aka, bullying and really harsh stuff) should never be used to change someones mind :V
Otherwise, it would be like "an eye for an eye" XD

And, by the way, I don’t agree with the statement that children raised by homosexuals never turn homosexuals themselves because this is sometimes encouraged in their adoptive families – that happens, and I don’t see that as a completely free choice because a child can’t choose by himself, the choice is made for him.

I'd be willing to put money on the premise that, in terms of percentages, far more homosexuals are forced into a "straight role" by their parents than the reverse.  Far, far more.

Even tho that's true, numbers shouldn't matter here.
It's wrong to force someone that's homosexual to be heterosexual as much as it's wrong to force someone that's heterosexual to be homosexual.