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Social engineering

Postby ten » December 22nd, 2011, 4:40 pm

Social Engineering as it relates to manipulating the popular views held by people on a grand scale (not as to hacking/security).
What are your views of the use of social engineering in U.S. foreign policy (past or present)?

You can find some articles on the internet regarding social engineering and the "Arab Spring" but there is even less material published in the U.S. mainstream media.  Although a supply of facts with documented sources seem to be in short supply regarding recent events, there does exist evidence (in particular, several different Wikileaks cables) that reveal this is not fiction.

The U.S. government never publicly acknowledges it currently meddles with the affairs of another country.  If it was involved in inciting revolutions in foreign nations in the past the government rarely ever acknowledges it publicly themselves, and when they do the media don't consider it a hot topic of discussion.

When U.S. officials are asked directly about the use of social engineering in manipulating the views of people in a foreign country (Iran, Egypt, Libya, Syria, etc) they simply have have no comment.

Recently, General Dempsey (chairman of U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff) was nonplussed when suddenly asked about social engineering (appearing on CSPAN3).  The reaction (to the question itself) from the event's moderator and the other people in room made me interested in what you all thought on this topic.
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Re: Social engineering

Postby mangaluva » December 22nd, 2011, 10:12 pm

When it comes to foreign policy, I don't approve. There are other areas, however, such as disability awareness or rape prevention, where I think it's a good idea.
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Re: Social engineering

Postby Chekhov MacGuffin » December 22nd, 2011, 11:24 pm

Like most tools it can be for good, evil, grey, and all of them at once at depending on the intent or in spite of it. Personally, I think social engineering is simply another way of saying propaganda campaigns. In foreign and political affairs, such campaigns have created great, expensive, and painful abuses both government and corporate in origin, especially in the United States. It is hard to draw a line between an awareness campaign and an attempt to influence public opinion. That said, the government should stick firmly to the awareness side of the line whatever that fuzzy line is. Similar campaigns from corporations can hopefully be damped by limitations on political and lobby expenditures and other laws for the public good.
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Re: Social engineering

Postby Toast » December 28th, 2011, 1:21 am

ten wrote:
You can find some articles on the internet regarding social engineering and the "Arab Spring" but there is even less material published in the U.S. mainstream media.  Although a supply of facts with documented sources seem to be in short supply regarding recent events, there does exist evidence (in particular, several different Wikileaks cables) that reveal this is not fiction.

The U.S. government never publicly acknowledges it currently meddles with the affairs of another country.  If it was involved in inciting revolutions in foreign nations in the past the government rarely ever acknowledges it publicly themselves, and when they do the media don't consider it a hot topic of discussion.

When U.S. officials are asked directly about the use of social engineering in manipulating the views of people in a foreign country (Iran, Egypt, Libya, Syria, etc) they simply have have no comment.



By the beard of Zeus. Hold on. Before my mind explodes.

You're saying the use of government power via social engineering is to start stuff like the Arab Spring? I was for sure it was started by the Jasmine Revolution. Activitists however have turned to social networking (ex: twitter, fb, etc) to organize and expand view points. This kind of thing isn't like what the US did back in '54 and such with the coup d'etat in Iran and Guatamala. This isn't the crap that the government does. When the US Government does "meddle in affairs," they do it with money and military training (Example: USAID, IMF, World Bank (all loan out money to such countries). And then of course there is Fort Bragg in SC, aka "School of the Americas" where we train "assassins" to do our "dirty" work. But that's besides the point.

It's just a theory like anything else. But the fact is, social media and the internet are way to vast for any one person to control. It's no different from the various books that are currently on your local bookshelf at the bookstore.
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Re: Social engineering

Postby aly_angelflight » December 28th, 2011, 8:31 am

Like most stuff, as long as it isn't used for evil, I don't care. :-X
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