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Is Gosho Writing Good? (Chekhov Confesses, Gosho held Prisoner in basement)

Posted: October 7th, 2011, 5:39 pm
by sstimson
A place to continue
sstimson wrote: First I am not going to ignore you and I try not to sound rude either. These are after all opinions, not facts

Being both right and wrong.

Let us try this. The reader should be keep in the dark but able to see what could happen in a few chapter. They should not be able to jump to the end at say I need they were the killer at page 12 ( unless the book only has 15 pages ). The writer job is to keep the reader moving forward and the foresight is a way to do that.

Chek, clues, and spoilers

Chek in her writing seem to make it look like that is the only way it could happen. As it is the only game in town and any other ideas to the contrary are not as provable, therefore they must be wrong. When this kind of thing happens and if the writer (Gosho) reads or hears any of the rumors, they may feel they have written themselves in to a wall and their way may work for the writer but suddenly if they write the way they were planning, it has become unsound and they might be feel forced to take the story a way they normally would not. It is then the writer has lose control of their story and may find it hard to get their story back to track.

On the other hand, if the writer has finished their work, then things and clues that people like Chek state and find can not longer influence the story and their work they becomes important as Easter eggs to hunt for. There is nothing wrong with theories as long as they are part of a forest of many different ideas and not the only one stated. I give an example - How Akai might have survived. Chek currently seen to go with the metal under the hat trick, while my new theory goes move the gun to graze the cheek trick. But of course my new theory shows how Akai could be Scar Akai and not Okiya. It to me anyway would be interesting to see her explore more branches. Like for example do what she does, but also add other but conflicting views, Like Akai is Sera, Akai is Conan(crazy but just for example), Akai is Okiya, Akai is Scar Akai, or even as Gosho has said and wrote Akai is dead. That opens loop holes and prevent the writer from maybe writing themselves into a wall. This is being tried in the court of opinion and it be nice to see the other side as well presented. I wonder how many court case where justice was not done because one was which might have been true could not explain themselves as the other side and so was handicapped.
As for theories being "the only way it could happen"...that's not necessarily the theorists problem. If Gosho is writing in such a way that analyzers such as Chek can pick up his clues and predict what he's going to do they're not "making it the only way it could happen" they're saying "this is what I'm thinking is going to happen because". If you've noticed...Chek have very long posts. She hasn't just said "Okiya is Akai. This is the only way it can be" and left it at that. She's theorized, revised, editted, looked over pages twice, cited her evidence, linked things together...and much more. She's done her work and her "reward" is people's belief and possibly it happening in the comic herself. Basically, in the end, a "good job"
And I would agree if this was a done work and not a work in progress. That would be true if DC was completely written and there was not chance of influencing the story. I read about how two different anime have ending a normal reader would not wish for and wish it could of happened a different way, but they did not. They ended in a violent and horror way. And yes the clues were they that they might end that way. Names of two of them in spoilers. Read them at your own risk.
Spoiler:
School Days, and Satou Kashi no Dangan wa Uchinukenai
I have read about certain stories where the writers were not allowed to tell their stories by either publicist, or fans. My point is a writer must be able to tell their story in their way without being influenced to change their story because of a fan who writes what could happen so good and proven that the writer is forced to change it as not to look foolish. It is a bit of if that had not happened, how would the finished product be different.  I know as the cases are so short, that jumping from page 5 to page 50 in Conan is unavoidable. but it should be possible to avoid jumping from page 5 to page 500.

This topic is about Ranting. Note they be less ranting if Chek words were not so well written. I know I am not as good as her in proving my case and so my case of speculation is thought to be crazy, but basically because too much speculation about what might be happening off page. Yet it does add a tree to the forest.

I hope this explain your question  
A question: how is Chek making Gosho write the story the way she wants him to? She doesn't know him as far as I know. No one is forcing Gosho to do anything (other than maybe his editors).
sonoci wrote:
Ah D: Sorry slider OTL Had a feeling the discussion was going off :V

So, sstimson, I believe I'm going to leave this at differing opinions so as not to waste anymore posts in here :P (I also need to write an essay so ehehe)
Moved To keep Community Villain happy (if that is even possible)
Note he even said they were "interesting...ideas"

Please Reply. I enjoy a exchange of ideal that are "interesting" Also note he attacked me not you. Not surprised, He done this before.

Re: Debate between Sonoci and sstimson and how writer write

Posted: October 7th, 2011, 5:57 pm
by sonoci
Oh, uh, I guess I should be honored maybe :V

But I have a feeling there's not much more to say xD We've got different opinions here...and there's that essay I'm procrastinating on


I might reply later, but it'd probably be something to do in PMs anyway rather than a topic :X

Re: Debate between Sonoci and sstimson and how writer write

Posted: October 7th, 2011, 7:57 pm
by Abs.
sstimson: You seem to be under the impression that Aoyama Gosho reads English fan theories like Chekhov reads DC.

That is all.

Re: Debate between Sonoci and sstimson and how writer write

Posted: October 8th, 2011, 6:00 pm
by Chekhov MacGuffin
Alright, I confess. I keep Gosho locked in my basement. Every time he tries to write something that doesn't match my theories, I deprive him of curry until he fixes it.

Re: Debate between Sonoci and sstimson and how writer write

Posted: October 8th, 2011, 6:31 pm
by Akonyl
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: Alright, I confess. I keep Gosho locked in my basement. Every time he tries to write something that doesn't match my theories, I deprive him of curry until he fixes it.
I should have known!

Re: Debate between Sonoci and sstimson and how writer write

Posted: October 8th, 2011, 6:58 pm
by sstimson
An INSIDE SOURCE. You need to mark all future work as spoilers

Re: Debate between Sonoci and sstimson and how writer write

Posted: October 8th, 2011, 7:55 pm
by Abs.
WHAT A TWIST! :o

Re: Debate between Sonoci and sstimson and how writer write

Posted: October 9th, 2011, 4:55 am
by sstimson
And your the one who tells me to twist my theories to the story. That is cheating!

Re: Debate between Sonoci and sstimson and how writer write

Posted: October 9th, 2011, 6:05 am
by Kleene Onigiri
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: Alright, I confess. I keep Gosho locked in my basement. Every time he tries to write something that doesn't match my theories, I deprive him of curry until he fixes it.
*imagines Chek as a dominatrix now* D:

Re: Debate between Sonoci and sstimson and how writer write

Posted: October 9th, 2011, 5:13 pm
by Kaito Lady
Akonyl wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: Alright, I confess. I keep Gosho locked in my basement. Every time he tries to write something that doesn't match my theories, I deprive him of curry until he fixes it.
I should have known!
^!

Re: News Alert: Chekhov Confesses, Gosho held Prisoner in ba

Posted: October 13th, 2011, 9:38 pm
by sstimson
Now it is easy to understand why Gosho needs so many breaks

Re: News Alert: Chekhov Confesses, Gosho held Prisoner in basement

Posted: October 29th, 2011, 4:31 pm
by Partsu
My god...she's...oh my...
and I thought she was innocent researcher of DC...
but for her to force Gosho to do what she thinks is right way...gosh...
oh dear...
What should I believe now? I..I just don't know anymore! *cries and tries to find something to wipe eyes clean in ladylike manner*
Spoiler:
you just made me switch to my 3rd persona (which doesn't happen often)
the others managed to make the 2nd one come out for few seconds (the fangirl-I'm 21 year old male)
but anyway...
thank you for freeing me from glutches of my 1st persona!
Mamapartsu
I hope none of you manages to get the papaPartsu get out...Or MadLlama...

Re: News Alert: Chekhov Confesses, Gosho held Prisoner in basement

Posted: October 29th, 2011, 9:13 pm
by sstimson
Spoiler: Possible manga spoilers
The predictably of the last case (wedding death) suggest that DC is possibly headed down the path where the fans write the story. And that is not necessarily a good path to take.But I still have a little hope. Note to all about the 100's myth. Find if you can any major story plots about the BO in manga chapters 100, 200, 300, 400 because I saw none. Only the last 100's cases ( 500, 600, 700) has he done it. And surprise! A possible Bourbon character in this chapter. Now if I was writing something like this and knew the reader was looking for something, I would give the the fake something and then pull the rug out of under them. It may be Gosho ( if Chek lets him) will turn to the side of good and write his own story, if which case he breaks off then 100 for good and only puts in a plot story when he chooses. Or it might be, this has become a fan written story and will rapidly go down hill. Only time will show the path.

Re: News Alert: Chekhov Confesses, Gosho held Prisoner in ba

Posted: October 30th, 2011, 2:19 pm
by pofa
sstimson wrote: Now it is easy to understand why Gosho needs so many breaks
You mean he's not really gathering data when he does that? D:

Re: News Alert: Chekhov Confesses, Gosho held Prisoner in ba

Posted: October 30th, 2011, 2:37 pm
by Akonyl
pofa wrote:
sstimson wrote: Now it is easy to understand why Gosho needs so many breaks
You mean he's not really gathering data when he does that? D:
well he's gathering some sort of data, just not for the manga. :P