The Political Compass

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Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.69

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svon, actually, in this chart, left and right refer exclusively to economics. Also, it'd seem to me as if you've more estimated your position than taken the actual test, considering that it's not an actual chart. Please do take the test, and give me the result of the coordinates. No self-estimating here :P

And on a final note - if we apply what you said to the axis it applies to, the vertical one, it is nonetheless wrong. Yes, Scandinavia in general is overly tolerant throughout the political spectrum, but that's simply because traditionally, they weren't really in the top layers of the chart anyway. For example, both conservatives and (mainstream) progressives in the US would end up in the upper left corner, and the political center in the US is somewhere around (5,5). In Germany, on the other hand, we have parties in the green sector (and one on the blue-violet border) as well, meaning the political center here is somewhere rather close to (0,0), especially now that the pirates are getting elected. Scandinavia is simply a bit lower still, (0, -1) or something.
And finally, tolerance in and of itself can still be part of an Authoritarian regime, if it is the only liberal part about it. For example, traditional (pre-1871) Prussia would be a good example. Even though they were the first ones to adopt religious tolerance (in fact, from around 1618 onward the king and his subjects had different denominations) and later early abolished serfdom, the king also demanded absolute loyalty and bravery, and it was, in fact, called "an army with a state" due to its focus on military. And, of course, you know, monarchy.
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svon1 wrote:
mangaluva wrote: Wow, Svon, I think you're even more right-wing than Cider.
not really  ???

because right is not ever right  ???

if were talking over an system like ancient roman republic or some parties in Scandinavia today
then tolerance is part of tradition  :)
means in some parts of Scandinavia left is right ???
and the opposite right is left ???

if were talking over right in case of a relgion that suck (for example christians and moslems and other fanatics)
then gay hating of stubborn idiots is the case (american republicans , saudi arabia ya know what i mean)


so its technicly someking of being right in the left :P

there so much left at the pic that there coming out on the right side again  ;D

but i am too for a free market
dead to terrorist (of all religions )
and f*ck all communist (that dictator ship will never work)
Not all terrorists are religious, not all communists are dictators. Though understanding what you are saying is kinda hard, proper sentences and spelling would really help with that.
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nomemory wrote:
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and f*ck all communist (that dictator ship will never work)
Not all terrorists are religious, not all communists are dictators. Though understanding what you are saying is kinda hard, proper sentences and spelling would really help with that.
The communist-dictator thing in particular is funny. Dictators are at the top of the chart. Communists on the left end. They are quite wildly different,and have only one tiny spot where they meet, the top left corner. It just so happens that the most influential communist (Stalin) sat right there, which is why people associate those two. It's a bit like thinking any position close to the left-right center is fascist, because Hitler (top middle) sat on that axis :P
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@Callid: Please change your quote, now it looks like I said stuff I most certainly did not say.
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Decided to try this... :x

Economic Left/Right: -2.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.05

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for example the american right are the republicans with dudes like lincoln and bush
the german right are the nazi with guys like hitler and rommel
the british right want the royal family as only goverment
so there´s  a lot  difference in right

right is ever base on a country
so different countrys different rights

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no to my knowlede there is not 1 communist country in the world that is not a dictatorship
if all people got the same then money has no power
so the next thing with power is the army and tada dictatorship 
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You're generalizing and being quite insulting. The Nazis were right to the absolute extreme. There are plenty of other right-wing parties that are not that extreme. The British right is the same; they're not just royalists. There's the BNP, who are the extreme right and insane, but there are also the conservatives who are much less right-wing but still right wing.

Also, there are plenty of non-communist countries that are also dictatorships.

Please don't treat politics as a black and white good and evil struggle. Aside from insane ones like the BNP (and the more benevolently insane like the Monster Raving Loony Party), both sides tend to have legitimate points that need to be debated, otherwise there'd be no point in democracy.
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@svon1 regarding the communist and dictatorship thing:
You should understand that each form of political system that the world has known functions well in its own way. All of these systems have its strengths and flaws, and many people do not delve in deep enough to see how they work sometimes. However, in all of these systems, if someone or some group decides to abuse the system in their own state for their own good OR if a group doesn't do what they are meant to do within that system, then it won't work out well.

And the "right" you're thinking of is not the same as the one in this quiz, which has to do solely with economics, not political stance.

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Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.00
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Callid wrote: It just so happens that the most influential communist (Stalin) sat right there
Fun fact, according to a chart that used this test, Pol Pot was almost the exact Left/Top Corner.
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blurfbreg wrote: @svon1 regarding the communist and dictatorship thing:
You should understand that each form of political system that the world has known functions well in its own way. All of these systems have its strengths and flaws, and many people do not delve in deep enough to see how they work sometimes. However, in all of these systems, if someone or some group decides to abuse the system in their own state for their own good OR if a group doesn't do what they are meant to do within that system, then it won't work out well.

And the "right" you're thinking of is not the same as the one in this quiz, which has to do solely with economics, not political stance.

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Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.00

my mother comes from romania (she left it after the civil war of 1989) so shut up
the dictator there sold everything to other countries  so the people have to hunger
the people waited in large lines infront of the stores (with food brands)
and sometimes the bread they became  was so hard so need to break it with a hacksaw(no joke)
when they wanted to eat it they have to put it into water
one time the son of the dictator stab with a knife in the hand of an Olympic athletes just because he didnt want to work as a waiter for him ( it ruined the carrier )
believe me communist sucks dude


and p.s. in case of a market i am totally right
means so much more free the market is so much better
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^ Come on, be nice!!! You don't have to be rude and tell people to shut up just because they're explaining their point of view. From what you wrote I get it that you stand strongly by your beliefs, but we all have the right to have a different opinion from yours. Just choose your words a little better when addressing someone. I'm sorry if it bothers you that i'm telling you this.


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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.31
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I would say that communism hasn't worked out well, taking Soviet Russia and Mao's China as two prime examples. But that doesn't mean everything about it is bad. In general everything tends to have good and bad points. Also I would say that rather than communism being bad (because those countries didn't really follow what I'd call real communism, at least the leaders didn't) I'd say that having dictators is bad no matter what political view they claim they are following.

And I am sorry about your mother but that is no excuse to be rude.
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Oppression is terrible, svon, but that gives you no right to be rude to others or to assume that that automatically makes you right about everything. We have these things called opinions which are fine to share so long as you're not shoving them down people's throats or using them to cause actual physical harm. You're doing the throat-shoving part right now. Relax.
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is shut up really so rude ?

my small drug dealing city must have way to much insults on a "normal day" :-\

but at least they arent communist ;)

p.s. nomemory

thats wrong what you mean is Socialism

communism means to turn countries to extreme Socialism by military force
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