Is Gosho Writing Good? (Chekhov Confesses, Gosho held Prisoner in basement)

[Vylash]

Yu Mo Gui Gwai Fai Di Zao!

Yu Mo Gui Gwai Fai Di Zao!

Yu Mo Gui Gwai Fai Di Zao!

[Kaito Lady]

whats got into parkur?


@slider: XD

[mangaluva]

THE SPIRIT OF THE DRAGON.


(I forgot what it actually is. It's been a long time.)

[sstimson]

Okay Clueless Mystery might seem to be what I want, and yes look up Twist Ending on that same site. That is really what I want. And At least I think the twist of Bourbon turning out to be a test, would not destroy DC. All that takes is a reason to keep KIR alive which I believe is for feeding the mole reasons, and the BO to test the loyalty of KIR by give her some Intel that could be true ,but is more likely false, and then BAM Bourbon was just a red herring and a lot of readers fell for it while setting up something that no one see coming because Bourbon was set up as misdirection so well, that all the readers are looking for a person who was never there. David Copperfield would be proud. A challenge if any one dares. Put aside your preconceived notions and think my way: that Bourbon does not exist, then with the smoke cleared away, see if you can see anything else Gosho might be up to. After all to me anyway a mystery should be like a magic trick, seeing the impossible while seeing what really is happening, and having no clear notion about what just happened until the reveal.

You are aware that you are contradicting yourself in almost every post, right?

How

I only play like Bourbon exist. My three still stand. Scar is Akai, come back from the states after escaping his keepers
Okiya is Yusuka doing, Bourbon does not exist.
And this thread is basically about whether DC is a good mystery and whether Gosho is a good writer of mysterys and has the necessary twist and turns, or is he a bad writers the Dc is now predictable, and Kslider will soon publish the Book " Evenything you need to know about Detective Conan: Past and Future. "

And I was comparing a good mystery to a magic act.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I vote we make this thread about Detective Conan conspiracy theories.

Mitsuhiko's mom and dad are really Vermouth and the Boss. All DB cases are plot. Thought I'd throw that one out there.

[kkslider5552000]

Conan is the reincarnation of Jackie Chan.

[sstimson]

Conan is the reincarnation of Jackie Chan.

This thread started because you ask me to leave, now if all you are going to do is joke off topic, please start your own thread and post that statement there.

I vote we make this thread about Detective Conan conspiracy theories.

Mitsuhiko's mom and dad are really Vermouth and the Boss. All DB cases are plot. Thought I'd throw that one out there.

You are welcome to do as you wish on your thread, but this is about

And this thread is basically about whether DC is a good mystery and whether Gosho is a good writer of mysterys and has the necessary twist and turns, or is he a bad writers the Dc is now predictable, and Kslider will soon publish the Book " Evenything you need to know about Detective Conan: Past and Future. "

[sonoci]

And I was comparing a good mystery to a magic act.

This is part of what is making your posts contradictory, actually xD

It's like comparing cats to dogs, in a sense.

Your magic trick comparison actually works against you since "magicians don't reveal their tricks" along with the fact that Conan has figured out actual magic tricks in his series before the trick even truly began. Magic tricks are actually a case of "You will not learn the truth behind a magic trick unless you go looking for it. No one is going to (or at least they shouldn't) tell you how a trick works".

[sstimson]

And I was comparing a good mystery to a magic act.

This is part of what is making your posts contradictory, actually xD

It's like comparing cats to dogs, in a sense.

Your magic trick comparison actually works against you since "magicians don't reveal their tricks" along with the fact that Conan has figured out actual magic tricks in his series before the trick even truly began. Magic tricks are actually a case of "You will not learn the truth behind a magic trick unless you go looking for it. No one is going to (or at least they shouldn't) tell you how a trick works".

Okay that part I see your point. But what I meant was how it is done. When you watch a magic trick, you are misdirected. You believe something so strongly to be true, but if you knew how the trick works, you would know you have been fooled into believing a lie

Spoiler:

Floor is solid, Box is Solid, The Magician is securely locked up

While looking and in theory seeing the truth.

A good writer does that. They misdirect you into believing the lie and sometimes they lay out several lies so you can playing the game of finding the tree(truth) in a forest.
You right About that part of magic tricks. I meant how it done, not the result.

[Vylash]

Conan is the reincarnation of Jackie Chan.

so ah le le = bad day?

[Kor]

Okay that part I see your point. But what I meant was how it is done. When you watch a magic trick, you are misdirected. You believe something so strongly to be true, but if you knew how the trick works, you would know you have been fooled into believing a lie

Spoiler:

Floor is solid, Box is Solid, The Magician is securely locked up

Yes, if you are a 5 years old, that would be the case, but since it is obvious to ALL OF US that a magic trick is nothing more but a trick, you don't need to know HOW the trick works in order to know that it's actually a trick.
"Oh no, I don't know how that magician did it..........so obviously I think he has magical powers!"

A good writer does that. They misdirect you into believing the lie and sometimes they lay out several lies so you can playing the game of finding the tree(truth) in a forest.
You right About that part of magic tricks. I meant how it done, not the result.

Good writers do this, good writers do that - do you have some sort of examples to support your arguments?


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And now this awesome YouTube video! (has nothing to do with magic, though)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mghhLqu31cQ

[sonoci]

and sometimes they lay out several lies so you can playing the game of finding the tree(truth) in a forest.

So in essence you're saying that there's a game being played where you have to find the truth?

...Alright, let's stick with that analogy. A mystery is like a game where you have to find a certain tree in a forest. To further get at my point, let's say the tree you're trying to find can be identified by cutting it down and you can only cut at that tree once a week (as in, the files being released)

Though, it's funny you use the word game.

The "Clueless Mystery" is a work where the author writes a mystery where it "isn't intended to be participatory at all" and "the reader is expected to simply come along for the ride". These types of mysteries make "no effort...to provide the clues needed to solve the mystery" and many fans who view mysteries as a game to take part in using logical thinking to (essentially) deduce the puzzle at the heart of the story "[feel] cheated in a game that the author wasn't really taking part in"

...Especially with what I said before, the bolded specifically. As it points out above and as you yourself have pointed out, the mystery can be thought of as a game. ...How would you play a mystery like it were a game?

Simple: it'd be a Fair Play Whodunit

Detective Conan is a Fair Play Whodunit, where the readers are given "all of the clues necessary to solve the mystery at the same time as, or even before, the fictional detective"

It does seem that Chek would find the mysteries easy, but as far as I can tell, she's having fun doing all this speculating.

...hardcore theorists who got everything right get their reward when the scenario plays out just like they thought.

So...With all that in mind, Chek has been playing this game. She's been having fun, "hacking away at the tree", and soon that tree may finally fall down. Will she be right? Many think so, but we won't know until the "game" has ended and she can see the "tree" when it's been "cut down." If she's right, she'll get her reward for not only playing the game, but winning it.

Here's my question: is the game you're thinking of fair? ...Or...

As an analogy, pretend you made up a game and invited a friend to play it with you. You tell them the rules and you start. But soon, your friend starts to beat you. So, at the last move, you utterly trump them with some "rule" that you "forgot to tell them about" when really you just made it up.

Is it like the above? Is it really a game for many to play, or just for one as a game of deceit? 

[sstimson]

Okay that part I see your point. But what I meant was how it is done. When you watch a magic trick, you are misdirected. You believe something so strongly to be true, but if you knew how the trick works, you would know you have been fooled into believing a lie

Spoiler:

Floor is solid, Box is Solid, The Magician is securely locked up

Yes, if you are a 5 years old, that would be the case, but since it is obvious to ALL OF US that a magic trick is nothing more but a trick, you don't need to know HOW the trick works in order to know that it's actually a trick.
"Oh no, I don't know how that magician did it..........so obviously I think he has magical powers!"

A good writer does that. They misdirect you into believing the lie and sometimes they lay out several lies so you can playing the game of finding the tree(truth) in a forest.
You right About that part of magic tricks. I meant how it done, not the result.

Good writers do this, good writers do that - do you have some sort of examples to support your arguments?

Part One: Yes we all know it is a trick but for lack of a better word, that does not make it any less magical when they do the trick right?

Part Two: Yes you might say I do. Look at how Mystery writers like AC do things. I sure I can find other mystery writer to use, but I know AC works the best.

[Abs.]

And this thread is basically about whether DC is a good mystery and whether Gosho is a good writer of mysterys and has the necessary twist and turns, or is he a bad writers the Dc is now predictable, and Kslider will soon publish the Book " Evenything you need to know about Detective Conan: Past and Future. "

Translation: If Gosho writes as if my theories are true, he is a good writer. If he doesn't, he is a bad writer.

[sstimson]

and sometimes they lay out several lies so you can playing the game of finding the tree(truth) in a forest.

So in essence you're saying that there's a game being played where you have to find the truth?

...Alright, let's stick with that analogy. A mystery is like a game where you have to find a certain tree in a forest. To further get at my point, let's say the tree you're trying to find can be identified by cutting it down and you can only cut at that tree once a week (as in, the files being released)

Though, it's funny you use the word game.

The "Clueless Mystery" is a work where the author writes a mystery where it "isn't intended to be participatory at all" and "the reader is expected to simply come along for the ride". These types of mysteries make "no effort...to provide the clues needed to solve the mystery" and many fans who view mysteries as a game to take part in using logical thinking to (essentially) deduce the puzzle at the heart of the story "[feel] cheated in a game that the author wasn't really taking part in"

...Especially with what I said before, the bolded specifically. As it points out above and as you yourself have pointed out, the mystery can be thought of as a game. ...How would you play a mystery like it were a game?

Simple: it'd be a Fair Play Whodunit

Detective Conan is a Fair Play Whodunit, where the readers are given "all of the clues necessary to solve the mystery at the same time as, or even before, the fictional detective"

It does seem that Chek would find the mysteries easy, but as far as I can tell, she's having fun doing all this speculating.

...hardcore theorists who got everything right get their reward when the scenario plays out just like they thought.

So...With all that in mind, Chek has been playing this game. She's been having fun, "hacking away at the tree", and soon that tree may finally fall down. Will she be right? Many think so, but we won't know until the "game" has ended and she can see the "tree" when it's been "cut down." If she's right, she'll get her reward for not only playing the game, but winning it.

Here's my question: is the game you're thinking of fair? ...Or...

As an analogy, pretend you made up a game and invited a friend to play it with you. You tell them the rules and you start. But soon, your friend starts to beat you. So, at the last move, you utterly trump them with some "rule" that you "forgot to tell them about" when really you just made it up.

Is it like the above? Is it really a game for many to play, or just for one as a game of deceit?  :-\

So to answer your question let me ask a question. instead of putting an axe to the tree, she is only allowed to put a red flag on it. Is it still fair, if the author enters the forest and puts say one hundred red flags on the trees , or it that cheating?

And this thread is basically about whether DC is a good mystery and whether Gosho is a good writer of mysterys and has the necessary twist and turns, or is he a bad writers the Dc is now predictable, and Kslider will soon publish the Book " Evenything you need to know about Detective Conan: Past and Future. "

Translation: If Gosho writes as if my theories are true, he is a good writer. If he doesn't, he is a bad writer.

While you might say that and I think I understand why, I would not. All I am looking for is him to hide his clues better or have a lot more red herrings. Back to my earlier question. Is the writer a good writer if after say 10 chapters of an 100 chapter book, you know the killer, the method, some of the red herring and why are fakes, and where the treasure is?