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[Akonyl]

No, it still shouldn't Because that's not what the test is aiming to check whether you can do that.
Same with basic multiplication etc. not being asked in English tests. Sure, that would definitely also help improve basic math, but that's still not what the subject english is about and not what the tests should be about.

You can also apply that to other subjects besides math. Lie you wouldn't get asked to name important dates that happened in history during english or during biology. Because that's simply not what the subject is about and also not what the students would study for (even it it is basic stuff you should know)

The difference is that while multiplication and historical facts aren't used everywhere, language is. If someone is writing an essay, then they are not only talking about history, geography, biology or whatever, they are also supposed to be correctly structuring what they're writing and spelling it correctly too. An essay or 12 mark question or whatever is *a piece of writing* so it should be written as one.

sure language is used everywhere, but beyond being able to understand what the person's saying, taking off points for spelling in any subject other than English discredits the student's ability in the subject you're actually supposed to be testing, and defeats the purpose of having per-subject grades in the first place (to find out what a person's strengths/weaknesses are). At the end of the day, students are better at different things, and one student shouldn't be graded higher than another in science because they have better spelling, even though the one who got the worse grade was a little better in it (but could never remember if I or E should come first).

if a student gets a word problem in a probability math class and answers with "Their is a 95.6% chants that there outcome will be X", and besides the spelling, the answer's correct, under no circumstances should the student get marked off for the answer, because it's perfectly understandable. Can the teacher make a note of it, sure, but they shouldn't take points off. Of course there's a cut-off point, because if the student writes an answer that is completely unintelligible and the teacher doesn't know that the student's trying to say, they can't properly grade it, but that isn't the case in the vast majority of spelling mistakes.

[Stopwatch]

No, it still shouldn't Because that's not what the test is aiming to check whether you can do that.
Same with basic multiplication etc. not being asked in English tests. Sure, that would definitely also help improve basic math, but that's still not what the subject english is about and not what the tests should be about.

You can also apply that to other subjects besides math. Lie you wouldn't get asked to name important dates that happened in history during english or during biology. Because that's simply not what the subject is about and also not what the students would study for (even it it is basic stuff you should know)

The difference is that while multiplication and historical facts aren't used everywhere, language is. If someone is writing an essay, then they are not only talking about history, geography, biology or whatever, they are also supposed to be correctly structuring what they're writing and spelling it correctly too. An essay or 12 mark question or whatever is *a piece of writing* so it should be written as one.

sure language is used everywhere, but beyond being able to understand what the person's saying, taking off points for spelling in any subject other than English discredits the student's ability in the subject you're actually supposed to be testing, and defeats the purpose of having per-subject grades in the first place (to find out what a person's strengths/weaknesses are). At the end of the day, students are better at different things, and one student shouldn't be graded higher than another in science because they have better spelling, even though the one who got the worse grade was a little better in it (but could never remember if I or E should come first).

if a student gets a word problem in a probability math class and answers with "Their is a 95.6% chants that there outcome will be X", and besides the spelling, the answer's correct, under no circumstances should the student get marked off for the answer, because it's perfectly understandable. Can the teacher make a note of it, sure, but they shouldn't take points off. Of course there's a cut-off point, because if the student writes an answer that is completely unintelligible and the teacher doesn't know that the student's trying to say, they can't properly grade it, but that isn't the case in the vast majority of spelling mistakes.

Meh, maybe it's somewhat irrational, but I just hate it when people don't bother to spell properly and get away with it constantly. With things as simple as 'there' and 'their' it really isn't hard to fix it. Words like 'onomatopoeia' I can get, but with other things they could at least try. Obviously it's different with dyslexic people and non-native speakers, but I'm not talking about them here. 

[Kleene Onigiri]

No, it still shouldn't Because that's not what the test is aiming to check whether you can do that.
Same with basic multiplication etc. not being asked in English tests. Sure, that would definitely also help improve basic math, but that's still not what the subject english is about and not what the tests should be about.

You can also apply that to other subjects besides math. Lie you wouldn't get asked to name important dates that happened in history during english or during biology. Because that's simply not what the subject is about and also not what the students would study for (even it it is basic stuff you should know)

The difference is that while multiplication and historical facts aren't used everywhere, language is. If someone is writing an essay, then they are not only talking about history, geography, biology or whatever, they are also supposed to be correctly structuring what they're writing and spelling it correctly too. An essay or 12 mark question or whatever is *a piece of writing* so it should be written as one.

sure language is used everywhere, but beyond being able to understand what the person's saying, taking off points for spelling in any subject other than English discredits the student's ability in the subject you're actually supposed to be testing, and defeats the purpose of having per-subject grades in the first place (to find out what a person's strengths/weaknesses are). At the end of the day, students are better at different things, and one student shouldn't be graded higher than another in science because they have better spelling, even though the one who got the worse grade was a little better in it (but could never remember if I or E should come first).

if a student gets a word problem in a probability math class and answers with "Their is a 95.6% chants that there outcome will be X", and besides the spelling, the answer's correct, under no circumstances should the student get marked off for the answer, because it's perfectly understandable. Can the teacher make a note of it, sure, but they shouldn't take points off. Of course there's a cut-off point, because if the student writes an answer that is completely unintelligible and the teacher doesn't know that the student's trying to say, they can't properly grade it, but that isn't the case in the vast majority of spelling mistakes.

Meh, maybe it's somewhat irrational, but I just hate it when people don't bother to spell properly and get away with it constantly. With things as simple as 'there' and 'their' it really isn't hard to fix it. Words like 'onomatopoeia' I can get, but with other things they could at least try. Obviously it's different with dyslexic people and non-native speakers, but I'm not talking about them here. 

Then the english teacher should motivate those people to try to write correctly. Same way math teachers have to motivate their students to take math serious :x

But usually, during tests you don't find the time to be 100% correct with spelling. Some people don't even find the time to write the words in a way that can be read easily XD

[mangaluva]

No, it still shouldn't Because that's not what the test is aiming to check whether you can do that.
Same with basic multiplication etc. not being asked in English tests. Sure, that would definitely also help improve basic math, but that's still not what the subject english is about and not what the tests should be about.

You can also apply that to other subjects besides math. Lie you wouldn't get asked to name important dates that happened in history during english or during biology. Because that's simply not what the subject is about and also not what the students would study for (even it it is basic stuff you should know)

The difference is that while multiplication and historical facts aren't used everywhere, language is. If someone is writing an essay, then they are not only talking about history, geography, biology or whatever, they are also supposed to be correctly structuring what they're writing and spelling it correctly too. An essay or 12 mark question or whatever is *a piece of writing* so it should be written as one.

But that's still not what the test is testing you on. So you can't take that into account for the grade. Otherwise the test looses validity.

*loses

I think it's just because your first language is a fairly ubiquitous thing to have to use. When you're at school in an English-language country, you're using English in every single lesson except probably Math. You don't use Geography in every single subject. I know a Geography test isn't testing your English, but if a teacher can't understand a word you've written, they can hardly mark your Geography knowledge.

[aly_angelflight]

IMO, spelling and grammar should be a part of every essay's grading rubric, but not to such an extreme degree where every little misspelling and grammatical error results in a mark down. Those who make some silly mistakes on accident shouldn't get any points deducted out of their grade, while a student who writes one of those essays like "Cats r valud by humans 4 companyon ship and thier ability 2 hunt vrmin and howez'hold pests" gets pulled down a letter grade or two.

[Akonyl]

IMO, spelling and grammar should be a part of every essay's grading rubric, but not to such an extreme degree where every little misspelling and grammatical error results in a mark down. Those who make some silly mistakes on accident shouldn't get any points deducted out of their grade, while a student who writes one of those essays like "Cats r valud by humans 4 companyon ship and thier ability 2 hunt vrmin and howez'hold pests" gets pulled down a letter grade or two.

well yeah, but that's because essays are inherently designed as tests of your writing skill, which includes spelling. That doesn't mean that it should be graded on anything that incidentally requires you to write words, though.

[Callid]

I'd also say that there are exceptions for particular words, dates etc. that are critical to the subject. For example, a music test might deduct points if Beethoven's name isn't spelled correctly, and might ask for his date of birth, as both questions are much more closely related to music than they are to language and history anyway. Similarly, a religious education test might ask for the exact numbers of theses Luther published, and might require you to explain the issues the Church had with the heliocentric world view, even though it's neither math nor physics.
But it shouldn't ask you to explain how these systems work, or ask how about the linguistic consequences of Luther's work, as those are part of different subjects (physics and linguistics, respectively). Basically, the critical question is whether the thing being graded is something that was taught in this class in particular, or if it's just "general knowledge".

[Stopwatch]

IMO, spelling and grammar should be a part of every essay's grading rubric, but not to such an extreme degree where every little misspelling and grammatical error results in a mark down. Those who make some silly mistakes on accident shouldn't get any points deducted out of their grade, while a student who writes one of those essays like "Cats r valud by humans 4 companyon ship and thier ability 2 hunt vrmin and howez'hold pests" gets pulled down a letter grade or two.

well yeah, but that's because essays are inherently designed as tests of your writing skill, which includes spelling. That doesn't mean that it should be graded on anything that incidentally requires you to write words, though.

That's what I was trying to say when I mentioned essays and 12 mark questions <_<

[Kleene Onigiri]

IMO, spelling and grammar should be a part of every essay's grading rubric, but not to such an extreme degree where every little misspelling and grammatical error results in a mark down. Those who make some silly mistakes on accident shouldn't get any points deducted out of their grade, while a student who writes one of those essays like "Cats r valud by humans 4 companyon ship and thier ability 2 hunt vrmin and howez'hold pests" gets pulled down a letter grade or two.

There aren't any students that would write like that in a test. And if they do, then they are dyslexic or have some other problem. Then it wouldn't be counted again anyway :V
Another "problem" would be the time. Usually tests are constructed in a way, that the time is barely enough for you to finish when you know everything. If they let spelling count, then they would need to have to give you extra time for the test too.

[aly_angelflight]

IMO, spelling and grammar should be a part of every essay's grading rubric, but not to such an extreme degree where every little misspelling and grammatical error results in a mark down. Those who make some silly mistakes on accident shouldn't get any points deducted out of their grade, while a student who writes one of those essays like "Cats r valud by humans 4 companyon ship and thier ability 2 hunt vrmin and howez'hold pests" gets pulled down a letter grade or two.

There aren't any students that would write like that in a test. And if they do, then they are dyslexic or have some other problem. Then it wouldn't be counted again anyway :V

There are no special accommodations for someone with a "who gives a d***" attitude.

[mangaluva]

Sorry to say, Kleene, but I knew people in high school who wanted to and occasionally tried to submit essays in txtspk. They weren't dyslexic, they were just morons.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Sorry to say, Kleene, but I knew people in high school who wanted to and occasionally tried to submit essays in txtspk. They weren't dyslexic, they were just morons.

That's what I said: they have "other problems" :x

[Borealis]

Elementary school. I think 90% of my social awkwardness comes from her.
I don't want to know what would have happened if she hadn't bekome pregnant after two years.

[breva]

almost 1 month late but whatever
kindergarden, that bitch!

[Akonyl]

almost 1 month late but whatever
kindergarden, that bitch!

this post is funny because I imagine a kindergarten student calling their teacher a bitch