DCTP Cat Family (Revival Has Begun, War Has Been Declared!!!)

[Raifuujin]

*goes next to KL, pulls out her own chair, and eats Junior Mints*

[Memesu]

I think you should forget the invasion for now and focus on helping the cats in China.


I wouldn´t post here if I wasn´t on your side.

[blurfbreg]

Wait... What's wrong with the cats in China?!?!?!

[Kaito Lady]

Wait... What's wrong with the cats in China?!?!?!

*points to all smity's posts*

[sstimson]

I think you should forget the invasion for now and focus on helping the cats in China.


I wouldn´t post here if I wasn´t on your side.

Wait... What's wrong with the cats in China?!?!?!

Warning this might get long

Spoiler: China helps feed World Cats

I feel I might need to explain

Why China?

First this FACT

Approximately 800-1,000 million laying hens are kept in China

Remember for Pasta, you need eggs

Chicken eggs frequently dominate as the source of the liquid component in fresh pasta.

As chickens are needed for producing eggs, you also get some chicken to go with the eggs

Thanks to the French Wheat Fields, Swiss Milk and soon Chinese Wheat and Eggs, soon billions of hungry cats will be feed!

So from all the hungry cats everywhere, Thanks for going to China!


Remember, There are hungry cats waiting to eat!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiHXASgRTcA

Spoiler: Chinese Cats as Food

[spoiler- Chinese Cats as Food, the horrible truth]

Taking China will be a CAT walk, after all we already got Japan and China is across the Sea of Japan, (or is it the east china sea).

Also Cat agents are already there and they be Dragons li. Also Cat agents of the Birman, Burmese, Donskoy, Japanese Bobtail, Korat,Kurilian Bobtail,Mekong Bobtail,Peterbald,Russian Blue,Siamese,Siberian,Singapura,Thai,and Ussuri Breeds are just waiting a country away.

All those cats are just waiting. It be a crime not to use such a ready made army for world good(?)

Another things. Do you know how the Chinese treat cats? Cat Food?

Explaining Cat food link - Cats become food for people, or people EAT cats

Spoiler: Cats as Food, the horrible truth

Yuri, as member of the same family, I wish to avoid any sibling rivalry. I completely understand why you think hitting China now is a bad idea. But any cat person would be appalled at the way the Chinese treat cats. Beside the helping feed the hungry cats of the world that the Chinese Wheat, Chickens, and Eggs will bring in, I feel Those poor cats that are being caged and sold just so people can save a buck / Yuan and they then cook these cats alive. The horror that those poor cats go through needs to stop and I feel it must be sooner and not later. By doing this, millions of cats might be saved.

WARNING! If you are a cat lover, this links might make you ill and angry. Be Warned!

Chinese Cats ( Warning, not what you think )
Barbaric Chinese cat market closed
Cat Death Camps
Chinese Cruelty To Cats

I hope you can now understand another reason why I suggested hitting china. Thanks for reading

Spoiler: Chinese Cats as Food, the Horrible truth Part 2

and we don't treat our bred cows, sheep, pigs and chicken like that?
I heard that before they get stuffed into cages, most of those animals get a great life, unlike what we can say about the animals we get our meat from.

You missed the point

Warning Intel from above links

Most often these animals are either boiled alive, skinned alive or beaten to death in a sack - From Chinese Cruelty To Cats

The cull of Beijing's estimated 500,000 cat population is certain to provoke international outrage as it comes just over a year after the Chinese were criticised for rounding up and killing stray dogs across the country. - NOTE it was dogs but now it is CATS. it is like WW2 with the Chinese as Nazi and cats as Jews - Note from me, the rest from shocking death cat camps



Those two should be enough. We do not boil or skin LIVE animals. And while we do at time put pets to sleep, the government is not actively involved and it is not on such a scale

More as above - The Chinese Government see stray cats like the Germans saw Jews - Something to send to death camps

Spoiler: Note in one of the below links Cat Food made from China is so toxic it kills the cats eating it

humm, sadly I don't believe you sstimson.
weapons would be used for hunting. not only to hunt wild animals, but also cats and dogs running around. Also china will now start fishing more.

thank you for making the problem worse, the mercats will now have to flee.
good job

No Fishing. Philippines and China to impose fishing bans amid standoff (Yes it was over Aug 1, but those fish hooks and nets will be helping getting more food, just no fish, too Toxic {see here,here,here,Chinese Fish kills catslink, Toxins in River waterlink, Poison in waterlink South China Sea Pollution, link, Slide show about Textiles and poisoning the seas around chinaLink

If that is not enough, just ask there is lots more. I would think the Mercats would like to stop the poisons and chemicals that are slowly polluting the Oceans where the mercats live. Not only that but with the clean cat tech we have, we could do the same textiles and manufacturing the Chinese do now without the pollution. We could clean up the country. That alone would bring millions of Chinese to our side. Why would they fight us when we bring a clean future and safe air and water?

Beside Got panda costumes for most of the cats.



The Idea is this. If Pandas are killed, the killer could get the death penalty If the invading army looks like pandas, no one would dare kill us.

Spoiler: Chinese Pollution threaten the very world and oceans we are on

If the invading army looks like pandas, no one would dare kill us.

Holy crap. That's genius. I'd still like to use my Iron man suit though...

0. I never said that,
1. China still needs more food (thanks to your advice) and will use every source they can find, this also means they probably will start fishing again.
2. I'm still fleeing along with the mercats, this pollution only gives us more reason to. It could kill them, I'm not risking it.
3. They might think panda suits are cute, but humans aren't that stupid and won't fall for it. Do you believe they actually think we are panda's if we wear fake suits? They are bound to find out, ooh, and then they'll be angry.

0)I did (bad quote)

humm, sadly I don't believe you sstimson.
weapons would be used for hunting. not only to hunt wild animals, but also cats and dogs running around. Also china will now start fishing more.

thank you for making the problem worse, the mercats will now have to flee.
good job -Yuri

Me -down (quote in bold)

No Fishing. Philippines and China to impose fishing bans amid standoff (Yes it was over Aug 1, but those fish hooks and nets will be helping getting more food, just no fish, too Toxic {see here,here,here,Chinese Fish kills catslink, Toxins in River waterlink, Poison in waterlink South China Sea Pollution, link, Slide show about Textiles and poisoning the seas around chinaLink

If that is not enough, just ask there is lots more. I would think the Mercats would like to stop the poisons and chemicals that are slowly polluting the Oceans where the mercats live. Not only that but with the clean cat tech we have, we could do the same textiles and manufacturing the Chinese do now without the pollution. We could clean up the country. That alone would bring millions of Chinese to our side. Why would they fight us when we bring a clean future and safe air and water?

Beside Got panda costumes for most of the cats.



The Idea is this. If Pandas are killed, the killer could get the death penalty If the invading army looks like pandas, no one would dare kill us.

1) Even Toxic Fish?

Toxic Fish
In China, Farming Fish in Toxic Waters
Toxic Fish Imported
Chinese Fish kills cats
Toxins in River water
Poison in water
South China Sea Pollution
Slide show about Textiles and poisoning the seas around china

(look at the earlier links to see just how polluted the South China Sea is)

2) you might flee the battle but if you do nothing and china continues doing what it does, even the sea will become unlivable. It might be time to take the polluters on, and stop China from polluting in the first place. But if you wish to show all that you do not care if your home becomes slowly unlivable, let me know and the Cats will move you and yours to clean ZOO water in France, and Italy. Let me know when you ready to move. Eventuality if China continues, ALL life in the OCEANS EVERYWHERE WILL BE DEAD!

3) problem with that is since the Pandas know we are their best hope for survival, several panda babies will be with our "panda" cats. Can they really tell the fake from the real?

Enough for now

Yuri, if you know a better way to help the Chinese Cats please do not keep it to your self like you did with Jd paying you a visit.

Same to you Meme and any others if not by invasion, then how do we help the Cats in China?

We can keep sending aid there, but that is like putting money near a black hole - it disappears without anything to show for it
We could also try putting pressure on the Government of China, but the world have done that before with no results.

Again how to help and maybe save the cats of China?

[Jefufuh]

I think you should forget the invasion for now and focus on helping the cats in China.


I wouldn´t post here if I wasn´t on your side.

Wait... What's wrong with the cats in China?!?!?!

Warning this might get long

Spoiler: China helps feed World Cats

I feel I might need to explain

Why China?

First this FACT

Approximately 800-1,000 million laying hens are kept in China

Remember for Pasta, you need eggs

Chicken eggs frequently dominate as the source of the liquid component in fresh pasta.

As chickens are needed for producing eggs, you also get some chicken to go with the eggs

Thanks to the French Wheat Fields, Swiss Milk and soon Chinese Wheat and Eggs, soon billions of hungry cats will be feed!

So from all the hungry cats everywhere, Thanks for going to China!


Remember, There are hungry cats waiting to eat!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiHXASgRTcA

Spoiler: Chinese Cats as Food

[spoiler- Chinese Cats as Food, the horrible truth]

Taking China will be a CAT walk, after all we already got Japan and China is across the Sea of Japan, (or is it the east china sea).

Also Cat agents are already there and they be Dragons li. Also Cat agents of the Birman, Burmese, Donskoy, Japanese Bobtail, Korat,Kurilian Bobtail,Mekong Bobtail,Peterbald,Russian Blue,Siamese,Siberian,Singapura,Thai,and Ussuri Breeds are just waiting a country away.

All those cats are just waiting. It be a crime not to use such a ready made army for world good(?)

Another things. Do you know how the Chinese treat cats? Cat Food?

Explaining Cat food link - Cats become food for people, or people EAT cats

Spoiler: Cats as Food, the horrible truth

Yuri, as member of the same family, I wish to avoid any sibling rivalry. I completely understand why you think hitting China now is a bad idea. But any cat person would be appalled at the way the Chinese treat cats. Beside the helping feed the hungry cats of the world that the Chinese Wheat, Chickens, and Eggs will bring in, I feel Those poor cats that are being caged and sold just so people can save a buck / Yuan and they then cook these cats alive. The horror that those poor cats go through needs to stop and I feel it must be sooner and not later. By doing this, millions of cats might be saved.

WARNING! If you are a cat lover, this links might make you ill and angry. Be Warned!

Chinese Cats ( Warning, not what you think )
Barbaric Chinese cat market closed
Cat Death Camps
Chinese Cruelty To Cats

I hope you can now understand another reason why I suggested hitting china. Thanks for reading

Spoiler: Chinese Cats as Food, the Horrible truth Part 2

and we don't treat our bred cows, sheep, pigs and chicken like that?
I heard that before they get stuffed into cages, most of those animals get a great life, unlike what we can say about the animals we get our meat from.

You missed the point

Warning Intel from above links

Most often these animals are either boiled alive, skinned alive or beaten to death in a sack - From Chinese Cruelty To Cats

The cull of Beijing's estimated 500,000 cat population is certain to provoke international outrage as it comes just over a year after the Chinese were criticised for rounding up and killing stray dogs across the country. - NOTE it was dogs but now it is CATS. it is like WW2 with the Chinese as Nazi and cats as Jews - Note from me, the rest from shocking death cat camps



Those two should be enough. We do not boil or skin LIVE animals. And while we do at time put pets to sleep, the government is not actively involved and it is not on such a scale

More as above - The Chinese Government see stray cats like the Germans saw Jews - Something to send to death camps

Spoiler: Note in one of the below links Cat Food made from China is so toxic it kills the cats eating it

humm, sadly I don't believe you sstimson.
weapons would be used for hunting. not only to hunt wild animals, but also cats and dogs running around. Also china will now start fishing more.

thank you for making the problem worse, the mercats will now have to flee.
good job

No Fishing. Philippines and China to impose fishing bans amid standoff (Yes it was over Aug 1, but those fish hooks and nets will be helping getting more food, just no fish, too Toxic {see here,here,here,Chinese Fish kills catslink, Toxins in River waterlink, Poison in waterlink South China Sea Pollution, link, Slide show about Textiles and poisoning the seas around chinaLink

If that is not enough, just ask there is lots more. I would think the Mercats would like to stop the poisons and chemicals that are slowly polluting the Oceans where the mercats live. Not only that but with the clean cat tech we have, we could do the same textiles and manufacturing the Chinese do now without the pollution. We could clean up the country. That alone would bring millions of Chinese to our side. Why would they fight us when we bring a clean future and safe air and water?

Beside Got panda costumes for most of the cats.



The Idea is this. If Pandas are killed, the killer could get the death penalty If the invading army looks like pandas, no one would dare kill us.

Spoiler: Chinese Pollution threaten the very world and oceans we are on

If the invading army looks like pandas, no one would dare kill us.

Holy crap. That's genius. I'd still like to use my Iron man suit though...

0. I never said that,
1. China still needs more food (thanks to your advice) and will use every source they can find, this also means they probably will start fishing again.
2. I'm still fleeing along with the mercats, this pollution only gives us more reason to. It could kill them, I'm not risking it.
3. They might think panda suits are cute, but humans aren't that stupid and won't fall for it. Do you believe they actually think we are panda's if we wear fake suits? They are bound to find out, ooh, and then they'll be angry.

0)I did (bad quote)

humm, sadly I don't believe you sstimson.
weapons would be used for hunting. not only to hunt wild animals, but also cats and dogs running around. Also china will now start fishing more.

thank you for making the problem worse, the mercats will now have to flee.
good job -Yuri

Me -down (quote in bold)

No Fishing. Philippines and China to impose fishing bans amid standoff (Yes it was over Aug 1, but those fish hooks and nets will be helping getting more food, just no fish, too Toxic {see here,here,here,Chinese Fish kills catslink, Toxins in River waterlink, Poison in waterlink South China Sea Pollution, link, Slide show about Textiles and poisoning the seas around chinaLink

If that is not enough, just ask there is lots more. I would think the Mercats would like to stop the poisons and chemicals that are slowly polluting the Oceans where the mercats live. Not only that but with the clean cat tech we have, we could do the same textiles and manufacturing the Chinese do now without the pollution. We could clean up the country. That alone would bring millions of Chinese to our side. Why would they fight us when we bring a clean future and safe air and water?

Beside Got panda costumes for most of the cats.



The Idea is this. If Pandas are killed, the killer could get the death penalty If the invading army looks like pandas, no one would dare kill us.

1) Even Toxic Fish?

Toxic Fish
In China, Farming Fish in Toxic Waters
Toxic Fish Imported
Chinese Fish kills cats
Toxins in River water
Poison in water
South China Sea Pollution
Slide show about Textiles and poisoning the seas around china

(look at the earlier links to see just how polluted the South China Sea is)

2) you might flee the battle but if you do nothing and china continues doing what it does, even the sea will become unlivable. It might be time to take the polluters on, and stop China from polluting in the first place. But if you wish to show all that you do not care if your home becomes slowly unlivable, let me know and the Cats will move you and yours to clean ZOO water in France, and Italy. Let me know when you ready to move. Eventuality if China continues, ALL life in the OCEANS EVERYWHERE WILL BE DEAD!

3) problem with that is since the Pandas know we are their best hope for survival, several panda babies will be with our "panda" cats. Can they really tell the fake from the real?

Enough for now

Yuri, if you know a better way to help the Chinese Cats please do not keep it to your self like you did with Jd paying you a visit.

Same to you Meme and any others if not by invasion, then how do we help the Cats in China?

We can keep sending aid there, but that is like putting money near a black hole - it disappears without anything to show for it
We could also try putting pressure on the Government of China, but the world have done that before with no results.

Again how to help and maybe save the cats of China?

In short, China pollutes our waters, has valuable resources that can be used, and kill and eat cats.

[sstimson]

In short, China pollutes our waters, has valuable resources that can be used, and kill and eat cats.

You might have forgotten Jews cats, and Chinese Nazis

Spoiler: Cat Death Camps - Bolded important parts

From Olympics clean-up Chinese style: Inside Beijings shocking death camp for cats

Olympics clean-up Chinese style: Inside Beijings shocking death camp for cats

By SIMON PERRY

Last updated at 17:15 12 March 2008

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Thousands of pet cats in Beijing are being abandoned by their owners and sent to die in secretive government pounds as China mounts an aggressive drive to clean up the capital in preparation for the Olympic Games.

Hundreds of cats a day are being rounded and crammed into cages so small they cannot even turn around.

Then they are trucked to what animal welfare groups describe as death camps on the edges of the city.

The cull comes in the wake of a government campaign warning of the diseases cats carry and ordering residents to help clear the streets of them.

cat prison

Doomed: Terrified cats crammed tightly into cages are hauled off to a meat market in Guangzhou

Cat owners, terrified by the disease warning, are dumping their pets in the streets to be picked up by special collection teams.

Paranoia is so intense that six stray cats -including two pregnant females - were beaten to death with sticks by teachers at a Beijing kindergarten, who feared they might pass illnesses to the children.

China's leaders are convinced that animals pose a serious urban health risk and may have contributed to the outbreak of SARS - a deadly respiratory virus - in 2003.

But the crackdown on cats is seen by animal campaigners as just one of a number of extreme measures being taken by communist leaders to ensure that its capital appears clean, green and welcoming during the Olympics.

Secretive: The compound at Da Niu Fang which is patrolled by security guards

Polluting factories in and around the city are being ordered to shut down or relocate during the Games to ease Beijing's choking smog and drivers are allowed out on to the roads only three times a week.

Fares on the city's underground network have been cut to just two yuan (14p) for any journey - a six-fold reduction on some routes - to keep people off buses, and beggars and street sleepers are being moved to out-of-town camps or given train fares back to their home provinces.

Meanwhile, taxi drivers have been made to attend lessons in how to greet passengers politely in English and a city-wide courtesy campaign has been launched to teach Beijing's notoriously dour and grumpy citizens how to smile and be pleasant to foreigners.

The cull of Beijing's estimated 500,000 cat population is certain to provoke international outrage as it comes just over a year after the Chinese were criticised for rounding up and killing stray dogs across the country.

Refuge: Campaigner Hu Yuan, 80, with some of the 250 cats she has taken in at her Beijing home

Animal welfare groups in China are already protesting, but their members fear punishment from the authorities.

Officials say people can adopt animals from the 12 cat pounds set up around the city, but welfare groups say they are almost impossible to get inside and believe few cats survive.

One cat lovers' group negotiated the release of 30 pets from one of the compounds in Shahe, north-west Beijing, but said they were in such a pitiful condition that half of them died within days of their release.

"These cats are being left to die. It is very inhumane," said the group's founder Yan Qi, who runs a sanctuary for cats.

A rescued pet showing clear signs of disease

"People don't want to keep cats in Beijing any more so they abandon them or send them to the compounds.

"When we went inside, we saw about 70 cats being kept in cages stacked one on top of the other in two tiny rooms.

"Disease spreads quickly among them and they die slowly in agony and distress. The government won't even do the cats the kindness of giving them lethal injections when they become sick. They just wait for them to die.

"It is the abandoned pets that suffer the most and die the soonest. They relied so much on their owners that they can't cope with the new environment.

"Most refuse to eat or drink and get sick more quickly than the feral cats."

Ms Yan's group has now been denied access to the pounds. "We do not believe any of the cats that go in there survive," she said. "They are like death camps."

Ms Yan said there was another reason for people abandoning their cats - the 200 yuan (£14) fee they face if they want to have their pets neutered and tagged.

"We have tried to negotiate with the government to stop the round-ups and to introduce cut-price neutering services so that people can afford to keep their pets but they won't listen to us," she said.

"They are not thinking about the cats. They just want to get results in the quickest way possible, by clearing as many cats from the city as they can."

Retired doctor Hu Yuan, 80, runs one of the few remaining refuges for abandoned pets in her ramshackle home in the ancient Long Tou Jing area of Beijing.

She shares her tiny home with 250 abandoned cats and has taken in 70 over the past 12 months alone.

She pays for neutering and food from her pension and donations. She said: "If I don't take them in, the government will kill them.

"People believe what the government tells them and that is why they are abandoning more and more family pets."

She said the problem could be traced back to former president Jiang Zemin for the crackdown.

"He didn't like dogs so he decided to have dogs killed. But there was a bad reaction from the foreign media and they were pressured to stop.

"Now they have stopped killing dogs but the new victims are cats. It is all connected to the Olympics."

Cats are regularly dumped on her doorstep late at night by owners frightened by the government campaign.

"The situation is very bad now," said Ms Hu. "When women get pregnant, the doctor will ask them if they have a cat in the house.

"If they reply Yes, they tell them, 'You must get rid of it, it will be bad for the baby'.

"I keep all the cats in my house and 100 of them sleep in my bedroom at night. I am too frightened to let them out. If they go outside, they will be taken away and killed.

"The government is not telling people the truth. Look at me. I live with them 24 hours a day, seven days a week and I am very healthy."

The round-up has been particularly intense in areas around Olympic venues and in streets and alleys surrounding five-star hotels where guests will stay during the summer games.

Despite the health warnings, the round-up of cats has led to a surge in the number of restaurants in the capital serving cat meat, according to Ms Hu.

She said hundreds of cats were also being sent to Guangzhou in southern China, an area infamous for restaurants that serve meat from cats and dogs and exotic animals such as snakes and tigers.

It was in July last year that district officials were instructed to begin an intense round-up of cats as part of Beijing's pre-Olympics clean-up. Now notices have been put up urging residents to hand in cats.

Welfare groups estimate that tens of thousands have been collected in the past few months.

The Mail on Sunday went to the cat pound in Shahe on the north-western fringes of Beijing but we were repeatedly refused admission.

"No one can come in without official papers," staff shouted from behind padlocked steel gates.

At another, larger compound in Da Niu Fang village, the sound of cats wailing could be clearly heard coming from a cluster of tin-roofed sheds, but workers denied they were holding any cats.

"There are no cats here, go away. No one is allowed inside unless you have official permission," a security guard said.

The killing of the six stray cats at the kindergarten - where staff at a Beijing cigarette factory leave their children - is the most striking illustration of the city-wide fear of cats.

A teacher at the nursery said: "We did it out of love for the children. We were worried the cats might harm them. These six cats had been hanging around the kindergarten looking for food.

"So three male teachers put out plates of tuna in cages for bait, trapped the cats and then beat them to death with sticks.

"We were very worried the children might try to stroke them and that the cats might scratch them or pass on diseases. We had to get rid of the cats and this was the only way to do it."

Christie Yang of the charity Animals Asia, which liaises with the Beijing animal welfare groups, said: "We are seriously concerned.

"We understand that with the Olympic Games the Beijing government is eager to show the world the city in a good light.

"But capturing and dealing with cats in such an inhumane way will seriously tarnish the image of Beijing and the Games."

Sounds like how the Jews (cats) were treated by the German Nazis(Chinese) to me,

Spoiler: Toxic Fish in Pet(cat) Food

From Now, China's fish are suspect

Now, China's fish are suspect
Scientists and others believe that many imported types may contain the toxic substance melamine.
December 24, 2008|Don Lee and Tiffany Hsu

SHANGHAI AND LOS ANGELES — Melamine in Chinese-produced milk powder has sickened hundreds of thousands of children and added to a growing list of made-in-China foods banned across the globe. Now, some scientists and consumer advocates are raising concerns that fish from China may also be contaminated with the industrial chemical.

China is the world's largest producer of farm-raised seafood, exporting billions of dollars worth of shrimp, catfish, tilapia, salmon and other fish. The U.S. imported about $2 billion of seafood products from China in 2007, almost double the volume of four years earlier, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

But industry experts and businesspeople in China say that melamine has been routinely added to fish and animal feed to artificially boost protein readings. And new research suggests that, unlike in cows and pigs, the edible flesh in fish that have been fed melamine contains residues of the nitrogen-rich substance.

Melamine, commonly used in plastics and dishware, can lead to urinary problems such as kidney stones and even renal failure.

Last year, pet foods made with melamine-laced ingredients from China sickened or killed thousands of dogs and cats in the U.S. This year, infant formula tainted with the chemical has been linked to illness in 294,000 small children and six deaths in China, according to China's Ministry of Health.

In the U.S., fish from China can be found in the frozen food aisle in supermarkets and is served in posh restaurants.

"China's a big place, and it does a lot of processing, and cheaply too," said Brian Dedmon, purchasing manager for the Fish King distribution plant in Burbank.

Fish King, which supplies hundreds of Southern California restaurants and has a store in Glendale, says it buys processed snow crab meat, squid and other seafood from China to meet market demand and because the price is competitive. Dedmon says the company relies on government inspections, its importers and its own experience to ensure the fish it buys is safe.

"We're definitely concerned about melamine, but by the time the fish gets to us, health issues should've been taken care of by the government agencies and brokers that we go through," he said.

Not on the checklist

But even though some U.S. fish importers are voluntarily testing for melamine, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, which is responsible for ensuring the safety of imported fish, currently doesn't require seafood products to be screened for melamine. Yet research from its own scientists has raised a warning flag.

Laboratory studies of melamine-fed catfish, trout, tilapia and salmon by the FDA's Animal Drugs Research Center found that fish tissues had melamine concentrations of up to 200 parts per million. That's 80 times the maximum "tolerable" amount set by the FDA for safe consumption.

Iddya Karunasagar, a United Nations fish-product safety expert in Rome, said the FDA's research suggested fish would have to ingest large amounts of melamine to pose a health threat to humans, something that he considered unlikely. But he said there were no data on melamine levels in Chinese-produced fish and animal feed.

Other scientists said testing of melamine in farm-raised fish from China should be made mandatory because of the dearth of information about melamine levels in Chinese feed and fish.

"That's the problem; no one has a clue how much concentration and for how long" fish from China have ingested melamine, said Jim Riviere, director of chemical toxicology research at North Carolina State University in Raleigh. "There's an issue of relative human safety," he said. "It would be prudent to screen for melamine."

An FDA representative in Washington wouldn't comment on why Chinese-produced seafood didn't have to be analyzed for melamine when imported to the U.S. Nor were FDA researchers made available to comment on their agency's findings, reported recently in the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry.

Research undertaken by Riviere and others show that melamine in feed consumed by pigs and cows is excreted in the urine or otherwise flushed out, leaving virtually no trace of it in the muscle or meat of the animals. But fish appear to be different, toxicologists say.

Fang Shijun, who has monitored the melamine problem for several years, says he believes that the adulterated products are being supplied only by small operators, which abound in China.

Like those who added melamine to milk and diluted it with water to increase profit, feed businesses can sell more by substituting melamine for real protein sources, especially with the cost of corn and other raw materials having soared in the last couple of years.

"It is impossible to calculate how many of them have done that," said Fang, manager of feed research at Shanghai EFeedLink Information Technology, an agriculture consulting and research firm.

In the U.S., aqua-cultured seafood from China can be found in restaurants and in markets that sell frozen shrimp, catfish fillets and roasted eel, among other fish. U.S. importers such as Boston-based Stavis Seafoods, which sells products under the brand Foods From the Sea, are taking precautions and doing their own testing.

"It's our reputation behind it," company Chairman Richard Stavis said. Thus far, he said, the testing has not turned up melamine in the catfish and tilapia that Stavis buys from China.

U.S. importers have for some years been testing for a variety of antibiotics and substances, including the suspected carcinogen malachite green, which some Chinese fish farms use to control disease.

Since last year, the FDA has been restricting entry of shrimp, catfish, dace, eel and basa from China unless those shipments come with an independent lab report certifying the seafood is free of such additives. Melamine isn't included on that list of additives.

The Chinese government, facing increasing pressure from the public, has begun to crack down on melamine suppliers and has widened inspections to include feed. And many Chinese exporters of farmed fish say government inspectors are coming around more often and examining samples.

But shipments of filthy and contaminated fish from China continue to be detained at U.S. ports, exposing holes in a food-safety system that analysts say is undermined by a lack of resources, corruption and unscrupulous businesses that will sometimes mislabel or reroute goods through other countries.

Last month, 26 containers of shrimp, crawfish, tilapia and other fish from China were refused entry in Long Beach and other U.S. seaports. Inspectors cited a variety of reasons: salmonella, unsafe additives, unapproved drugs and labeling problems, according to FDA records on its website.

U.S. consumer advocates say the FDA has its own resource issues.

"They're so understaffed at the borders that despite whatever orders they have, we can't be sure that products aren't just coming through anyway," said Jean Halloran, food policy initiatives director for Consumers Union, the publisher of Consumer Reports. "We need much better testing," she said, including of melamine in fish.

FDA officials last month opened three offices in China, part of a strategy to deploy agency staff in countries where many U.S. foods now originate and where they can work with local inspectors and the industry.

"We cannot inspect our way to import safety; we have to roll our borders back and work with producers and have [their products] certified by people we trust," said Michael Leavitt, secretary of the U.S. Health and Human Services Department, under which the FDA operates, during a visit to China last month.

A food-source issue

Karunasagar, the U.N.'s fishery expert, said governments in China and elsewhere needed to tackle the problem at the source. "More than the fish, we should monitor melamine in the feed."

But that's easier said than done. In the U.S., commercial fish farms have to use feed from a handful of approved suppliers, but in China, there may be hundreds of thousands of sources for feed, said Steve Dickinson, an American attorney in China's coastal city of Qingdao who ran a salmon-farming business in Washington state.

Melamine has "infected the whole system in China," he said.

More than 15 feed suppliers in various parts of China were contacted for this story. Most of them declined to comment or said they didn't add melamine. But some of them said the practice of spiking feed with it had been going on for at least the last six years, with inspectors checking some types of feed products more tightly than others.

"It is not so regulated, for example, in the fish powder industry," said Zhuge Fulai, manager of Lianfeng Protein Feed Plant in Shandong province.

Fang, the feed research manager in Shanghai, said adulterating feed was particularly rampant in 2003 and 2004. He doubts that many feed suppliers today are adding melamine, given the awareness and the government's publicized crackdown, but neither he nor anyone else thinks the problem has been eradicated.

"We still need more government supervision," Fang said. "We need to have more random checks and to fully execute regulations and standards."

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and how the fish other countries imported from China and made into cat food, kills the cats that eat it because it is too toxic

[Iwamoto Yuri]

please don't just say Germans sstimson...
It's kind of insulting to only mention Germans since there were many people who supported nazi's, not just them.

And china isn't the only place where cats are mistreated, think of our big lion, panter, cheetah and tiger brothers that are killed just for their fur or get sold as pets and kept in small cages?
And what about the crippled street cats that are killed once they end up in animal shelters because they 'don't sell to people'?
What about the street cats that, in poor times, were caught, killed and then cleaned to be sold as rabbits?
did you think about including them in your sceme sstimson?

[sstimson]

please don't just say Germans sstimson...
you know, I'm part German and it's kind of insulting to just say Germans.
there were many people who supported nazi's, not just the Germans.

1)I was editing that as your message came in.
2)I do not believe you are one of them, but some people deny the Death Camps where Jews (and others) DIED

While Countries like Japan, North Korea, and Vietnam might have had death camps as Well and

Other besides Jews List of Non Jewish killed in camps were killed,

Still it is a fact that the words Death camps and Holocaust, will bring Jews and GERMAN Nazi into mind.

However look up "Cat Death camps" on GOOGLE and except for one link dealing with cat death camps and not the Holocaust, all are talking about CHINA for the first three pages. There is one link Death Camp on Dixon Street dealing with a 'shelter' in the US. But there is a big difference between the two. Last time I checked, the US Government was not involved in a program of lying to the public saying cats are dangerous and all cats carry Disease, ETC, like the Chinese did. And their systemically rounding up all cats to either go to the CAT MARKET (Place where cats are sold to be meals for humans) or to CAT "Shelters" where they can not move around and most die because of being under feed if at all and under watered if at all.

And china isn't the only place where cats are mistreated, think of our big lion, panther, cheetah and tiger brothers that are killed just for their fur or get sold as pets and kept in small cages? And what about the crippled street cats that are killed once they end up in animal shelters because they 'don't sell to people'? What about the street cats that, in poor times, were caught, killed and then cleaned to be sold as rabbits?
did you think about including them in your scheme sstimson?

The Word here is SCALE. Other places do that on a smaller scale and not like the Chinese, who decide cats are not beautiful enough for the world to see during the Olympics. Notice other countries did not kill thousands of cats before their Olympics like the Chinese did. And millions of people find cats are indeed beautiful. The Chinese Government "suggested' that cats are nothing more than trash needing to be "cleaned up"

To make a statement, one needs a major event to happen. Taking China because of cat treatment, would indeed be a huge statement and should convince other countries to be nice to cats or this will happen to us. Yes we might hit a small country like India where they at times did hunt tigers, but still counties like China and maybe Russia would think we are so big that that could no happen here. By hitting the Big countries, we show Yes it could!

[Iwamoto Yuri]

What annoys me the most is that we act like we'll help but in fact if we 'invade' china we don't actually do that and China will still go on with it <_<

[Kaito Lady]

What annoys me the most is that we act like we'll help but in fact if we 'invade' china we don't actually do that and China will still go on with it <_<

we are invading it to help the people there!
we are not acting as if we are going to do so, WE ARE REALLY GOING TO DO IT and FOR GOODNESS SAKE STOP THIS NEVERENDING ARGUMENT!!!

[Iwamoto Yuri]

I meant in real life KL...

[Raiden]

Wb Raiden!

_Thanks!

sure! you just say who you want to be in the family and I will add you as such

Sure! I'll have chew on that one and get back to you...

<sub>Maybe Chief of the Department of Procrastination. Kinda suits me... Kidding. Kidding. Don't put me down for that...

Anyway.</sub>

[me=Raiden]bakes up some treats and shares with everyone. =^.^=[/me]

Spoiler: Tasty treats \o/

[Iwamoto Yuri]

who agrees that we should start a fund that helps mistreated cats all around the world?
(for real)

[sstimson]

who agrees that we should start a fund that helps mistreated cats all around the world?
(for real)

Sure, But some the of best ways is convincing others not to buy pouched goods(Tiger skins Etc.), To reduce the number of stray wild feral cats by supporting spay and neutering the pets people buy, and Showing the cheep skates that the buying and selling of cats for food will cost them 50X more then they make, and convincing people that Cat is not part of a balanced diet.