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xpon wrote: yeah.. we really should reduce what we used..

re use is way better then recycling ! because it need more energy to recycle and also it will cause pollution
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Using local stuff also help.

import stuff and goods will need transportation and that will mean more carbon wasted...

http://www.sustainabletable.org/issues/eatlocal/
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How to Take Action to Reduce Global Warming
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Get educated. Educate yourself about global warming. The more facts that you have, as to what mainstream science says about it, the more you can persuade others to make simple yet effective changes in daily behavior. Energy-saving techniques either are initially expensive (for example, solar power) or take extra time (for example, recycling), so many people need to be convinced that their efforts matter. Always keep in mind that you are aiming to demonstrate the benefits of these activities and highlight how each person can play a vital role in helping to reduce global warming. Remember that "civil society does not respond at all well to moralistic scolding." Use education to enlighten, not frighten.

Vote and influence your government with telephone calls, e-mails, letters and meetings with those who represent you in government. Learn as much as possible about the policies that you advocate before doing so; solving one problem often creates others. For example, replacing incandescent light bulbs with compact fluorescent light (CFL) bulbs has increased the hazard of mercury contamination in homes and landfills. Fluorescent light bulbs are still preferable to incandescent bulbs (see below), but one must be careful to recycle them and to not break them, if not mercury would be released. The push to grow corn for ethanol has contributed to higher food prices while saving little energy, if any at all.

Choose vegetarian or vegan meals. Livestock are responsible for more greenhouse gas emissions than transportation is. This is due to the large amounts of petroleum used in creating ammonium nitrate fertilizer (for the corn that they are fed) plus the cost of shipping that corn to the cattle and then shipping the cattle to slaughter and grocery. If one eats meat it should always be from a local source. Choosing vegetarian foods also drastically reduces agricultural water consumption and land use, and favorably impacts biodiversity. Vegetarian diets have been shown to promote good health and in most developed countries, eliminating meat from one's diet is as easy as making responsible choices at stores and restaurants. Other factors such as the means of production and distance that food travels are also factors in the total impact of our food choices.

Recycle more by using recycling bins, composting, etc. Encourage neighbors, supervisors, colleagues, and businesses to do likewise (15-25% of people do not recycle).

Use compact fluorescent bulbs. Replace three frequently used light bulbs with compact fluorescent bulbs and save 300 lbs. of carbon dioxide and US$60 per year. A standard compact fluorescent bulb will save around one third of a tonne of greenhouse gas, along with the cost of six or more incandescent globes. Consider using even more, and give them as gifts to family and friends. Donate a set to a local charity to refit their office with compact fluorescent lights. Remember that CFL bulbs do contain small amounts of toxic mercury. Therefore, proper disposal (recycling) is necessary to prevent any additional landfill contamination. You can also start looking into LED lightbulbs which have started to crop up recently -- they are even more efficient!

Fill the dishwasher. Run your dishwasher only with a full load. Save 100 lbs. of carbon dioxide and US$40 per year, or do them by hand with minimal water.

Use recycled paper. Make sure that your printer paper is 100% post consumer recycled paper. Save 5 lbs. of carbon dioxide per ream of paper. Decide whether something is really worth printing out. Leave a signature at the bottom of your e-mails reminding the reader to think twice before printing the e-mail. Make the most of scrap paper for shopping lists, notes, scrapbooks, telephone messages, taking notes in class, etc. Recycle your paper only when it has been thoroughly used up!

Buy locally made and locally grown products. Buy locally to reduce the energy required to transport your goods. The consumable products that we all purchase represent more than half of the average family's carbon footprint! If you successfully encourage neighbors to do this, store owners will be encouraged to stock local goods. Shop at farmers' markets.

Count your carbon. Keep track of your carbon consumption as a way of tracking your progress.

Support producers of renewable energy. Help spur the renewable energy market by participating in it. In the UK you can get 100% renewable electricity by switching to a company such as Ecotricity or Good Energy Ltd. Alternatively, you can buy wind certificates, green tags and stock in renewable energy companies. Many of these companies are new and small, and the stock is low in price. While many are high-risk, they may present an opportunity to help the company move beyond the initial stages of uncertainty and to enhance the viability of important, upcoming market niches. These companies may offer opportunities for great returns if they prove profitable; just be sure to do your homework first, as you would when investing in anything.

Buy minimally packaged goods. Less packaging could reduce your garbage significantly, saving 1,200 pounds of carbon dioxide and $1,000 per year. If you consider a certain products' packaging to be excessive, mail it to the company with your challenge to the company to reduce its packaging; include suggestions on how if you have ideas. Also tell companies that Wal-Mart thinks that reduced packaging is not only a good idea but also very achievable; this is likely to set the standard for many businesses in the future

Insulate anything that uses energy to stay a different temperature from its environment.
# Keep your water heater insulated to save up to 1,000 lbs. of carbon dioxide and US$40 per year. Avoid using units fitted with continuous pilot lights, and you will save AUD$40 and 200 kilograms of greenhouse gas emissions yearly. Also use less hot water. For example, if the shower is too cold, turn down the cold water instead of turning up the hot water.

# Be energy wise and insulate your entire home to keep down the heating and cooling costs. If your insulation is old or inefficient, do yourself a favor and replace it; not only will it reduce your output of emissions but it will also reduce your energy bills considerably. Consider the attic, crawlspaces, basement, walls and ceiling. If you have awkward spaces, be aware that cellulose or fiberglass insulation can be blown in by a professional contractor.

# Weather strip your home. Caulk and weather strip your doorways, windows and air conditioners. Save 1,700 lbs. of carbon dioxide and US$274 per year. You will discover that the costs of caulking are far outweighed by savings in fuel costs and increased comfort level.

Replace old appliances and reduce reliance on them.
# Inefficient appliances (such as refrigerators, washing machines and air conditioners) waste energy. Save hundreds of pounds of carbon dioxide and hundreds of dollars per year by replacing them (and having your old appliance recycled or disposed of properly). Many countries have "energy star" ratings on new appliances that allow you to assess the energy usage of the appliance. Check online before you go shopping to save time or at least check the seals on your fridge or freezer and replace them if they show signs of wear.

# While you're at it, reassess appliances that you really do not need to use, such as plug-in air fresheners. Try opening the windows instead (and throwing out that rotting fruit bowl) and replace with natural air freshener alternatives. Other items include the many so-called time-saving devices in your kitchen.

Use a push mower to mow the lawn. Use your muscles instead of fossil fuels and get some strength-building exercise. Save 80 lbs of carbon dioxide per year.

Unplug unused electronics. Even when electronic devices are turned off, they use energy. Save over 1,000 lbs of carbon dioxide and US$256 per year by unplugging them or switching them off at the wall using a power surge-protector (sometimes called a power center). Get into the habit of switching the power off before you go to bed.

Grow fast growing plants. Plants like bamboo grow faster and produce 35% more oxygen than trees like oak or birch, and require fewer chemicals and care. Make sure that the plants are appropriate for your area; prefer native over introduced species and do not plant problem species. Bamboo, for example, can be very invasive in most of the US.

Use public transportation. Taking the bus, the train, the subway or other forms of public transportation lessens the load on the roads and reduces one's individual greenhouse gas emissions by an average of 1600 pounds per year. Taking public transport removes the stress of long road commutes and gives you a great opportunity to read, think, and relax. You also save on parking money and time wasted looking for parking spaces.

Ride a bicycle. Taking the bike instead of the car is a very simple solution. However, if you experience such problems as lack of suitable bike paths, having to deal with congested traffic or hilly terrain, you are faced with a few challenges. They are, however, challenges that you as an individual can overcome with a little determination.
# Ask your local government to make (more) bike trails in your area and to make sure that bicyclists are kept safe from traffic in the same way that pedestrians are afforded this right. Get the local community behind you - a few neighbors, the street, or the whole suburb!

# If you have hilly terrain, there are solutions as well. Build up your strength with shorter trips, find alternate routes, or take a bus part way (many municipal buses have bike racks on the front that you can use)

Use your vehicle as a tool against global warming. If you can't live without a car, then use it in a way that minimizes global impact.
# Buy a hybrid car. The average driver could save 16,000 lbs. of CO2 and $3,750 per year driving a hybrid. Plug-in hybrids can save even more and one day may be able to give cash back.

# Buy a fuel efficient car. Save up to 20,000 lbs. of carbon dioxide per year using a more fuel efficient car - that's a savings of AUD$10,000 over a car's lifetime. Buying fuel efficient cars also encourage companies to continue making and improving them owing to increased demand.

# Practice green driving. Save gas and lower stress levels by being a considerate driver. Improve fuel efficiency by removing unused external objects such as roof racks, turning off your engine instead of idling for long periods of time (over 1 minute), and removing loads from the trunk/boot that are not necessary.

# Keep your car tires adequately inflated. Under-inflated tires can reduce fuel economy by up to 3% and are subject to increased wear and tear. Check them monthly. Save 250 lbs. of carbon dioxide and US$840 per year. A good gift is a tire air-pressure gauge as it not only saves money but makes driving safer.

# Change your air filter. Check your car's air filter monthly. Save 800 pounds of carbon dioxide and US$130 per year. Cleaning your air filter improves your mileage and reduces pollution because it makes it easier for your car to take in air and maintain a proper fuel/air mixture.

Use Refills. Try using refills instead of buying new jars or bottles each time. This reduces your consumption and is usually cheaper, too.
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sstimson wrote: One thing I find is there is way too much recycling ( Destroy the original ) and not enough reusing.

Example Bottles. You could in theory wash them and reuse them. I wish there were companies that collected bottles to reuse them for their original purpose. Water bottles being washed, refiled with water, and resold. Think of all the energy that might be saved by doing this!
but then there is hygiene problem. many people dont want to use a used things!
OfficialConan wrote: Hmm... Good question... Put it simple, we should recycle and stop using up so much energy! Get your lazy behind off that computer and go out and play outside! Turn the TV off and read a Book! Something along that line~
yup.. be more active and stop wasting energy right? but riding in your bike without purpose is worse then playing computer all day long :P
pofa wrote: It says my impact is "much smaller than average," but I don't travel much, and the reason I don't have a high heating/electric/AC bill is because I need to save money, not because I'm trying to save the climate. :l
well that is the good part.
almost all things that we do to help to save the climate will make us save money too!. because often, the problem lies with our living style!
c-square wrote: I think that movie is a very eye-opening one.  I've heard criticism that some of the numbers are inflated, but even if only have of what is said in there is the truth, there's still change that must happen if we're going to continue to prosper on this planet.  Those who have argued against global warming first said that it didn't exist.  Now, after the huge amount of data showing that it does, they agree that it exists, but is created not by humans but is a natural warming.  It's amazing what people will say to avoid changing their lifestyles.  And even if only a small part of the warming is created by people, we still need to do what we can to slow it down.
For our child and grand child right bro!. they deserve to have a much better world!
kate_49 wrote: ^I've watched this in a film showing in school.
it is a nice movie right?
i buy the original VCD.
kkslider5552000 wrote: I saw An Inconvenient Truth in the sci-fi section once. It was awesome.
yup!
blurfbreg wrote: I'd say that we should just buy/use less. If we use less, then factories runs less, less trees being cut, less trash to think of where to put, less coal/gas to use up, and we'll have less pollution comes out. Not sure if the corporations want this to happen.
using less and also made a smart choice. sometimes choosing the goods that we buy will gave a great impact!

sometimes, we buy some good that we already familiar with it or because it was imported, while there is another product from rival company that taste Almost the same but is made from local goods.
ProfParanoia wrote: Let me tell you about the climate crisis mkay. It's bad. The climate crisis is bad mkay.
but we need to act. not just knowing it. Act. change your self and help others to change too!
itsashleylove wrote: We should recycle and reduce our shower by 2 minutes ^^

On my shampoo bottle it says:
Did you know by reducing your shower 2 minutes you can save an average of 40 gallons of water / week
yup. and shower is way better then using a bath tubs
kholoudsafir wrote: well, I do my best, I re-use the shopping bags when I remember to take them with me, I try to re-use what I can, I do not soak in baths, just showers.....

it is nice to know that people care and try their best  :)
the mini mart in my country keep doing this and also using a green and eco friendly plastic bag.
too bad in indonesia, the used of paper bag is not familiar! only McDonalds who used them!
Callid wrote: Hmm, remembers me a little of how we had that topic in school (music, for some reason) and asked what we are doing in that regard, my answer was "no heating". Which is true - me room is kept warm heated up, even during winter, just by me, my computer and the light. Those three together can easily raise, if no regulating measures are used, the inside temperature to 25°C, even if it's -10°C outside. However, as my favourite temperature is 19.8°C anyway, a lot of aerating is involved anyway in order to keep it there. So, no heating for me.
this happen to me too. but i barely need any warmer because it always hot in here.

btw. i really happy that many of you care about this.
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You are also guilty of the recycle band wagon. Yes there are three R and they should be done in order. Doing only one is not enough. The three R's are:
1) Reduce. Reduce the amount of material. End Packaging ( A huge cause of trash!)
2) Reuse: Find uses for anything you can. The more you reuse, then in theory the less you need to get
AND IF THOSE ABOVE FAIL AND YOU SIMPLY CAN NOT DO THE ABOVE!
then as a last resort recycle.
BUT DO THE ABOVE FIRST IF YOU CAN!
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Some stuff in that list is... strange. Or so logical that it sounds strange to mention it :x
xpon wrote: Choose vegetarian or vegan meals. Livestock are responsible for more greenhouse gas emissions than transportation is. This is due to the large amounts of petroleum used in creating ammonium nitrate fertilizer (for the corn that they are fed) plus the cost of shipping that corn to the cattle and then shipping the cattle to slaughter and grocery. If one eats meat it should always be from a local source. Choosing vegetarian foods also drastically reduces agricultural water consumption and land use, and favorably impacts biodiversity. Vegetarian diets have been shown to promote good health and in most developed countries, eliminating meat from one's diet is as easy as making responsible choices at stores and restaurants. Other factors such as the means of production and distance that food travels are also factors in the total impact of our food choices.
Strange argument. If I reduce meat as food, then I'll need more crops. So I'll use petroleum for food anyway? ::)
And meat is important for body growth etc.
Count your carbon. Keep track of your carbon consumption as a way of tracking your progress.
This will be hard. I already breathed now. And again. And again. Oh noes, better stop breathing!
Buy minimally packaged goods. Less packaging could reduce your garbage significantly, saving 1,200 pounds of carbon dioxide and $1,000 per year. If you consider a certain products' packaging to be excessive, mail it to the company with your challenge to the company to reduce its packaging; include suggestions on how if you have ideas. Also tell companies that Wal-Mart thinks that reduced packaging is not only a good idea but also very achievable; this is likely to set the standard for many businesses in the future
This is good! But seriously. Where do you find such minimally packed goods? You can't buy them :V Since there is no such thing ::)
This is more aimed for the directors of a company than for the normal civilian that can't influence that. Of course you could theoretically influence it when you buy minimally packed goods. But if there isn't such a thing (or not enough) in the first place? :x

Replace old appliances and reduce reliance on them.
# Inefficient appliances (such as refrigerators, washing machines and air conditioners) waste energy. Save hundreds of pounds of carbon dioxide and hundreds of dollars per year by replacing them (and having your old appliance recycled or disposed of properly). Many countries have "energy star" ratings on new appliances that allow you to assess the energy usage of the appliance. Check online before you go shopping to save time or at least check the seals on your fridge or freezer and replace them if they show signs of wear.

# While you're at it, reassess appliances that you really do not need to use, such as plug-in air fresheners. Try opening the windows instead (and throwing out that rotting fruit bowl) and replace with natural air freshener alternatives. Other items include the many so-called time-saving devices in your kitchen.
Sadly not everyone has this money to invest :( But if you buy a new one, they are usually kinda "green" anyway, even if you buy a cheaper one.
Use a push mower to mow the lawn. Use your muscles instead of fossil fuels and get some strength-building exercise. Save 80 lbs of carbon dioxide per year.
Don't mow at all! XD
Grow fast growing plants. Plants like bamboo grow faster and produce 35% more oxygen than trees like oak or birch, and require fewer chemicals and care. Make sure that the plants are appropriate for your area; prefer native over introduced species and do not plant problem species. Bamboo, for example, can be very invasive in most of the US.
So... do they want to plant such plants now or not? O.o"
Use public transportation. Taking the bus, the train, the subway or other forms of public transportation lessens the load on the roads and reduces one's individual greenhouse gas emissions by an average of 1600 pounds per year. Taking public transport removes the stress of long road commutes and gives you a great opportunity to read, think, and relax. You also save on parking money and time wasted looking for parking spaces.
Saving time with public transportation... wait what? :V
the mini mart in my country keep doing this and also using a green and eco friendly plastic bag.
too bad in indonesia, the used of paper bag is not familiar! only McDonalds who used them!
Why not "textile bags" in the first place :V

@saving water:
Well... here in Germany they showed a documentary, that the water company had to use fresh, clean water to flush the canal, since people didn't use enough water and the canals would get damaged otherwise. :V


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Kleene Onigiri wrote: Some stuff in that list is... strange. Or so logical that it sounds strange to mention it :x
xpon wrote: Choose vegetarian or vegan meals. Livestock are responsible for more greenhouse gas emissions than transportation is. This is due to the large amounts of petroleum used in creating ammonium nitrate fertilizer (for the corn that they are fed) plus the cost of shipping that corn to the cattle and then shipping the cattle to slaughter and grocery. If one eats meat it should always be from a local source. Choosing vegetarian foods also drastically reduces agricultural water consumption and land use, and favorably impacts biodiversity. Vegetarian diets have been shown to promote good health and in most developed countries, eliminating meat from one's diet is as easy as making responsible choices at stores and restaurants. Other factors such as the means of production and distance that food travels are also factors in the total impact of our food choices.
Strange argument. If I reduce meat as food, then I'll need more crops. So I'll use petroleum for food anyway? ::)
And meat is important for body growth etc.
No mention of fish?
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Buy minimally packaged goods. Less packaging could reduce your garbage significantly, saving 1,200 pounds of carbon dioxide and $1,000 per year. If you consider a certain products' packaging to be excessive, mail it to the company with your challenge to the company to reduce its packaging; include suggestions on how if you have ideas. Also tell companies that Wal-Mart thinks that reduced packaging is not only a good idea but also very achievable; this is likely to set the standard for many businesses in the future
This is good! But seriously. Where do you find such minimally packed goods? You can't buy them :V Since there is no such thing ::)
This is more aimed for the directors of a company than for the normal civilian that can't influence that. Of course you could theoretically influence it when you buy minimally packed goods. But if there isn't such a thing (or not enough) in the first place? :x
This accurately exist, but there is only one place you will find it. Getting fresh fruits and vegatables. Do not place then in bags and do not buy them in bags. Maybe a fish or meat market might have unpackaged meat or fish.
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the mini mart in my country keep doing this and also using a green and eco friendly plastic bag.
too bad in indonesia, the used of paper bag is not familiar! only McDonalds who used them!
Why not "textile bags" in the first place :V
I think a better idea is to either reuse the plastic bag you got/used last time (reuse) or use something like a basket.
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I gotta say this:

Don't get thousands upon thousands of eco-friendly shopping bags.  That defeats the entire purpose.
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yeah... the Carefour is already using a "textile bag"

and one of the most heartbreaking fact is that in some country, opening a tap and let the water came out is already considered as a luxurious things.

we just havent think that a clean and fresh water is not that easy to get in some of the african country and some other place.

i saw a movie yesterday.
How Many People Can Live on Planet
it is very nice!
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Kleene Onigiri wrote: Some stuff in that list is... strange. Or so logical that it sounds strange to mention it :x
xpon wrote: Choose vegetarian or vegan meals. Livestock are responsible for more greenhouse gas emissions than transportation is. This is due to the large amounts of petroleum used in creating ammonium nitrate fertilizer (for the corn that they are fed) plus the cost of shipping that corn to the cattle and then shipping the cattle to slaughter and grocery. If one eats meat it should always be from a local source. Choosing vegetarian foods also drastically reduces agricultural water consumption and land use, and favorably impacts biodiversity. Vegetarian diets have been shown to promote good health and in most developed countries, eliminating meat from one's diet is as easy as making responsible choices at stores and restaurants. Other factors such as the means of production and distance that food travels are also factors in the total impact of our food choices.
Strange argument. If I reduce meat as food, then I'll need more crops. So I'll use petroleum for food anyway? ::)
And meat is important for body growth etc.
yup, but the amount of veggie we can consume wont as much as it need to grow a cattle into a cow.

and using local is really help!.

eating stuff that imported from others country means that you have waste many carbon just to made that stuff available on your dinner table. it need transportation.

so start eating local goods. ( unless the local is really bad in comparison with the imported one )

and to all parents and future parent, please educate your child... ;D
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well just for your info, the americans take more then 4x of their normal shared while Europe take 2.5x from their normal share.

and people in india is half from their shares!
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Abs. wrote: Don't read this article
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xpon is reminding me of some late 80s or 90s sitcom. Like an episode where the kid had just learned about environmental, climate crisis, Al Gore etc. problems with the world and than takes the stuff a bit too close to its logical extreme, with a laugh track and worse jokes than a bad laffy taffy of course.

Now we just need xpon's father to explain why it's good he's doing stuff but explains nicely why you can't be so extreme with it and yadda yadda yadda while horribly overdone and cheesy music plays.
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well i am 26 now. and i seen enough prove that people dont care about environment.

we cant change ALL people and tell them to do a completely different way of living then their current ones.. but we can start by educating our child. hoping they will be aware about this stuff and dont try un-responsible way of living!

why i never talk about this before is because i dont think you will happy to hear some advice from outsider like. but after seeing the respond, i am very happy that some of the member here care about this topic.
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Sorry xpon. I wouldn't let you educate my children. Because you follow every "advice" you see, without looking more into it :|
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