@Stopwatch: The perpetrators can still be called 'sexist', eh?
@Kleene: I've made a lot of friends on the internet, mostly here. People would say, get a life, or something. I tried, I really tried (hence my hiatus, but it wasn't entirely unsuccessful since there ARE awesome people in the vicinity—Ringo for instance) but I guess I'll still go back here. And there's always the chance that you'd meet people on the internet eventually.
Kleene Onigiri wrote:
Controversial opinion:
The friends I make on the internet are REAL!
I hear so often from others, that they "aren't your real friends because you never saw them"...
I don't necessarily disagree, but even as someone's whose been part of a decent number of fan communities and the like since 2003/4, I still can't help but find the concept of internet friendships odd. I don't even have an explanation why anymore. My internet life and real life are honestly often pretty consistent in terms of saying whatever to whoever happens to be around.
In three weeks I'm going to go to Switzerland to meet two of my internet friends. The three of us are all meeting for the first time and I'm extremely excited about it. So I'm all for internet friends so long as you get to know each other properly (we've been chatting for five years and we've all video chatted a few times to ensure that nobody involved is a creepy pedophile). I think, for some people who are very socially anxious, it can be easier to form strong relationships with the safe space of the internet.
My stance on women's rights is that there is still a ways to go, and a big part of it is acknowledging that rights can be lacking in western countries as well as third-world ones. There are still male-female wage gaps, there are still sexist bastards in tech who refuse to talk me through how to fix the till at work and will only talk to my 56-year-old manager who took six months to realize that it had a touch screen, Disney is redesigning their princesses so they all look like the same skinny, heavily made-up girl (and there's nothing wrong with a girly-girl princess, but not when it's every single one and it involves redesigning the characters of the more tomboyish characters like Mulan and Merida), women made up only 11% of film protagonists in Hollywood in 2012 and only 33% of characters overall, less than fifteen percent of movies last year passed the Bechdel test (and, according to one of my lecturers, screenwriters are actively discouraged from trying to pass it because "producers believe that audiences aren't interested in listening to women talk") and I still don't live in a society where I can go where I want and wear what I want without being either a) called fat and ugly because I'm not size 6 or b) being treated as a rape risk and being considered at fault if something does happen to me.
TL;DR: I think anyone who thinks that no more progression is needed in the field of women's rights doesn't really know what they're talking about.
Well, I'm all for pushing women's rights, I just wish people would do it the RIGHT way, and not advocate some idealistic, farfetched thingy (and anti-men propaganda). But yes, jerks exist. :V
y'all should meet me in real life and then we can become BOTH internet friends and real life friends! I promise I won't do anything bad to you
I think I've talked to a few people on here, like, via microphone or something (Carpetcrawler is one of em, and when we first talked I think what he said was "yup. This is exactly what I thought ranger would sound like")
Actually, both me and carpet thought kkslider sounded totally different from our imaginations.
Kleene Onigiri wrote:
Controversial opinion:
The friends I make on the internet are REAL!
I hear so often from others, that they "aren't your real friends because you never saw them"...
I don't necessarily disagree, but even as someone's whose been part of a decent number of fan communities and the like since 2003/4, I still can't help but find the concept of internet friendships odd. I don't even have an explanation why anymore. My internet life and real life are honestly often pretty consistent in terms of saying whatever to whoever happens to be around.
If you know the person's nature, then the voice and face are but superficial details. For example,
Spoiler:
I am a dick and Jd- is awesome.
mangaluva wrote:In three weeks I'm going to go to Switzerland to meet two of my internet friends. The three of us are all meeting for the first time and I'm extremely excited about it. So I'm all for internet friends so long as you get to know each other properly (we've been chatting for five years and we've all video chatted a few times to ensure that nobody involved is a creepy pedophile). I think, for some people who are very socially anxious, it can be easier to form strong relationships with the safe space of the internet.
My stance on women's rights is that there is still a ways to go, and a big part of it is acknowledging that rights can be lacking in western countries as well as third-world ones. There are still male-female wage gaps, there are still sexist bastards in tech who refuse to talk me through how to fix the till at work and will only talk to my 56-year-old manager who took six months to realize that it had a touch screen, Disney is redesigning their princesses so they all look like the same skinny, heavily made-up girl (and there's nothing wrong with a girly-girl princess, but not when it's every single one and it involves redesigning the characters of the more tomboyish characters like Mulan and Merida), women made up only 11% of film protagonists in Hollywood in 2012 and only 33% of characters overall, less than fifteen percent of movies last year passed the Bechdel test (and, according to one of my lecturers, screenwriters are actively discouraged from trying to pass it because "producers believe that audiences aren't interested in listening to women talk") and I still don't live in a society where I can go where I want and wear what I want without being either a) called fat and ugly because I'm not size 6 or b) being treated as a rape risk and being considered at fault if something does happen to me.
TL;DR: I think anyone who thinks that no more progression is needed in the field of women's rights doesn't really know what they're talking about.
I agree too. The treatment of women is shameful in all countries and societies everywhere. Yet, i am sure we all know there is no end is sight. Society consciously masks evil, it does not try to erase it.
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I am a geek~~~~~~~~~~~~
I am a flirt!
I love mysteries!
I love comics~
Kleene Onigiri wrote:
Controversial opinion:
The friends I make on the internet are REAL!
I hear so often from others, that they "aren't your real friends because you never saw them"...
I don't necessarily disagree, but even as someone's whose been part of a decent number of fan communities and the like since 2003/4, I still can't help but find the concept of internet friendships odd. I don't even have an explanation why anymore. My internet life and real life are honestly often pretty consistent in terms of saying whatever to whoever happens to be around.
If you know the person's nature, then the voice and face are but superficial details. For example, [spolier] I am a dick and Jd- is awesome. [/spoiler]
mangaluva wrote:In three weeks I'm going to go to Switzerland to meet two of my internet friends. The three of us are all meeting for the first time and I'm extremely excited about it. So I'm all for internet friends so long as you get to know each other properly (we've been chatting for five years and we've all video chatted a few times to ensure that nobody involved is a creepy pedophile). I think, for some people who are very socially anxious, it can be easier to form strong relationships with the safe space of the internet.
My stance on women's rights is that there is still a ways to go, and a big part of it is acknowledging that rights can be lacking in western countries as well as third-world ones. There are still male-female wage gaps, there are still sexist bastards in tech who refuse to talk me through how to fix the till at work and will only talk to my 56-year-old manager who took six months to realize that it had a touch screen, Disney is redesigning their princesses so they all look like the same skinny, heavily made-up girl (and there's nothing wrong with a girly-girl princess, but not when it's every single one and it involves redesigning the characters of the more tomboyish characters like Mulan and Merida), women made up only 11% of film protagonists in Hollywood in 2012 and only 33% of characters overall, less than fifteen percent of movies last year passed the Bechdel test (and, according to one of my lecturers, screenwriters are actively discouraged from trying to pass it because "producers believe that audiences aren't interested in listening to women talk") and I still don't live in a society where I can go where I want and wear what I want without being either a) called fat and ugly because I'm not size 6 or b) being treated as a rape risk and being considered at fault if something does happen to me.
TL;DR: I think anyone who thinks that no more progression is needed in the field of women's rights doesn't really know what they're talking about.
I agree too. The treatment of women is shameful in all countries and societies everywhere. Yet, i am sure we all know there is no end is sight. Society consciously masks evil, it does not try to erase it.
your name is conan-chan desu ne, I dont think you're a dick
ranger wrote:y'all should meet me in real life and then we can become BOTH internet friends and real life friends! I promise I won't do anything bad to you
I think I've talked to a few people on here, like, via microphone or something (Carpetcrawler is one of em, and when we first talked I think what he said was "yup. This is exactly what I thought ranger would sound like")
Actually, both me and carpet thought kkslider sounded totally different from our imaginations.
we should hang out sometime, when I'm actually allowed to country-hop :V
ranger wrote:y'all should meet me in real life and then we can become BOTH internet friends and real life friends! I promise I won't do anything bad to you
I think I've talked to a few people on here, like, via microphone or something (Carpetcrawler is one of em, and when we first talked I think what he said was "yup. This is exactly what I thought ranger would sound like")
Actually, both me and carpet thought kkslider sounded totally different from our imaginations.
we should hang out sometime, when I'm actually allowed to country-hop :V
I am planning to go see two internet friends living in Europe at the end of the month. I would completely love to come out to the US and meet DCTP people.
ranger wrote:y'all should meet me in real life and then we can become BOTH internet friends and real life friends! I promise I won't do anything bad to you
I think I've talked to a few people on here, like, via microphone or something (Carpetcrawler is one of em, and when we first talked I think what he said was "yup. This is exactly what I thought ranger would sound like")
Actually, both me and carpet thought kkslider sounded totally different from our imaginations.
we should hang out sometime, when I'm actually allowed to country-hop :V
We should REALLY hang out. If you want to come to the UK, that is. Cuz i dont see myself going to the US of A soon. Cuz We get our comics a few hours earlier here and i can spoil stories for every1 on fb and twitter. Also, Ranger's profile pic makes me crazy to play Arkham or Injustice.
I am a geek~~~~~~~~~~~~
I am a flirt!
I love mysteries!
I love comics~
I do not believe Los Angeles in the UK. . But we can play some kind of game online, i guess. That makes one recognize someone by his distinct style of play. Isnt that a controversial opinion?? For example, I make quick friends in Pokemon TCGO.
I am a geek~~~~~~~~~~~~
I am a flirt!
I love mysteries!
I love comics~
This is controversial here, but so far I'm not planning to vote for independence for Scotland next year. There just isn't enough information on what would happen next. True, healthcare and education work better here than in England since being devolved to Hollyrood, but the vague promise of North Sea Oil money isn't really enough to make me go "WHOLE NEW GOVERNMENT AND ECONOMY AND EVERYTHING LET'S GO". I mean, what'll happen to our already damaged links with the EU? Will we go on the Euro or will we still have a pound? Please, for the love of god, don't let us go on the Euro, the Euro's shite...
Statements like "My opinion's part of the majority, so your opinion is less credible" have no place in intellectual discussions. I couldn't care less whether or not you're "part of the majority". If it's a one on one discussion, the majority has nothing to do with it.
I'll try to rephrase it better - If a person (whose opinion is shared by the "majority") tries to make a point, he can't base it all on the notion that most people think the way he does. He can use it to support his point, but otherwise, it's just lazy.
Kor wrote:Statements like "My opinion's part of the majority, so your opinion is less credible" have no place in intellectual discussions. I couldn't care less whether or not you're "part of the majority". If it's a one on one discussion, the majority has nothing to do with it.
I'll try to rephrase it better - If a person (whose opinion is shared by the "majority") tries to make a point, he can't base it all on the notion that most people think the way he does. He can use it to support his point, but otherwise, it's just lazy.
Agreed. The number of people who agree with a point is irrelevant to the logistical reasoning behind the point. I've mainly heard this kind of thing crop up in religion-based argument; direct quote in one case of "heaven must exist because millions of people believe in it", which makes about as much sense to me as "Sam and Dean Winchester must be lovers because thousands of fangirls want it to be so". I try to stay a million miles away from both groups equally.
