Spider? (Spoiler)

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I'm really hoping that this whole Spider thing is just going to end up being something along the lines of Kaito and Spider facing off, Kaito beats Spider, and we never have to see him again. :D
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On a side note, I wish the animators had taken the liberty to change Saguru's Sherlock Holmes suit.... (I mean, as cute as he is, it's rather ridiculous.... and it's still from the time period when MK was sort of gag-manga-ish...)
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kaitoushinichi wrote: On a side note, I wish the animators had taken the liberty to change Saguru's Sherlock Holmes suit.... (I mean, as cute as he is, it's rather ridiculous.... and it's still from the time period when MK was sort of gag-manga-ish...)
they flash back to Hakuba having it on in the Clocktower Heist part of episode 219, besides they fixed the bad proportions form the manga.
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Oh yeah, that's right...
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Interesting character. I still think he will appear in the manga. Spiders supposed rivalary with Hakuba is intriguing.

The episode itself was a merge of "The Great Detective" and ""Nearby Enemy", with only the first and last 5 minutes of the episodes being AO.
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Only the first and last 5 minutes ? Isn't that like half the episode ?
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The whole idea of Hakuba seemingly having some sort of history with Spider definitely caught my attention, since it was quite an unexpected curveball for me. I'm not sure whether or not I'm going to like this development, but it's definitely interesting, so I'm looking forward to this being expanded upon.
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MistyReeyus wrote: The whole idea of Hakuba seemingly having some sort of history with Spider definitely caught my attention, since it was quite an unexpected curveball for me. I'm not sure whether or not I'm going to like this development, but it's definitely interesting, so I'm looking forward to this being expanded upon.
Hakuba certainly seemed pretty miserable. Spider must have definitely screwed him up with something personal at an earlier date.
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If we assume that Spider will be canonized by the manga (since by this date, the anime version of Magic Kaito mostly modernised the over 20 years old manga),  there is a possiblity that this could lead to a Kid/Hakuba teamup in the storyline.
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Why does he look like a cross between phantom lady and Turkey playing splinter cell in his theif outfit?
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I'm thinking Spider's kinda not the most mindful criminal here. I mean, really, the techniques and equipment he uses on stage and as Spider are pretty much the exact same (shiny yellow webs, red light thingies that I think are supposed to look like eyes, a freaking spider robot). Anyone who sees Spider's illusions wouldn't have too much trouble connecting the dots if they heard about GvG, and since he's apparently world famous, that could happen easily. Of course, there's always the possibility that he prevents this from happening by making sure nobody who sees his Spider form gets away alive, but still, it seems rather reckless. And even if that's true, it would seem he's failed at that, since Kid and Hakuba have managed to escape him, Hakuba possibly multiple times. Also, it would appear that Hakuba was perfectly aware of Spider's civilian identity previously, and by the end of episode 7 Kid also seems to have caught on. At this point, it seems like all they need to do is prove Spider=GvG to the police, and bam, he's in the slammer, problem solved. And from there, Snake and the rest of this organization could fall as well. And that'd be the incredibly boring end of it.
...I'm gonna stop here before I talk myself into creating a baseless negative opinion of MK's anime.
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MistyReeyus wrote:
Spoiler:
I'm thinking Spider's kinda not the most mindful criminal here. I mean, really, the techniques and equipment he uses on stage and as Spider are pretty much the exact same (shiny yellow webs, red light thingies that I think are supposed to look like eyes, a freaking spider robot). Anyone who sees Spider's illusions wouldn't have too much trouble connecting the dots if they heard about GvG, and since he's apparently world famous, that could happen easily. Of course, there's always the possibility that he prevents this from happening by making sure nobody who sees his Spider form gets away alive, but still, it seems rather reckless. And even if that's true, it would seem he's failed at that, since Kid and Hakuba have managed to escape him, Hakuba possibly multiple times. Also, it would appear that Hakuba was perfectly aware of Spider's civilian identity previously, and by the end of episode 7 Kid also seems to have caught on. At this point, it seems like all they need to do is prove Spider=GvG to the police, and bam, he's in the slammer, problem solved. And from there, Snake and the rest of this organization could fall as well. And that'd be the incredibly boring end of it.
...I'm gonna stop here before I talk myself into creating a baseless negative opinion of MK's anime.
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I've talked myself into a negative opinion episodes ago.  I have to say Spider is shoving his theme in your face as both a thief and magician.  Least Toichi was discreet with the clover on the charm. 
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MistyReeyus wrote:
Spoiler:
I'm thinking Spider's kinda not the most mindful criminal here. I mean, really, the techniques and equipment he uses on stage and as Spider are pretty much the exact same (shiny yellow webs, red light thingies that I think are supposed to look like eyes, a freaking spider robot). Anyone who sees Spider's illusions wouldn't have too much trouble connecting the dots if they heard about GvG, and since he's apparently world famous, that could happen easily. Of course, there's always the possibility that he prevents this from happening by making sure nobody who sees his Spider form gets away alive, but still, it seems rather reckless. And even if that's true, it would seem he's failed at that, since Kid and Hakuba have managed to escape him, Hakuba possibly multiple times. Also, it would appear that Hakuba was perfectly aware of Spider's civilian identity previously, and by the end of episode 7 Kid also seems to have caught on. At this point, it seems like all they need to do is prove Spider=GvG to the police, and bam, he's in the slammer, problem solved. And from there, Snake and the rest of this organization could fall as well. And that'd be the incredibly boring end of it.
...I'm gonna stop here before I talk myself into creating a baseless negative opinion of MK's anime.
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I got the impression that Spider was an assassin whom Snake and the rest of the MK organization hire occasionally if their targets are too hard to kill, and is not actually affiliated with the organization...I could be wrong, but either way, Spider could flip on them if arrested. I don't think that's typical assassin behavior, though. In any case, Spider's appearance puts Hakuba in a much better position to be a likeable character. Since he apparently came to Japan to hunt down a murderer, not a thief, it makes a team-up between thief and detective more likely in the future.  And that is why I personlly love Spider's involvement.
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ConanOtaku wrote:
MistyReeyus wrote:
Spoiler:
I'm thinking Spider's kinda not the most mindful criminal here. I mean, really, the techniques and equipment he uses on stage and as Spider are pretty much the exact same (shiny yellow webs, red light thingies that I think are supposed to look like eyes, a freaking spider robot). Anyone who sees Spider's illusions wouldn't have too much trouble connecting the dots if they heard about GvG, and since he's apparently world famous, that could happen easily. Of course, there's always the possibility that he prevents this from happening by making sure nobody who sees his Spider form gets away alive, but still, it seems rather reckless. And even if that's true, it would seem he's failed at that, since Kid and Hakuba have managed to escape him, Hakuba possibly multiple times. Also, it would appear that Hakuba was perfectly aware of Spider's civilian identity previously, and by the end of episode 7 Kid also seems to have caught on. At this point, it seems like all they need to do is prove Spider=GvG to the police, and bam, he's in the slammer, problem solved. And from there, Snake and the rest of this organization could fall as well. And that'd be the incredibly boring end of it.
...I'm gonna stop here before I talk myself into creating a baseless negative opinion of MK's anime.
Spoiler:
I got the impression that Spider was an assassin whom Snake and the rest of the MK organization hire occasionally if their targets are too hard to kill, and is not actually affiliated with the organization...I could be wrong, but either way, Spider could flip on them if arrested. I don't think that's typical assassin behavior, though. In any case, Spider's appearance puts Hakuba in a much better position to be a likeable character. Since he apparently came to Japan to hunt down a murderer, not a thief, it makes a team-up between thief and detective more likely in the future.  And that is why I personlly love Spider's involvement.
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Well, a sub I just saw did indeed confirm that Spider is an assassin. Also Hakuba was indeed after Spider and only used Kid as a bait. He dicided to stay in Japan when he found out that Spider's target was Kaito Kid.
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While the "Red Tear" episode was basicly a 1:1 adaptation, there was a small scene with Hakuba reading a magazine about Von Goldberg's Europe Tournee, calling him Spider in his mind. (The english text in the magazin was wierd, because it was about Fukushima, but with pictures from Von Goldberg's show.
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S.Vineyard wrote:
ConanOtaku wrote:
MistyReeyus wrote:
Spoiler:
I'm thinking Spider's kinda not the most mindful criminal here. I mean, really, the techniques and equipment he uses on stage and as Spider are pretty much the exact same (shiny yellow webs, red light thingies that I think are supposed to look like eyes, a freaking spider robot). Anyone who sees Spider's illusions wouldn't have too much trouble connecting the dots if they heard about GvG, and since he's apparently world famous, that could happen easily. Of course, there's always the possibility that he prevents this from happening by making sure nobody who sees his Spider form gets away alive, but still, it seems rather reckless. And even if that's true, it would seem he's failed at that, since Kid and Hakuba have managed to escape him, Hakuba possibly multiple times. Also, it would appear that Hakuba was perfectly aware of Spider's civilian identity previously, and by the end of episode 7 Kid also seems to have caught on. At this point, it seems like all they need to do is prove Spider=GvG to the police, and bam, he's in the slammer, problem solved. And from there, Snake and the rest of this organization could fall as well. And that'd be the incredibly boring end of it.
...I'm gonna stop here before I talk myself into creating a baseless negative opinion of MK's anime.
Spoiler:
I got the impression that Spider was an assassin whom Snake and the rest of the MK organization hire occasionally if their targets are too hard to kill, and is not actually affiliated with the organization...I could be wrong, but either way, Spider could flip on them if arrested. I don't think that's typical assassin behavior, though. In any case, Spider's appearance puts Hakuba in a much better position to be a likeable character. Since he apparently came to Japan to hunt down a murderer, not a thief, it makes a team-up between thief and detective more likely in the future.  And that is why I personlly love Spider's involvement.
Spoiler:
Well, a sub I just saw did indeed confirm that Spider is an assassin. Also Hakuba was indeed after Spider and only used Kid as a bait. He dicided to stay in Japan when he found out that Spider's target was Kaito Kid.
Edit:
Spoiler:
While the "Red Tear" episode was basicly a 1:1 adaptation, there was a small scene with Hakuba reading a magazine about Von Goldberg's Europe Tournee, calling him Spider in his mind. (The english text in the magazin was wierd, because it was about Fukushima, but with pictures from Von Goldberg's show.
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Oh the Japanse will grab anything English at random and use it as filler text for a newspaper or website in anime or manga. It's not like anyone will be quick enough to read small print in a language with a totally different written system. Though i wonder if that's some sort of copyright violation.

glad to hear that Red Tear is totally 1:1.
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