Why hasn't Conan tried to figure out who Kid is?

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Why hasn't Conan tried to figure out who Kid is?

Postby Mead » February 14th, 2010, 6:29 am

As the topic suggest, Why hasn't Conan tried to find out who Kid is? He seems to be content with just waiting till he catches him to "unmask" him. As if wearing a monocle and top hat hides your identity to the world, one close look and Nakamori was able to tell it was Kaito during MK.

But, Conan should know that they look very similar (even more so in the anime, Conan knows that Kid has to look exactly like him). Hakuba managed to figure out Kid's identity in less than a week, but Conan hasn't even done a background check on people with magician skills that look like him. Heck, if he asked Nakamori about potential suspects the guy might even say Kaito Kuroba. But again, it's also mainly the story that Conan has yet to meet either Kaito or Aoko. In MK they often appeared at the scene of the crime, Aoko to cheer on her dad, and Kaito to get closer to steal his target.

Note, if he investigated famous magicians he'd obviously come across Toichi Kuroba, Given he was the one who taught the only other two people whom he knows that can use great disguises, which seem to be just like how Kid acts, he might check up on him, easily find out he had a son whom looked a lot like him, and bam, Conan knows who Kid is...

It's also convenient for Nakamori to not mention Kaito, since he remarked a few times in MK about wanting his advice on Kid, since both are magicians.

But, if every time I walked into a room someone was murdered, I don't think I'd have to time to try to figure out Kid's identity either.
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Re: Why hasn't Conan tried to figure out who Kid is?

Postby takiko » February 14th, 2010, 7:30 am

I do think he does know Kid's indentity. Oh, wait, but that's from the movie though. :)

Spoiler:
When Kid disguised as Shinichi.


And even Conan does a bg check, it won't do anything. I mean, he needs proofs.
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Re: Why hasn't Conan tried to figure out who Kid is?

Postby Beastly » February 14th, 2010, 8:02 am

takiko wrote:I do think he does know Kid's indentity. Oh, wait, but that's from the movie though. :)

Spoiler:
When Kid disguised as Shinichi.


And even Conan does a bg check, it won't do anything. I mean, he needs proofs.


Of course even if u just look at him even wit hthat monocle he still look like Shinichi...
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Re: Why hasn't Conan tried to figure out who Kid is?

Postby Chekhov MacGuffin » February 14th, 2010, 12:57 pm

I don't really think Conan cares about Kaitou Kid outside of the heists. Conan probably wants to nab the guy while at a heist and rip of is mask/monocle/hat to reveal his identity. Conan is playing by Kid's rules in a way: Kaitou sends out a heist notice to provide the opportunity for detectives to catch him, but by the same "gentlemen's duel" rules expects them to give up and wait for the next heist if they fail to catch him. Kid doesn't cause criminal trouble outside of heists, so Conan probably has other priorities: like nailing the Org and the murderer of the month.
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Re: Why hasn't Conan tried to figure out who Kid is?

Postby CTU » February 14th, 2010, 1:18 pm

takiko wrote:I do think he does know Kid's indentity. Oh, wait, but that's from the movie though. :)

Spoiler:
When Kid disguised as Shinichi.


And even Conan does a bg check, it won't do anything. I mean, he needs proofs.


True, but if he knows who kid is it would make finding proof that much easier

I don't really think Conan cares about Kaitou Kid outside of the heists. Conan probably wants to nab the guy while at a heist and rip of is mask/monocle/hat to reveal his identity. Conan is playing by Kid's rules in a way: Kaitou sends out a heist notice to provide the opportunity for detectives to catch him, but by the same "gentlemen's duel" rules expects them to give up and wait for the next heist if they fail to catch him. Kid doesn't cause criminal trouble outside of heists, so Conan probably has other priorities: like nailing the Org and the murderer of the month.


I can agree with that
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Re: Why hasn't Conan tried to figure out who Kid is?

Postby mangaluva » February 14th, 2010, 4:30 pm

I think he takes the face thing as misleading; he knows that the Kid has been stealing for nearly twenty years, but one look at the guy under the hat makes it obvious that he's waaaaaay too young, so he probably just assumes that it's a mask (as Nakamori does; at the end of the chapter where Nakamori sees Kaito's face, Kaito turns up at a heist wearing Aoko's face, taunting Nakamori by saying that he knows all of his nearest and dearest, so Nakamori assumes that it's simply a Kaito mask to mess with him. Also, Kaito has managed to fabricate alibis several times in MK, so in Nakamori and Aoko's minds, at least, he's off the suspect list, even if Hakuba's not convinced).  He might come up with the theory of two Kids if he thought about it, but I doubt he has; Chekov's right when he says that Conan has plenty of other priorities, and besides, hunting down Kid outside of the heists isn't quite "playing the game".

I'm not too sure how aware he is of Toichi. Yukiko has mentioned that she learned disguise skills from a magician in Golden Apple, but i'm not sure if she mentioned a name and I don't believe they ever met; also, as shown in the Mermaid Island case, the creation of masks such as the ones that Kid and Vermouth habitually use is not a unique skill, and for all we- and he- know, there might be several other magicians with such skills; also, for the aforementioned reason that the possibility of two Kids does not seem to have been widely considered, he's unlikely to investigate dead magicians. Plus, he might not believe that, brazen as Kid is in costume, he'd go around pulling disguises and magic tricks in his civilian life; he might think Kid would have the sense to do something entirely different in real life to keep him off of the suspect list (HAHAHAHAHA).

The face thing isn't that big of a factor, anyway; I can think of at least three other lookalikes of Shinichi throughout the series and I know there've been more, so it wouldn't seem to narrow the field hugely.

Overall, though, I'd say that trying to figure out Kid's true identity and catch him outside of heists would, in some way, be against the rules of the game; it's an almost friendly rivalry between them, and as long as Conan's unaware that there's anything darker behind the Kid, i'm sure he wouldn't have it any other way. If he did go looking, I think it would be because he'd somehow found out about Snake- and he NEVER lets a murderer get away.
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Re: Why hasn't Conan tried to figure out who Kid is?

Postby kaitoushinichi » February 14th, 2010, 5:42 pm

mangaluva wrote:I think he takes the face thing as misleading; he knows that the Kid has been stealing for nearly twenty years, but one look at the guy under the hat makes it obvious that he's waaaaaay too young, so he probably just assumes that it's a mask (as Nakamori does; at the end of the chapter where Nakamori sees Kaito's face, Kaito turns up at a heist wearing Aoko's face, taunting Nakamori by saying that he knows all of his nearest and dearest, so Nakamori assumes that it's simply a Kaito mask to mess with him. Also, Kaito has managed to fabricate alibis several times in MK, so in Nakamori and Aoko's minds, at least, he's off the suspect list, even if Hakuba's not convinced).  He might come up with the theory of two Kids if he thought about it, but I doubt he has; Chekov's right when he says that Conan has plenty of other priorities, and besides, hunting down Kid outside of the heists isn't quite "playing the game".

I'm not too sure how aware he is of Toichi. Yukiko has mentioned that she learned disguise skills from a magician in Golden Apple, but i'm not sure if she mentioned a name and I don't believe they ever met; also, as shown in the Mermaid Island case, the creation of masks such as the ones that Kid and Vermouth habitually use is not a unique skill, and for all we- and he- know, there might be several other magicians with such skills; also, for the aforementioned reason that the possibility of two Kids does not seem to have been widely considered, he's unlikely to investigate dead magicians. Plus, he might not believe that, brazen as Kid is in costume, he'd go around pulling disguises and magic tricks in his civilian life; he might think Kid would have the sense to do something entirely different in real life to keep him off of the suspect list (HAHAHAHAHA).

The face thing isn't that big of a factor, anyway; I can think of at least three other lookalikes of Shinichi throughout the series and I know there've been more, so it wouldn't seem to narrow the field hugely.

Overall, though, I'd say that trying to figure out Kid's true identity and catch him outside of heists would, in some way, be against the rules of the game; it's an almost friendly rivalry between them, and as long as Conan's unaware that there's anything darker behind the Kid, i'm sure he wouldn't have it any other way. If he did go looking, I think it would be because he'd somehow found out about Snake- and he NEVER lets a murderer get away.


Agreed. Conan (and Aoyama-sensei) probably just like the thrill of those heists.
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Re: Why hasn't Conan tried to figure out who Kid is?

Postby kkslider5552000 » February 14th, 2010, 5:54 pm

the answer is much simpler

Gosho doesn't want Conan to figure out who Kid is.

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Re: Why hasn't Conan tried to figure out who Kid is?

Postby Tanner-kun » February 14th, 2010, 9:53 pm

kkslider5552000 wrote:the answer is much simpler

Gosho doesn't want Conan to figure out who Kid is.

Audience: BOOOO!!!  >:(
its true kaito cant be cought untell magic kaito(manga) is complete and since its onley at volume 4 and gosho plans to make more chapters but doesnt know when so he wont be caught any time soon
wait if kiato is impportant in the bo plot then we wont be able to see the end of dc untell mk is completly published noooooo damn you gosho for long plots with more twists then there are stars in the solar system
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Re: Why hasn't Conan tried to figure out who Kid is?

Postby ranger » February 15th, 2010, 5:00 am

kkslider5552000 wrote:the answer is much simpler

Gosho doesn't want Conan to figure out who Kid is.

Audience: BOOOO!!!  >:(


true dat.

But, explained canonically (is that a word? lol), Conan is loaded up with cases either from Kogoro or just screwing around with the Detective Boys.

Plus he has to basically unravel an entire Organization by himself.  The only help he ever had got killed by an undercover CIA agent and is now either roaming Japan thinking he's Scar from FMA or being a complete pedobear by stalking Ai.

With all this on his back, the least of his worries is some flamboyant magician who thinks hes a boss by stealing gems and returning them back.
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Re: Why hasn't Conan tried to figure out who Kid is?

Postby bluekaitou1412 » February 15th, 2010, 8:52 am

ranger wrote:With all this on his back, the least of his worries is some flamboyant magician who thinks hes a boss by stealing gems and returning them back.


KID's just a bonus, then ;D
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Re: Why hasn't Conan tried to figure out who Kid is?

Postby Akonyl » February 15th, 2010, 10:30 am

ranger wrote:With all this on his back, the least of his worries is some flamboyant magician who thinks hes a boss by stealing gems and returning them back.

steal a gem LIKE A BOSS
give it back LIKE A BOSS
outwit detectives LIKE A BOSS
wear a tux LIKE A BOSS
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Re: Why hasn't Conan tried to figure out who Kid is?

Postby mangaluva » February 15th, 2010, 11:05 am

bluekaitou1412 wrote:
ranger wrote:With all this on his back, the least of his worries is some flamboyant magician who thinks hes a boss by stealing gems and returning them back.


KID's just a bonus, then ;D



I wish he wasn't. I mean, it could be really cool if Aoyama-sensei tied in Kid's story; he does actually have a serious background story going, and if he and Conan teamed up to waste Snake or the BO or both it would KICK ASS.

Akonyl wrote:steal a gem LIKE A BOSS
give it back LIKE A BOSS
outwit detectives LIKE A BOSS
wear a tux LIKE A BOSS


FTW.
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Re: Why hasn't Conan tried to figure out who Kid is?

Postby ranger » February 15th, 2010, 5:41 pm

Akonyl wrote:
ranger wrote:With all this on his back, the least of his worries is some flamboyant magician who thinks hes a boss by stealing gems and returning them back.

steal a gem LIKE A BOSS
give it back LIKE A BOSS
outwit detectives LIKE A BOSS
wear a tux LIKE A BOSS


love those guys, haha Lonely Island is hilarious

meet a giant fish... eehh I wont finish the sentence.
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Re: Why hasn't Conan tried to figure out who Kid is?

Postby Akonyl » February 15th, 2010, 7:53 pm

ranger wrote:
Akonyl wrote:
ranger wrote:With all this on his back, the least of his worries is some flamboyant magician who thinks hes a boss by stealing gems and returning them back.

steal a gem LIKE A BOSS
give it back LIKE A BOSS
outwit detectives LIKE A BOSS
wear a tux LIKE A BOSS


love those guys, haha Lonely Island is hilarious

meet a giant fish... eehh I wont finish the sentence.

no you have to now I have no clue what you were going to say next I'm on the edge of my seat with anticipation please finish the sentence or I might die

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