Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 859-861

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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 859-861

Postby Pmofmalasia » June 12th, 2013, 5:50 pm

barno wrote:
Pmofmalasia wrote:
Spoiler:
Considering that the end of chapter sidebar says that the next file will be Kid vs. Makoto, it's probably talking about Kid. My guess is that Sera's brother will be related to the Kid case somehow, if not directly then he'll be texting Sera about it or something. Although I do vaguely remember a character referring to Conan as a magician at some point, even then it might have been an AO or movie though.


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I forgot to read the sidebar, but even after reading the sidebar, when Sera read the postscriptum (to the mail that most probably explain to her how her brother met Conan), she then look at Conan saying somehting like "indeed", she seems to agree to the fact that Conan may be called "magician".

Another explanation may be that yamamura is Kaito Kid, that would explain:
- the fact that he seems different than usual
- that he will face makoto the next issue
And so:
- Sera's secret brother is in fact refering to Kaito Kid and not Conan


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According to Fuji, Sera says, "You could say so ..." so it sounds to me like her brother was talking about Kaito Kid, while Sera was commenting to herself that Conan is also like a magician, or something along those lines.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 859-861

Postby Conan-chandesune » June 13th, 2013, 1:37 am

So i read the files today in one go and made two pages of extensive notes and deduced everything. It's the same as Chek's deduction. I am a science guy, after all. That is why i was able to solve the HDPE case, cuz i had to memorise the para about its uses for an xam. I was quite proud of myself.
And then i came here and read the whole thread. Epic fail has a new definition now. As for the plotty part, i think that it is fairly obvious that the "dead" brother is Akai, due to the 3x stronger Gundam reference as someone said earlier. I guess the middle brother could be Yumi's ex. It is a possible solution. I do not think that Gosho would introduce a new character here, at this point in the story. Then, again, i could be wrong. I am not Chek. Kudos to him for his deduction. Waiting excitedly for the new files. I loved this case. Also, is it just me or Sonoko is suuuuupa-cute here??
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 859-861

Postby Kor » June 13th, 2013, 2:35 am

Conan-chandesune wrote:I am not Chek. Kudos to him for his deduction.


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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 859-861

Postby Conan-chandesune » June 13th, 2013, 5:52 am

Kor wrote:
Conan-chandesune wrote:I am not Chek. Kudos to him for his deduction.


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I didnt notice. XD
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 859-861

Postby saorin » June 13th, 2013, 8:12 am

barno wrote:
Spoiler:
I forgot to read the sidebar, but even after reading the sidebar, when Sera read the postscriptum (to the mail that most probably explain to her how her brother met Conan), she then look at Conan saying somehting like "indeed", she seems to agree to the fact that Conan may be called "magician".

Another explanation may be that yamamura is Kaito Kid, that would explain:
- the fact that he seems different than usual
- that he will face makoto the next issue
And so:
- Sera's secret brother is in fact refering to Kaito Kid and not Conan



Spoiler:
Agreed on all points here. I guess the magician is KID. If it was referring to Conan, there's no reason to put it into a PS, making it sound like a question concerning a quite different matter.

Or - crack theory - Sera's brother is Hakuba. :D
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 859-861

Postby barno » June 13th, 2013, 2:03 pm

saorin wrote:
Spoiler:
Agreed on all points here. I guess the magician is KID. If it was referring to Conan, there's no reason to put it into a PS, making it sound like a question concerning a quite different matter.



Spoiler:
Hum... I have seen anywhere that the mail Sera received was about Kaito Kid or something like that.

All we know is she received a mail. She read it thinking "What is it ?" "Ho, it's like that !" and then she received another one (or discover it wasn't finished) and thinks "And then..." and we can see the phone with "PS: So, you already met the magician ?".

Last panel is Sera looking at Conan and saying "Maa ne..." that can be translated like "yes, indeed", "yes, somehow" or "yes, it seems".


Did I miss somehting reading chapter 861 that would link the content of the mail to what will happen in the chapter 862 rather than to Conan or the resolution of the current case ?
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 859-861

Postby Pmofmalasia » June 13th, 2013, 2:06 pm

If by the content of the mail you mean the PS, then the sidebar indicates that it *might* be referring to chapter 862, but we won't really know until 862 is released.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 859-861

Postby mihai » June 14th, 2013, 7:01 pm

About the side text on the last page,
Spoiler:
we already had a case involving Sonoko to some degree so it's safe to assume that she will invite them next to an expo held by Jirokichi and where Kid will appear. Since we all know Sonoko's crush on Kid, he is either gonna try and catch him to prove something to her or Sonoko will want to see a confrontation between Kid and Makoto.

So there will be a kid case next with Makoto meeting some of her family and maybe some romantic development for him and Sonoko.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 859-861

Postby kentasaiba » June 15th, 2013, 11:09 am

Maybe there are 2 Okiyas, one real and the other one Akai.
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Re: FUJIWARA!

Postby PhantomWriter » June 18th, 2013, 3:53 am

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Spoiler: Fujiwara's important observation
Fujiwara noticed something sort of important. The hand in the upper left of pg 16 is not Sera's. It's the brother's! The phone is black, not grey like Sera's. We are looking for a light skinned maybe right-handed person! (Prior analysis of handedness indicates that sometimes characters use their offhands for phones)
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http://www.dctp.ws/V80-Reader/V80-4Read/A12.html - Okiya's phone?
http://www.dctp.ws/V78-Reader/V78-4Read/A9.html - Okiya's phone
http://www.dctp.ws/V67-Reader/V67-6Read/A15.html - Okiya's old phone
http://www.dctp.ws/V64-Reader/V64-1Read/A12.html - Okiya's old phone
http://www.dctp.ws/V61-Reader/V61-8Read/A13.html - Okiya's old phone
http://www.dctp.ws/V78-Reader/V78-3Read/A7.html - Yukiko's phone
http://www.dctp.ws/V78-Reader/V78-7Read/A3.html - Yukiko's phone
http://www.dctp.ws/V76-Reader/V76-5Read/A16.html - Amuro's phone
http://www.dctp.ws/V78-Reader/V78-4Read/A14.html - Amuro's phone again
http://www.dctp.ws/V65-Reader/V65-11Read/A16.html - Kansuke and Koumei phones
http://www.dctp.ws/V74-Reader/V74-11Read/A2.html - Kansuke phone
http://www.dctp.ws/V78-Reader/V78-5Read/A3.html - Vermouth's phone
http://www.dctp.ws/V80-Reader/V80-10Read/A5.html - Takagi's phone
http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-6Read/A7.html - Conan's phone because why not
http://www.dctp.ws/V78-Reader/V78-7Read/A14.html - Kid's phone that Conan loaned him
http://www.dctp.ws/V78-Reader/V78-4Read/A6.html - Haibara's phone because Prada
http://www.dctp.ws/V78-Reader/V78-3Read/A16.html - Gin's phone because lol
http://www.dctp.ws/V67-Reader/V67-6Read/A4.html - Vodka and Korn's phones because hype it all


Sera's phone as of the Bell Tree arc is white, not grey, from what I can tell. It's bothering me a bit.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 859-86X

Postby Gort » June 19th, 2013, 10:28 pm

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:I appreciate the translation. I was holding back until concrete info appeared.
Despoiled for easier reading

I'm glad we are dealing with someone different looking. An identical twin or someone similar would have been a pain in the ass to deal with theory wise.

We know the brother is probably not Amuro because Sera presumably called her middle brother in chapter 800 at the same time Amuro was chatting with Vermouth.

Since Sera doesn't know where her brother is, I guess we can rule out a not-Akai-in-disguise Okiya being the middle brother, because she met him at Shinichi's place (although her reaction to Okiya was notable).

"Sera: During the case the other day he also told me that my deduction was unreliable, … but since you were there to come to the rescue if I was wrong …" It seems we are looking for someone familiar with Conan.

All the new semi-relevant male characters introduced in the Bourbon arc that are between 16 and 35 are: (35 chosen because we don't know Akai's age and 35 is probably a good guess for the upper limit)
Yamato Kansuke - Nagano officer (35)
Enomoto Sugihito - Poirot waitress Azuha's brother (28)
Morofushi Taka'aki (Koumei) - Nagano officer (35)
Ares Ashley - Minerva's tennis coach (30)
Amuro Tohru - Bourbon (29)
Onda Ryouhei - Kogoro imposter (21)
Haneda Shuukichi - Yumi's semi-ex-boyfriend (28)

I would axe Enomoto, Ares, and Onda for not being smart enough to give case advice. Amuro is out for phone call reasons. That leaves the two Nagano officers and Shuukichi. All three know Conan well enough and are smart enough to advise on cases. The two Nagano officers have had their pasts decently expounded upon, but I suppose that does not rule them out.

If we have to choose a known character, Shuukichi seems the most likely. He's identifies Conan's intelligence immediately. He is also busy collecting titles to the point where he secluded himself from Yumi, so he may not have told Sera what he has been up to as well. Akai could easily be lying about his age (27) as Okiya, but Shuukichi's 28 is something to think about.

Edit: reread Shuukichi's chapter:
• Shuukichi was noted by Yumi to be pale white, which Akai is.

Double edit: There is a plausible way for the second brother to be a new character. During the yet-to-be seen episode where Shinichi and Sera met somewhere with waves, Shinichi might have met the middle brother as well. If there was a case (likely because DC) and Shinichi did a good job as a kid, then the brother might have remembered Shinichi or kept up with his detective progress. If, when Sera calls the brother, she talks about Shinichi instead of Conan because she knows Conan's true identity, then the brother could say leave it up to Shinichi. It's not a great idea, but it's workable.

Triple Edit: We could always have two Okiyas, one who is Akai borrowing his bro's appearance, and the real Okiya who is helping Akai out.


I was thinking about evidence of that last alternative

In file 638, page 8

http://www.dctp.ws/V61-Reader/V61-8Read/A8.html

In file 812, page 10, we can see almost the same situation

http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-6Read/A10.html

Okiya seems right handed this time
Okiya neck is empty for first time but nothing was there
Why Sera looked at Okiya with a surprising face?

http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-6Read/A11.html
Why does Okiya use that comb?
Why Sera said "Got it" and Okiya said "yeah"?

http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-6Read/A14.html
a Wig hair, lipstick on a glass, a hair elastic
Is that a make up for Akai and the other brother and both disguise like Okiya?

http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-7Read/A7.html
http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-7Read/A13.html
Another "right handed habits" on Okiya that day

http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-7Read/A15.html
This time Okiya give a hint to Shinichi to solve the case! That mean he solved the case before Shinichi. This Brother is the smart one and Akai is de Dumb one o.o

http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-8Read/A16.html

Why Sera is a bad kid after all? Maybe because she talked to her smart brother that day?
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 859-86X

Postby aly_angelflight » June 19th, 2013, 11:04 pm

Gort wrote:http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-6Read/A11.html
Why does Okiya use that comb?
Why Sera said "Got it" and Okiya said "yeah"?

Those were both spoken by Sera. :-X
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 859-86X

Postby Chekhov MacGuffin » June 19th, 2013, 11:46 pm

Gort wrote:
I was thinking about evidence of that last alternative

In file 638, page 8

http://www.dctp.ws/V61-Reader/V61-8Read/A8.html

In file 812, page 10, we can see almost the same situation

http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-6Read/A10.html

Okiya seems right handed this time
Okiya neck is empty for first time but nothing was there
Why Sera looked at Okiya with a surprising face?

http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-6Read/A11.html
Why does Okiya use that comb?
Why Sera said "Got it" and Okiya said "yeah"?

http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-6Read/A14.html
a Wig hair, lipstick on a glass, a hair elastic
Is that a make up for Akai and the other brother and both disguise like Okiya?

http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-7Read/A7.html
http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-7Read/A13.html
Another "right handed habits" on Okiya that day

http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-7Read/A15.html
This time Okiya give a hint to Shinichi to solve the case! That mean he solved the case before Shinichi. This Brother is the smart one and Akai is de Dumb one o.o

http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-8Read/A16.html

Why Sera is a bad kid after all? Maybe because she talked to her smart brother that day?


Pmofmalasia wrote:Also, a line Fuji translated over at the spoiler cbox gives some very important information:

Sera had no idea that her brother knew Conan ("If it's him there's no problem? Why does my brother know this kid?") so that rules out both Amuro and Okiya, since she knows that Conan knew them. Shuukichi and Komei are still in, though. Personally I think this might knock out a new character introduction, since the consensus is that if there is a new character, he'll be revealed during a flashback with Sera meeting Shinichi and Ran... in which case Sera should know that her brother knows Conan. However, I'm sure that could be worked around, too lazy to type out how :P
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 859-861

Postby knight baron » June 21st, 2013, 12:17 pm

Hello everyone. It is really nice to be part of this forum.. It has been a dream for me since early childhood to solve cases before Conan does and it is so cool that there are people here who do that regularly :)
About the brother: I really wanted him to be Okiya. The clues that Okiya is Akai are overwhelming but I feel that there personalities are very very different and IIRC Akai has never been shown to solve a case before Conan while Conan has never been solved a case before Okiya so the idea of Akai having a smarter younger brother seemed to fit Subaru too much. I am really disappointed that it is not the case.
Apparently this brother knows Conan personally because Sera have mentioned Conan not Shinchi so I think he is not a brother that met Shinchi and Ran long time ago because that wouldn't be enough. He could still be a new character but then I will hate Aoyama-sensei for making us search for this brother among the characters we know.
Also about Shuukichi, Yumi seems to have known where he lives although they broke up so I don't think his sister who still communicate with him doesn't know that information, but since she never knew that he knows Conan there is no reason for her to lie so I think that may rule Shuukichi too :-\
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 859-861

Postby Kleene Onigiri » June 21st, 2013, 5:46 pm

I don't think the wizard part was towards Conan. Because Sera showed her brother Conan's picture in the first place, so why would he ask "Did you met the Wizard (Conan)"? Sounds strange kinda.

If it's about KID, then Sera did meet KID in two cases. One case where KID disguised as Sera. The other case was the Train case, tho I don't know if Sera figured out KID at that time.
During the train case, Okiya/Akai would know that KID was there too. If Bourbon could know too maybe.
I don't think KID would be in that case, because if the brother would be hinting at that with the PS., then he would have to be around them to know that one of them is KID disguised.

But if the wizard part is aimed at Conan: Koumei compared Conan to Zhuge Liang. And according to wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhuge_Liang), in fiction he was "described to be able to perform fantastical achievements such as summoning advantageous winds and devising magical stone maze", so kinda like a wizard?
Maybe that helps? :3

Also, Koumei and Shuukichi actually have similar/same eyes D:


Other question not directly related to the case:
Why was Fake Akai disguise with a cap first and then that hat? Akai and Rye were always wearing a beanie (at least what we saw). If Vermouth is a professional in disguises, why would she change the headgear to something else? Does that have any meaning? O_o" Or was that maybe just so, that Sera is still wearing the same hat even tho she got her "brothers" hat now.
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