My Theory On The Relationship Between Gin and Sherry

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My Theory On The Relationship Between Gin and Sherry

Postby secretbeauty101 » June 2nd, 2012, 8:40 am

Hi everyone, I just want to put this out there. At the moment it only stands as a theory, something I've thought up. Before I start, let me just point out the two things that have been bothering me for a while inrelations to this topic. Firstly, why does Gin always imagine Sherry naked when he thinks about her? Second, why does he seem to get a kick out of hunting her, as if he is a huntsman hunting a sly and slippery fox but is not concerned when he fails?

These questions have been stuck in the back of my mind for so long mainly because I think Gin might have an overactive obsession with Sherry. For example, say we don't go by everything we know about Sherry, like her telling us that she didn't play a very big role in the BO and that she was only there to oversee experiments for the APTX-4869. Say we dismiss this and assume that Sherry was in fact a very important person in the BO, she had her own nickname, where as her sister Akemi did not. Same goes for Akai Shuuichi who had to get promoted for his alcoholic nickname Rye.  I assume Sherry was so well known in the organisation that the lab she worked in had to be burned down because she managed to escape. This brings me to think that aside from Vermouth, maybe there was another Boss's favourite, i.e Sherry. Maybe the reason why Gin was so obsessed with her for a while was because just like Vermouth Sherry was also protected/shielded by the boss. In Volume 2 chapter 7 page 12, Gin says: 'She's(Sherry) is one of the top brains in our organisation...unlike you, she is an indispensable member.' So it is here that Gosho tells us Sherry is in fact very important after all which leads me to believe that Sherry was always a target for Gin; first sexually and now he wants her dead.

I hope I've still got all of your attention relating to the topic of this thread. What I've been trying to imply is that although Gosho is not giving us the full low down of what Gin's specific interests are for Sherry but I think Gin is playing a childish game of cat and mouse. First he could not harm her because she was a very important person in the BO, but now he has full permission from the boss to kill her. Therefore, now he can finally touch what was so out of his reach. While Sherry was in the BO her role gave her the power to reject Gin, compared to the other members in the BO such as Chianti, Korn and Vodka who are absolutely at his disposal, whereas Sherry and Vermouth had a mind of their own. On one occasion Gin has even said that if he could take down Vermouth he would but because she is the boss's favourite he can't. What I am trying to get at is maybe Sherry has always rejected Gin, maybe she managed to get into his head so much that his attraction for her became more of an obsession and violent hatred. He imagines Sherry naked because that is what he wishes but could never have, and so smartly Sherry managed to escape from right under his nose without the faintest idea that she shrunk into a 10-year-old girl's body. Gin has amazing detecting skills, but I'm sure his never managed to detect that.

In conclusion, to Gin Sherry has always been one step ahead of him, always just manages to slip right from his fingers. Gin probably enjoys this so much because it places a great challenge for him, something interesting, exciting, not always sure of the results and most of all something at first he wasn't allowed to have, but now he can. However, this time Conan is going to make sure that's the last thing that happens, yet again resulting into another cat and mouse chase.

I really hope you all understood what I just wrote and that it made a lot of sense, thanks for reading :)
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Postby User 4869 » June 2nd, 2012, 11:15 am

I don't remember Haibara say she is not important. I's always under the impression that she is very important. I'm not exactly sure Gin is after Sherry sexually. (or refuse to think that way.) But your other point like Gin obsess with someone who can escape him, that I agree with.
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Postby AICHAN » June 2nd, 2012, 12:07 pm

Well the Conan drill confirmed that they probably had a relationship in the past,so I'm not surprised that Gin imagines her naked.I guess it was more a sexual than romantic relationship.
Now that Sherry escaped from the BO,he hates her since he believe she betrayed him in a way...
So I agree with you about the fact that Gin is obsessed with killing Sherry because she managed to escape several times,so it's like a game to Gin.
However I don't think she was the Boss' favorite...I guess she was Gin's favorite and an important member but nothing more.
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Re: My Theory On The Relationship Between Gin and Sherry

Postby leokiko » June 2nd, 2012, 12:16 pm

If this was an seinen, an sexual relationship would be the most logical explanation. However, Gosho would never do that on a shounen. It's likely to be part of Gin's personality to chase people and a bit of favoritism with Sherry(for some uknown reason).
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Postby secretbeauty101 » June 2nd, 2012, 12:25 pm

I didn't mean to say that she said she was not important, what I meant to say was she gives us the impression that she wasn't a very important person in the BO. For example, not directly giving conan the exact info he needs on the BO and acting like she doesn't know alot about the organisation. I think Gin was interested in Sherry sexually, explains his reasons for always imagining her naked but because he couldn't have her led to his obsession with wanting her dead. I think she rejected him, hurt his pride and now his out for revenge. Gin is capable of killing someone with one shot, however he didn't do that with Sherry, something must have happened between them two for Gin to want her to suffer so much. Why this? What did Sherry do that was so bad for him to hate her with such a passion, and love hunting her even if he fails only to enjoy doing it all over again. Most likely because he so badly wants her to suffer so he can feel better in himself? The only possible conclusion I could come up with is that she probably rejected him and crushed his pride. However he couldn't touch her because she was an important person in the BO meanwhile his hatred for her grew and grew until Sherry became a traitor of the Organisation. Now that he has his chance, his not going to waste it all at once, instead his going to take it slow and enjoy it bit by bit so she suffers more for whatever it is she did to him. I might have went a bit off topic there, if so then I apologise.
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Re: My Theory On The Relationship Between Gin and Sherry

Postby leokiko » June 2nd, 2012, 12:35 pm

secretbeauty101 wrote:I think she rejected him, hurt his pride and now his out for revenge. Gin is capable of killing someone with one shot, however he didn't do that with Sherry, something must have happened between them two for Gin to want her to suffer so much. Why this? What did Sherry do that was so bad for him to hate her with such a passion, and love hunting her even if he fails only to enjoy doing it all over again. Most likely because he so badly wants her to suffer so he can feel better in himself? The only possible conclusion I could come up with is that she probably rejected him and crushed his pride. However he couldn't touch her because she was an important person in the BO meanwhile his hatred for her grew and grew until Sherry became a traitor of the Organisation. Now that he has his chance, his not going to waste it all at once, instead his going to take it slow and enjoy it bit by bit so she suffers more for whatever it is she did to him. I might have went a bit off topic there, if so then I apologise.

^Yea, I agree with this. That would explain his behavior on that scene on rooftop when he shot her.
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Re: My Theory On The Relationship Between Gin and Sherry

Postby Chekhov MacGuffin » June 2nd, 2012, 2:19 pm

leokiko wrote:If this was an seinen, an sexual relationship would be the most logical explanation. However, Gosho would never do that on a shounen. It's likely to be part of Gin's personality to chase people and a bit of favoritism with Sherry(for some uknown reason).
I think the issue was more: "this is a shounen, so whatever happened between them can't be said outright because it would be too mature. It has to be hinted around vaguely and left at that." This is how the martini thing turned out...

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Postby svetea » June 6th, 2012, 3:13 pm

^^^ where did you find that? It's fantastic
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Postby Chekhov MacGuffin » June 9th, 2012, 10:43 pm

svetea wrote:^^^ where did you find that? It's fantastic
Conan Drill pg 239. The translations were done by me and Abs. (mostly Abs.  ;))

Edit: My speculation about the connection between Gin and Sherry is here.
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Re: My Theory On The Relationship Between Gin and Sherry

Postby fredinalnumber » June 16th, 2012, 2:22 am

I'm not sure about the "imagining her naked" part. I didn't take it seriously because I just thought that Gosho simply decided to draw her that way.

Anyway, I guess we haven't seen Gin chasing another BO member who are on a runaway for so long, especially a female one. Rena didn't run away, she was simply doubted and regained the trust of BO after shooting Akai. Akai was in FBI and so was quite untouchable. Perhaps he would be this frustrated and obsessed had any other BO member manage to get away from him for so long.

This is especially so because Sherry, although an important member of BO, is only a young scientist. She is no master of disguise like Vermouth. She is no expert in martial arts or using weapons. She is probably not as good in hiding or spying as many other BO members like Kir, Chianti, Vermouth, etc. She also didn't have any friend in Japan, her family members were dead, so she shouldn't have anyone to run to. I think not being able to catch her for so long wouldn't look too good in front of the boss. I think if I were in Gin's shoes I might be just as obsessed as he would be right now in chasing Sherry. Hating her would be quite understandable, too.
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Re: My Theory On The Relationship Between Gin and Sherry

Postby Tenken » June 26th, 2012, 2:18 am

I'm not sure about the "imagining her naked" part. I didn't take it seriously because I just thought that Gosho simply decided to draw her that way.


Ditto.

Shiho sleeping with Gin? C'mon, she's not Vermouth II .. LOL
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Re: My Theory On The Relationship Between Gin and Sherry

Postby blackribbon » June 26th, 2012, 9:51 am

I'm kind of torn between whether it's just an artistic choice or whether it actually means something.

When I was younger, though, I honestly thought that he had sexually assaulted her, because she was just SO frightened of him. Then it turned out that she was that frightened of the other BO members too, so I dismissed that idea.

Still, I do think that there is something about how personal it seems to be for Gin. I agree with the theory that she may have rejected him.

Btw, the drink you get from mixing Gin and Sherry is called Straight Law.
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Re: My Theory On The Relationship Between Gin and Sherry

Postby sushimaster » June 29th, 2012, 5:22 pm

blackribbon wrote:Btw, the drink you get from mixing Gin and Sherry is called Straight Law.


Interesting...
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Re: My Theory On The Relationship Between Gin and Sherry

Postby Roguish Charm » February 13th, 2013, 4:33 pm

I guess we are not going to see a definite answer for how far along the relationship is between Sherry and Gin BUT we can draw our own conclusion

by far the most believable theory is that 1 Gin was rejected by Sherry and that made him obsessive OR 2 they had a sexual relationship that made her ashamed and made him obsessive

either way he's very obsessive

her sister asked her to find a boyfriend so either she was ashamed to confess what she did with him or she did not want her sister to worry about her safety being around a ruthless killer

in the hotel case Gin appeared to know a great deal about the way Shiho thinks and acts
he wanted her to suffer for escaping and at the same time he wanted her to die in kind of a sick romantic way bleeding on the snow
then when she escaped him again he wished to get to know the face of the man who's helping her hinting that she is so charming in a dark way she has a roguish charm if you will  :D ;D

any way Haibara is definitely ashamed of something that she is not willing to share with Conan not yet
and maybe she thought how would he fall for a woman like me - the lover of the ruthless killer - and why would he ever risk his life for me after he knows what I did
of course this shame is for more than her relationship with Gin

the bottom line would be they had a special relationship and we hope to learn more about its details
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Re: My Theory On The Relationship Between Gin and Sherry

Postby svon1 » February 13th, 2013, 5:59 pm

i dont think gin comes close to sherry

sherry was to valuable for the BO
perhaps he bullied her a few times (could be a reason why she fear him so much)

but i dont think much more was going on there
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