Files 743-752 Discussion Thread

[HayleyStark]

Don't need spoiler tags anymore cuz none of the above will ever happen.

[ArkAngel]

Who knows? 

[HayleyStark]

Who knows? 

There's a difference between speculations and hallucinations.

[ArkAngel]

Actually I was being sarcastic.

[caribou]

some thoughts:

Spoiler:

I think Chekhov rightly found (and confirmed by Kogoro's 'balloon' deduction) that the locations on the map form a tennis racket. In that case the first thing that would come to everyone's mind would be the Wimbledon on Saturday, since that would be the biggest tennis event in the area at that time of year. In that case, there's no need for the additional clue of 'Saturn' = Saturday, because everyone knows when the Wimbledon is. So I think that the letters 'ASATURN' (i included the wrongly discarded A), is meant to have another significance... unless it was meant to be a red herring.

so far the only thing I've found that might be relevant is that Kronos (Saturn) is the father of Hades and Hestia, among other gods. But I don't see how that helps.. Also, as someone else pointed out earlier, Kronos according to the mythology tried to eat his children...

As to the murderer's motive: (based on the translations that are already out)

- Hades' mother passed away last year in July.
- Minerva lost at the Roland Garros (French Open) last year. The French Open is played around May-June, this year it was May 23-June 6.
- we can guess that Hades had already been betting and investing and losing money by this point. Maybe he placed a last big bet on Minerva's win (since she was probably considered a shoo-in to win) but she lost the match, and he lost all his money then.

I kind of wonder if the case will go on to France, since 2 French events have been mentioned already (the French Open and the Tour de France). might be a coincidence though.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

some thoughts:
In that case the first thing that would come to everyone's mind would be the Wimbledon on Saturday, since that would be the biggest tennis event in the area at that time of year. In that case, there's no need for the additional clue of 'Saturn' = Saturday, because everyone knows when the Wimbledon is. So I think that the letters 'ASATURN' (i included the wrongly discarded A), is meant to have another significance... unless it was meant to be a red herring.
so far the only thing I've found that might be relevant is that Kronos (Saturn) is the father of Hades and Hestia, among other gods. But I don't see how that helps.. Also, as someone else pointed out earlier, Kronos according to the mythology tried to eat his children...

I think Saturn was a double hint. Saturn for Saturday, and also Saturn as the god to signify the connection to Minerva who also shares a Greco-Roman deity name.

[Mage-san]

I don't trust my memory that far, but I thought there was at least some reference to Hades handing the riddle out to a lot of kids.  Regarding anything else, I still think that disregarding the second A is a mistake on Conan's part.  The riddle seems to have a clue in every inch of it, as Gosho loves to do, and I don't think that Hades would really have them go around picking up letters if every one of them weren't meant to be used. 

Spoiler: potential case solution discussion

I think the second "A" was not a letter clue. It was only done to make the tennis racket look correct. After drawing the oval of the racket you have to return to the bridge in order to make a handle, otherwise you get a ... pointer finger.

That's definitely an idea, but I still don't think it should be dismissed.  Maybe I'm just stubborn, but I don't really remember a time when Gosho left a riddle that didn't have to be looked over two or three times before the full answer was clear.  Besides that, when Hades overheard Conan's deduction he was very smug about what he heard. (I also didn't mean to use that emote, I thought it's mouth was twitching - what I'd meant to use was something like this:  )

It may be possible that the second A points out the murder location?? Not sure how... I'm not much of a detective

[Schillok]

Finally caught up reading the newest chapters...

Spoiler:

Was there already mentioned that the Greek god "Hades" would be equal to "Pluto" in roman mythology? He fit into the whole naming scheme so well that I would think he is much closer related to Minerva, her trainer and family... 

I also think that the sentence "0 is love" is somehow related on why Minerva is faulting all of her serves. It would be the only way to be guaranteed that she does not score by accident.
If she intended to buy time, she would go to 40-40 and gain and lose "advantage" over and over to keep each game as long as possible. Since she does not even trying to do that it probably means she was forced to not score at all...

[Abs.]

To go with what Schillok wrote:

Spoiler:

Perhaps he is aiming to ruin the bookie by forcing Minerva to completely and utterly lose - there is no actual bomb, but merely the threat

After all, the bookie loses if someone places a huge bet on something impossible, such as Minerva scoring zero points in the final, right?

It would fit with the "peaceful" and "quiet" thing...

[scineram]

In that case, there's no need for the additional clue of 'Saturn' = Saturday[/b], because everyone knows when the Wimbledon is. So I think that the letters 'ASATURN' (i included the wrongly discarded A), is meant to have another significance... unless it was meant to be a red herring.

Interesting. Sadly, in the real world, or this fictional world, or any imaginable world in fact, no one really gives a shit about the wta. Slam finals are on Sundays, period. Except when the nation is so megalomaniac, it build such a huge stadium that cannot support a simple roof, in which case Mondays.

In other news I so new I was going to find something, and indeed I caught Gosho. They said Minerva is 4 times defender. I am sorry, but if you retire in Roland Garros final with injury, there is no hyping way you will defend SW19 in TWO DAMN WEEKS! So the story makes no sense. 

[GinRei]

To go with what Schillok wrote:

Spoiler:

Perhaps he is aiming to ruin the bookie by forcing Minerva to completely and utterly lose - there is no actual bomb, but merely the threat

After all, the bookie loses if someone places a huge bet on something impossible, such as Minerva scoring zero points in the final, right?

It would fit with the "peaceful" and "quiet" thing...

I'm leaning towards the message he left her saying something along the lines of "Lose in the most humiliating way possible and I'll only kill you.  Try anything else and the rest of your family, including the one you love, will die as well."  Granted, since Hades is a showman, he'd do so in more poetic wording.

[Abs.]

To go with what Schillok wrote:

Spoiler:

Perhaps he is aiming to ruin the bookie by forcing Minerva to completely and utterly lose - there is no actual bomb, but merely the threat

After all, the bookie loses if someone places a huge bet on something impossible, such as Minerva scoring zero points in the final, right?

It would fit with the "peaceful" and "quiet" thing...

I'm leaning towards the message he left her saying something along the lines of "Lose in the most humiliating way possible and I'll only kill you.  Try anything else and the rest of your family, including the one you love, will die as well."  Granted, since Hades is a showman, he'd do so in more poetic wording.

Hmm yeah that would make her plea make more sense.

Because if she only had to lose, she wouldn't be "help me!"

She'd just lose and save her loved ones

[ShiraKiryuu]

Spoiler:

Why do I get the feeling that the Diana lady is the one in disguise as someone else? Maybe it's just my imagination...

[GinRei]

Hmm yeah that would make her plea make more sense.

Because if she only had to lose, she wouldn't be "help me!"

She'd just lose and save her loved ones

Indeed.  And furthermore, this chapter set up a situation for the France expedition.  The gang has now agreed to some term given by Diana, which could be her going to Paris and wanting company.

[Citra Zaoldyeck]

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