Zerozaki4869 wrote:The sweatdrop on Bourbon after receiving it also shows his dillema, probably he somehow knows Wakita personally and probably thinks that wakita is a possible infiltrator in BO, so when Rum asks him to get dirt on Wakita Bourbon finds himself in the exact same place where Rye found him when he was ordered to kill Scotch.
Using "time is money" as "wakita" would suggest that Bourbon knows Wakita in the first place. But why would Bourbon know him? Also, if Rum really wanted to find anything about Wakita (assuming he's BO's executive), he would do that himself to minimalise the risk that Wakita would find out about that.
Otherwise, he would just send the name normally (assuming Wakita is not a BO). It would be kinda hard to track down a single SMS sent from one person to another, especially for Wakita if he's a BO. Rum probably would know if Wakita has access to a tele company and can read all the SMSs all people in Japan have sent.
Also, if Rum is so afraid of Wakita, why didn't he order killing him? Rum can order killing other BO agents, and Wakita isn't really in hiding...
EDIT: Also, for me the order of sentences is correct. Time is money, Bourbon, so hurry up. The reversed order would look kinda odd to me.
Nemomon wrote:You're becoming very aggresive when someone answers You something that is against Your ideas. You really should calm down, and stop thinking that people are attacking You.
If Wakita is a BO agent, Rum would say his codename instead of a riddle. BO almost never is using names (perhaps even never), but codenames. There is a fair chance that the BO agents among themselves don't know how each other are named. Rum assuming that Bourbon knows Wakita's name (or even him) is illogical. For example Akai was in the BO for a while, gained even a codename, and yet he allowed Calvados to kill himself. It looked as if one codenamed agent never meet another codenamed agent. So, even if Wakita is a BO agent, it doesn't mean that Bourbon must know him.
Like with Kudo in that message, Rum just sends what he wants, and it's your job to find out about who he wants some info. A simple question, how so Rum can be so sure that Bourbon even knows that Shinichi guy? For example I doubt that Tequila ever heard of him, Gin openly says he doesn't remember names, so for him Shinichi doesn't ring a bell as well. Not to mention that having the name in kanji helps a lot in searching for info. Having a riddle instead of kanji makes searching for info harder.
Rum can order investigating Kudo simply because Kudo won't know that someone is gathering info about him. Yet, if he wants to know more about another BO member, he as Rum has a better access to info than Bourbon, and since nobody knows him he could use that to gain info a codenamed agent would never get. Looking himself about some info about another agent would also mean that the risk of having that info being leaked is equal to zero. Giving that order to Bourbon means that there is always a risk that Wakita will find out that someone is gathering info about him. This way Rum also wouldn't need to send a cryptic message that would be understood by Wakita immediately anyway.
And yeah, probably we see the manga in different lights, because people can always be replaced regardless how good they are (like Pisco, or Sherry), and if Rum has some doubts about someone, it always better and safe just to kill them. There are probably many other skilled people within the BO that would take Wakita's place. Why would Rum without hesitation allow killing their top drugs creator - Sherry - a person they needed the most to continue their research, and yet hesitate killing some chef? Senseless to me.
blackmoon wrote:Hmm... have a gut feeling that the message could be related to the new movie 22 featuring Bourbon that is soon to be released. According to the trailer, Conan asked a question: "Why are you doing this?" to Zero, and there was a reply from him that "there is something\someone he must protect above all price." So... could it be that there is someone or something that is 'dear' to Bourbon being held captive in Rum's hands that he must protect above all price, and there is somehow a time-limit that if he does not fulfill the given mission within a certain time-limit that someone or something will be lost forever? Not an unreasonable assumption in my opinion.
PhantomWriter wrote:blackmoon wrote:Hmm... have a gut feeling that the message could be related to the new movie 22 featuring Bourbon that is soon to be released. According to the trailer, Conan asked a question: "Why are you doing this?" to Zero, and there was a reply from him that "there is something\someone he must protect above all price." So... could it be that there is someone or something that is 'dear' to Bourbon being held captive in Rum's hands that he must protect above all price, and there is somehow a time-limit that if he does not fulfill the given mission within a certain time-limit that someone or something will be lost forever? Not an unreasonable assumption in my opinion.
While that would be interesting, the films are separate from the manga and anime and are not considered canon. Along with it, trailers do things like that to build up hype. They include lines that aren't in the film or they splice dialogue together to make them sound as if they're continuous when they're not.
kkuuddoo wrote:After reading the main post and comments, I have a few comments
I believe that some BO members still go by their names like kusuda rikumichi, he is a non-code named Bo member, there may be more of them that we still don't know about. We know that the Bo members call each other with code-names unless they don't have one. However, we don't know if they know each other's names or not, so we cannot assume that they don't know each other's names only code-names.
The second point, I think that we might be reading to much into the English phrase " Time is Money". I believe that this phase is quite commonly used, I heard it countless times in school and training. I honestly don't think there is much to the phrase other than making sure Bourbon hurries to find and send him the information he needs. I am not sure if it just a coincidence that it spells the chef's name when translated into Japanese. Rum must know English, he might have traveled, or even lived abroad, and is used to using this phrase. However, I might be wrong and you might be right.
*For all we know the chef might be Rum asking Bourbon to find information about Shinichi after seeing the tweet and the reporters in front of his house. I am not saying that I think Rum is the Wakita, I am just saying that its a possibility since Gosho regards him as a RUM suspect.
Last but not least, I know I might be completely wrong, but I think the Iori has nothing to do with the RUM plot, and he is just there as Mimoji's butler.
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