Anyone thinking asaka is actually mary ??

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Anyone thinking asaka is actually mary ??

Postby Zero nichan » October 27th, 2017, 3:32 pm

Think of it in the beginning of asaca song case okiya (akai) asked ran and sonoko if there is a shady careful character who has martial arts skills near masumi
He also mentioned that this character's name is asaka but he wont reveal it
Maybe he was refferring to mary ?
And also think about mary when she know that the soul detective knows that asaka is female she reffer to it to be boring stuff
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Re: Anyone thinking asaka is actually mary ??

Postby K.O.R.N » October 27th, 2017, 7:25 pm

I don't think Mary can be Asaka at all. While it seems to tell you that some clues might indicate Asaka is Mary, first off Mary 17 years ago more than likely won't look like Asaka's photo. Another reason to believe that Mary is NOT Asaka is that Conan also thought Mary was Asaka. So, at this stage of the arc, most likely it is a red herring to make us think Conan is right.
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Re: Anyone thinking asaka is actually mary ??

Postby Nemomon » October 30th, 2017, 4:58 am

Can't check the files right now, but there is one more thing. Mary is Okiya's mother, so in theory her son should know what his mother was doing. But Okiya decided to join the FBI to investigate Tsutomu's death, and not Asaka's whereabouts. Plus, back then Mary would not spend her time with kids on the beach if she were Asaka, because she rather would be in hiding (only a few years have passed since that incident). You could say that the murder took place in thr America, and she's in Japan now, but Rum was there, and Rum is Japanese or at least works for an organisation that its HQ has in Japan, so staying in Japan for Asaka wouldn't be too safe.

So in my book there is no way Mary can be Asaka.
My dad’s a soldier blue I’ll be a soldier, too
When I grow older you will see me rescue you
I’ll teach you this old song so you can sing along
When I am dead and gone the day won’t be so long.
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Re: Anyone thinking asaka is actually mary ??

Postby Zerozaki4869 » October 30th, 2017, 12:38 pm

The biggest red flag in Mary is Asaka hypothesis is that "Mary would have known much more abut her usband if she had been Asaka." If she was Asaka she would know much more about Rum and BO and wouldn't have considered Japan as a safe heaven, (As Rum is probably Japanese and BO's base is Japan). One thing sticks out though, why Tsutomu thought that Japan would be a safer place for his family than Britain? Maybe he had an ally/allies in Japan like "Ethan Hondou, Hyoue Kuroda?"
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Re: Anyone thinking asaka is actually mary ??

Postby Nemomon » October 30th, 2017, 1:16 pm

Zerozaki4869 wrote:One thing sticks out though, why Tsutomu thought that Japan would be a safer place for his family than Britain? Maybe he had an ally/allies in Japan like "Ethan Hondou, Hyoue Kuroda?"


Maybe Mary can't return to Britain? We don't know for who she worked in the Great Britain, but we think that she was a part of MI6. The BO is also an international organisation. Maybe something happened in the Great Britain that Mary had to leave it ASAP, and that's why she couldn't return there and decided to stay in Japan?
My dad’s a soldier blue I’ll be a soldier, too
When I grow older you will see me rescue you
I’ll teach you this old song so you can sing along
When I am dead and gone the day won’t be so long.
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Re: Anyone thinking asaka is actually mary ??

Postby K.O.R.N » October 30th, 2017, 5:45 pm

Nemomon wrote:
Maybe Mary can't return to Britain? We don't know for who she worked in the Great Britain, but we think that she was a part of MI6. The BO is also an international organisation. Maybe something happened in the Great Britain that Mary had to leave it ASAP, and that's why she couldn't return there and decided to stay in Japan?


From my perspective, Tsutomu told his family to go to Japan for safety while he acted like a fodder for his family. This way BO's attention would go to him, not his family anymore. That's one kind of expected psychology you would think.

Mary going to Japan, for the second time (after Tsutomu told her) is not a confirmed course of action. What I initially thought is, she might have known that the scientist Shiho Miyano is alive, and is in Japan, so she would want to meet with Shiho to get back her adult form or something like that. How does she know Shiho is alive? We don't know for sure if she 100% knows this, or that she does, but Gosho hasn't revealed to us just yet. She has only asked Sera to go around and search for the antidote, and it seems Sera doesn't know that Shiho is alive right now either, so I think, Mary doesn't quite know Shiho is really alive at this point in time. A more convincing reason would be that there are allies in Japan like you said, that could help them out better. But even then, they still have to move from hotels to hotels a lot, so it doesn't seem like there's someone protecting them right now.

Above all, right now, I DO THINK, that Mary is looking for the bodyguard Asaka, and thinks, or knows very sure, that Asaka is still alive, based on the fact that Asaka is missing. Why? Again, we don't really have clues at this point, but judging how the Kouji case went, it's possible that Asaka at least knows Kouji, who already knows the Akai family, and so Mary knows Asaka to some extent as well. She probably heard from some source that Asaka has fled to Japan or something like that. As victims of Rum, they sure understand each other's situations. Tsutomu was most definitely DIRECTLY involved in the Kouji case before, based on HOW Subaru said to Conan. Thus, Tsutomu knowing who Asaka was at the time could be something that tells him, that making his family to Japan is a correct decision to make. I do think, that Tsutomu could trust Asaka to a great extent, and know that Asaka is on the good side (BO spy, BO traitor, or merely a secret agent from some unknown agencies). Getting into contact with Asaka, could very well help Mary look for good info from BO (assuming that Asaka knows enough of BO, is a former BO member, or a spy like Kir, etc), to locate the data of the antidote and such.
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Re: Anyone thinking asaka is actually mary ??

Postby Zerozaki4869 » October 30th, 2017, 10:22 pm

I was talking about the incident when "Tsutomu instructed Mary to go and stay in Japan 17 years ago." What prompted Tsutomu to say that? I think 17 years ago Tsutomu had a very little chance toknow who was Asaka. I don't think he would even consider Asaka turstworthy to entrust the safety of his family. But he still said that Japan is safer place for Mary and co. 17 years ago. Why did he think that? Why didn't he consider say, "Poland, Portugal, South-Korea, China, India?" This proves he had some friends and allies hanging out in Japan and could tell them to watch-over his family. Now they went back to England after some incident and Kichi remained back. The question is at that time did someone who was watching over them/Tsutomu's active ally got targeted and they had to leave.

As for Asaka not being Mary, the biggest red flag is , "Then Tsutomu would surely have known who Asaka is and Mary would know who the horrible people are. The mail won't make much sense."
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Re: Anyone thinking asaka is actually mary ??

Postby K.O.R.N » October 30th, 2017, 10:38 pm

Yes, I think it's likely Tsutomu knows who Asaka is, because both are involved in the Kouji case and they are NOT the same person. Also, I don't think that there are allies of Mary in Japan who can help her because she and Sera has to keep running from places to places. They are not under any protection programs at all. If Mary was Asaka, and Mary (as Asaka) was directly involved in the case, and Tsutomu was also directly involved in the case, then Tsutomu wouldn't need to message Mary that he made enemies with horrible people.
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Re: Anyone thinking asaka is actually mary ??

Postby Zerozaki4869 » October 31st, 2017, 11:33 am

You're not getting my point. Why Tsutomu thought that Japan was a safer country for his family than UK? Now why do you think that Tsutomu's ally have to arrange for an witness protection programme to keep his family safe? They can just keep a tab on them from the shadows and Hyoue Kuroda and Ethan Hondou lokked to be that sort of men who can keep a tab on people without revealing themselves.

Also you tend to equate Mary and Masumi's current condition with their past condition. The thing is we really don't know that 17 years ago after coming to Japan Mary and co. really spent their lives switching hotels and all or not. But under current condition they're dong that and a wealthy person is financing them. There's no clue that the same wealthy person bore their expenses that time or not. But I do have hint that someone was there to take care of Mary and Co. and at the same time keeping them safe. Now probably when that person was targeted Mary had to leave back.
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Re: Anyone thinking asaka is actually mary ??

Postby kentasaiba » October 31st, 2017, 11:51 am

Japan is safer, because the homicide rate is quite low compared with other countrys.
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Re: Anyone thinking asaka is actually mary ??

Postby K.O.R.N » November 1st, 2017, 7:25 am

kentasaiba wrote:Japan is safer, because the homicide rate is quite low compared with other countrys.


I don't think it's just about homicide. And this is DC universe so it could very well be different. Sure, it's safer, which is what Tsutomu thinks, but he thinks there are people that can help his family out to make sure they are safe. That's a more viable reason. Or, an alternate explanation to Tsutomu's message is, "See you all in Japan later". Meaning, while he's running away from BO's pursuit, he still finds ways to contact his family remotely under someone else's name, and judging by the current timeline, he could very well be in Japan already (assuming he is Kuroda, for example).
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