Detective Magic wrote:Well, I know it will sound very offensive and maybe as if I wanted to attack you but it's not meant to be this way.
No problem there, mate. Everything's cool!
Detective Magic wrote:So if you - especially @Kor and @Haibara & Aika ryona
I'm Kor, so my only response is just what Kor thinks.
Detective Magic wrote:think the series is so bad
I don't believe it's "so bad". As I tried to explain in my post. Fiction writing is art, there's nuance to consider.
it doesn't have any mysteries
It most certainly does have mysteries. It's too bad some of them aren't tackled more often, though!
pacing is horrible
... yeah sorry, the pacing is horrible. If there's someone who thinks otherwise... good for them, I suppose.
and there's nothing good in it (that's what I'm assuming from your posts, if I'm wrong please correct me)
I shall correct you, then. I think you are entirely misconstruing my text and are trying to apply some blanket statements onto it. My main intention behind these posts was to show what the series is
. If my interpretation of what the nature of the series is and its writing sounds extremely negative for you, welp... maybe I'm simply at fault for not framing where I'm coming from more properly. I'd welcome you to reread my posts under somewhat different lenses and tell me (probably via PM) if you still feel the same as above.
On the other hand I don't think you should assume there's a good vs bad dichotomy going on there either.
I certainly never said there's nothing good in it. There's lot of good. Like that case that Heiji shows up at Agasa's place so he and Conan go and investigate Jodie? That was some good stuff! Especially that point in the end of the ep in which Heiji is like "if any other suspicious people show up call me". Too bad that at this point Conan and Heiji don't seem to remember that line, as there are tons of suspicious people around, yet Conan hasn't called Heiji yet about it, and meanwhile Heiji is stuck in a really weird loop of not being able to confess and also with some chick from Kyoto who has the hots for him and it's completely meaningless cause of course we know he'll end up with Kazuha.
(Yes, I'm aware I started from a positive point and ended on a critical point. Sort of was my intention here).
Why do you still read/watch it? You could just leave it alone for the fans who actually enjoy it.
But... this is such a weird thing to say. This sort of implies that you don't wish there to be any form of discussion about the series that isn't positive. Should only people who enjoy every possible second of a Thing be allowed to talk about Thing? Should we not have discussions about the nature of the series, or Gosho's storytelling abilities or his prowess as a writer?
Let me rehash again why I entered this discussion in the first place (if I have to do so for the 3nd time, I suppose my intention got pretty jumbled, but oh well!):
Some people said that this series is like a puzzle. I wanted to explain why I don't think that is the case and that perhaps you're mistaking the series for something that it isn't. Following that, we went into a bit more specifics. Now, instead of you coming up with counter points why you think that the pacing is good (for example), or that the series is actually like a puzzle (another example), or that Gosho is actually a superb storyteller, your talking point is basically along the lines of "you don't enjoy it, why do you watch it". This type of question completely devolves the discussion. Instead of talking about the fiction, about the art, you're diverting the subject of discussion to Kor (and that other user who isn't Kor). I don't think that type of thing should happen to be perfectly honest. I don't want any discussion about a piece of art to devolve and be about Kor
(or any individual fan you can think of. Kor's just an example here. Also Apologies if it was cringe worthy to see me refer to myself in 3rd person. It hurt me more than you... probably.)
Or you could do what I am doing with some TV series, once a few weeks check what's going on.
I generally try to refrain from telling people how they should spend their time (or how to watch stuff), so... you do you, I do I... me... yes. :V
(there's also some joke in here about checking Conan once a few weeks considering the amount of breaks, but I shall leave that unsaid
annidaulya wrote:This is really the first time I want to out from my "silent reader" title and write in this forum.
I consider myself as Conan loyal-fans, like most of you here.
What I want really to say is I dislike such a unimportant discussion which out of the topic thread.
Read some of you left comment such as doubtful feeling towards Gosho or this manga (and more) was weird to me.
Pretty please make a good thread to read, and it is about the topic (or chapter itself).
Well, perhaps it's only me.
I'm sorry for saying this tho.
But I really like this forum for long time now and always excited to read the discussion, but not with the doubt or negativity toward how the story will goes. Regards.
'sup! Nice to meet and glad to have you here.
While I do not share your opinion that this discussion is unimportant or that it's negative, I can see where you're coming from and that it did go off topic for this thread. We did have in the past such discussions in Case Discussion Threads, and otherwise we're in the middle of a really long break so there isn't much to talk about until the break ends anyway. Still, I don't mind ending it here.
That said, I don't think it should feel weird for you to see opinions about Gosho and the manga that aren't necessarily positive.