Shogi pieces and their corresponding Kanji readings(both On and Kun styles)

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Shogi pieces and their corresponding Kanji readings(both On and Kun styles)

Postby Zerozaki4869 » June 17th, 2017, 10:09 am

As we know from recent developments in our Kohji case analysis, there was seemingly a Shogi piece in Haneda's palm, which was also a part of the dying message(as Haneda gripped the scissors to conceal this piece.So it's fairly important in decoding the message.)

So here we go,
Shogi-Piece...............ON' reading.......................Kun' reading
King(Upper-rank)..............Ou Sou...........................Kimi [Hikiiru, Motte, Hata]

King(lower-rank)...............Gyoku Sou......................Tama [Hikiiru, Motte, Hata]

Rook...............................Hi Sha...........................[Tobu,Tobasu] Kuruma

Rook(promoted)...................Ryuu ou........................Tatsu Kimi

Bishop..............................[Kaku, Roku, Koku]...........[Tsundo, Kado, Sumi] [Iku, Yuku, Okunau]
.......................................[Kou, Gyou, An]
Bishop(promoted)................[Ryuu, Rou]......................Tatsu Uma
........................................[Ba, me, Ma]

Kinght...............................Kei [Ba, Me, Ma]...................Katsura Uma

Knight(promoted)...................[Sei, Jou] Kei.....................[Naru, Tarigeru, Nasu] Katsura

Lance.................................[Kou, Kyou] [Sha, Kyo].............[Kaori, Ka] Kuruma

Lance(promoted)..................[Sei, Jou] [Kou, Kyou]..............[Naru, Tarigeru, Nasu] [Kaori, Ka]

Silver general.................................Gin Sou.........................Shirogane [Hikiiru, Motte, Hata]

Silver general(promoted)...............[Sei, Jou] Gin.....................[Naru, Tarigeru, Nasu] Shirogane

Gold General.................................Kin Sou...........................Kane [Hikiiru, Motte, Hata]

Pawn..................................[Ho, Bu, Fu] [Hei Hyou].....................[Aruku Ayumu Ayumi]
............................................................................................... [Suwamaona Ikusa]
Pawn promoted .................................???.................................................???

[] that there are alternate Romaji readings of the given kanji.
I wasn't able to get the promoted pawn but I'll update soon.
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Re: Shogi pieces and their corresponding Kanji readings(both On and Kun styles)

Postby Tantei San » June 21st, 2017, 1:35 pm

Tbh, i did discuss with other peeps i know and i guess that the Message also stated the UMASCARA having UMA as in the Promoted Bishop ,where IF/WAS RUM a just a normal member and then he was promoted.
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Shogi Piece --> Character Names analysis

Postby Chekhov MacGuffin » June 21st, 2017, 3:44 pm

Reserving Post for doing "Shogi Piece --> Character Names analysis." (Mostly to force myself not to be lazy later)
Because if shogi or chess pieces are potentially part of the dying message, and dying messages are typically names, then this is a sensible preparation step.
音=on readings, 訓=kun readings, 名=name readings, 英=meaning

Katsumata Chikara = Knight or Promoted Knight(?)
Spoiler:
Summary: The "Cassia" of the knight and +knight which is on-read as Kei for shogi can also be name-read as Katsu. (The 又力 part bothers me a lot and I would like some help.)

勝又 力 = Katsumata Chikara

勝 -- [音] shou [訓] ka.tsu -ga.chi masa.ru sugu.reru katsu [名] kachi to yoshi [英] victory; win; prevail; excel
又 -- [音] yuu [訓] mata mata- mata.no- [名] yasu [英] or again; furthermore; on the other hand
力 -- [音] ryoku riki rii [訓] chikara [名] jikara tsutomu [英] power; strength; strong; strain; bear up; exert

桂馬 = keima = knight = cassia horse. Abbreviated (N, 桂, kei)
成桂 = narikei = promoted knight = promoted cassia. Abbreviated (+N, 圭 or 今)


桂 -- [音] kei [訓] katsura [名] katsu yoshi ka [英] Japanese Judas-tree; cinnamon tree
馬 -- [音] ba [訓] uma uma- ma [名] ta ban me mo [英] horse
成 -- [音] sei jou [訓] na.ru na.su -na.su [名] aki akira shige son tae nao nari naru nori hira masa yoshi ri [英] turn into; become; get; grow; elapse; reach
為 -- [音] i [訓] tame na.ru na.su su.ru tari tsuku.ru nari [英] change; be of use; reach to; do; try; practice; cost; serve as
圭 -- [音] kei ke [名] ka kiyo tama yoshi kado kiyoshi [英] square jewel; corner; angle; edge
今 -- [音] kon kin [訓] ima [名] na [英] now


Wakasa Rumi
Spoiler:
若狭 留美 = Wakasa Rumi

若 -- [音] jaku nyaku nya [訓] waka.i waka- mo.shikuwa mo.shi mo.shikuha goto.shi [名] waku wako [英] young; if; perhaps; possibly; low number; immature
狭 -- [音] kyou kou [訓] sema.i seba.meru seba.maru sa [名] haza [英] cramped; narrow; contract; tight
留 -- [音] ryuu ru [訓] to.meru to.maru todo.meru todo.maru ruuburu [名] tome [英] detain; fasten; halt; stop
美 -- [音] bi mi [訓] utsuku.shii [名] haru yoshi yoshimi ri [英] beauty; beautiful

狭い -- 動ける(逃げられる)マスが少ないこと。


Kuroda Hyoue = Pawn(?)
Spoiler:
Summary: Hyoue contains the pawn character 兵.

黒田 兵衛 = Kuroda Hyoue

黒 -- [音] koku [訓] kuro kuro.zumu kuro.i [英] black
田 -- [音] den [訓] ta [名] inaka oka tan de tou ya [英] rice field; rice paddy
兵 -- [音] hei hyou [訓] tsuwamono [名] he [英] soldier; private; troops; army; warfare; strategy; tactics
衛 -- [音] ei e [名] mori i mamoru [英] defense; protection

歩兵 = fuhyō = pawn = foot soldier. Abbreviated (P, 歩, fu)

歩 -- [音] ho bu fu [訓] aru.ku ayu.mu [名] a yuki yumi [英] walk; counter for steps
兵 -- [音] hei hyou [訓] tsuwamono [名] he [英] soldier; private; troops; army; warfare; strategy; tactics


Wakita Kanenori (Promoted silver?)
Spoiler:
Summary: Alternate name readings for promoted silver's kanji make NoriKane which is Kanenori flipped.

脇田 兼則 = Wakita Kanenori

脇 -- [音] kyou [訓] waki wake [英] armpit; the other way; another place; flank; supporting role
田 -- [音] den [訓] ta [名] inaka oka tan de tou ya [英] rice field; rice paddy
兼 -- [音] ken [訓] ka.neru -ka.neru [名] kane [英] concurrently; and; beforehand; in advance
則 -- [音] soku [訓] notto.ru [名] nori [英] rule; follow; based on; model after

成銀 = narigin = promoted silver (general) = promoted silver. Abbreviated (+S, 全)

銀 -- [音] gin [訓] shirogane [名] un kana kane [英] silver
成 -- [音] sei jou [訓] na.ru na.su -na.su [名] aki akira shige son tae nao nari naru nori hira masa yoshi ri [英] turn into; become; get; grow; elapse; reach
為 -- [音] i [訓] tame na.ru na.su su.ru tari tsuku.ru nari [英] change; be of use; reach to; do; try; practice; cost; serve as
將 -- [音] shou sou [訓] masa.ni hata hikii.ru motte [名] masaru [英] commander; general; admiral
全 -- [音] zen [訓] matta.ku sube.te [名] take masa [英] whole; entire; all; complete; fulfill


Asaka = Lance(?)
Spoiler:
浅香 = Asaka
Summary: Asaka contains a lance character

浅 -- [音] sen [訓] asa.i [名] aza sa [英] shallow; superficial; frivolous; wretched; shameful
香 -- [音] kou kyou [訓] ka kao.ri kao.ru [名] ko koo hyan yoshi [英] incense; smell; perfume

香車 = kyōsha = Lance = incense chariot. Abbreviated (L, 香, kyō)
成香 = narikyō = Promoted lance = promoted incense. Abbreviated (+L, 杏 or 仝)


香 -- [音] kou kyou [訓] ka kao.ri kao.ru [名] ko koo hyan yoshi [英] incense; smell;
車 -- [音] sha [訓] kuruma [名] kura kuroma [英] car
成 -- [音] sei jou [訓] na.ru na.su -na.su [名] aki akira shige son tae nao nari naru nori hira masa yoshi ri [英] turn into; become; get; grow; elapse; reach
為 -- [音] i [訓] tame na.ru na.su su.ru tari tsuku.ru nari [英] change; be of use; reach to; do; try; practice; cost; serve as
杏 -- [音] kyou an kou [訓] anzu [名] ryou [英] apricot
仝 -- together, same; surname


Haneda Kohji
Spoiler:
羽田 浩司 = Haneda Kohji

羽 -- [音] u [訓] wa wa hane [名] shuu ba [英] feathers; counter for birds, rabbits
田 -- [音] den [訓] ta [名] inaka oka tan de tou ya [英] rice field; rice paddy
浩 -- [音] kou [訓] ooki.i hiro.i [名] hiro hiroshi yutaka koo [英] wide expanse; abundance; vigorous
司 -- [音] shi [訓] tsukasado.ru [名] tsu tsuka tsukasa [英] director; official; govt office; rule; administer


Haneda Shuukichi
Spoiler:
羽田 秀吉 = Haneda Shuukichi

羽 -- [音] u [訓] wa wa hane [名] shuu ba [英] feathers; counter for birds, rabbits
田 -- [音] den [訓] ta [名] inaka oka tan de tou ya [英] rice field; rice paddy
秀 -- [音] shuu [訓] hii.deru [名] shu shou hide hideshi ho [英] excel; excellence; beauty; surpass
吉 -- [音] kichi kitsu [訓] yoshi [名] e ki kiっ kiru koshi to yo [英] good luck; joy; congratulations
土 -- [音] do to [訓] tsuchi [名] tsu tsuku wa hiji [英] soil; earth; ground; Turkey


Mary Sera
Spoiler:
メアリー 世良 = Mary Sera (?? + Gundam)

世 -- [音] sei se sou [訓] yo [名] toshi yu yuki [英] generation; world; society; public
良 -- [音] ryou [訓] yo.i -yo.i i.i -i.i [名] ji naga makoto yoshi ra ryo rou [英] good; pleasing; skilled


Akai Tsutomu
Spoiler:
赤井 務武 = Akai Tsutomu (Gundam + Gundam)

赤 -- [音] seki shaku [訓] aka aka- aka.i aka.ramu aka.rameru [名] a ako ama [英] red
井 -- [音] sei shou [訓] i [名] ino sai hi [英] well; well crib; town; community
務 -- [音] mu [訓] tsuto.meru [名] tsukasa mi [英] task; duties
武 -- [音] bu mu [訓] take take.shi [名] u o takeshi taken n [英] warrior; military; chivalry; arms


(Gosho really likes the 田 character in this arc)
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Re: Shogi pieces and their corresponding Kanji readings(both On and Kun styles)

Postby Max1996 » June 21st, 2017, 4:45 pm

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:Reserving Post for doing "Shogi Piece --> Character Names analysis." (Mostly to force myself not to be lazy later)
Because if shogi or chess pieces are potentially part of the dying message, and dying messages are typically names, then this is a sensible preparation step.
音=on readings, 訓=kun readings, 名=name readings, 英=meaning
Still the needful: Kuroda Hyoue • Wakasa Rumi • Wakita Kanenori • Mary Sera • Akai Tsutomu

Katsumata Chikara = Knight or Promoted Knight(?)
Spoiler:
Summary: The "Cassia" of the knight and +knight which is on-read as Kei for shogi can also be name-read as Katsu. (The 又力 part bothers me a lot and I would like some help.)

勝又 力 = Katsumata Chikara

勝 -- [音] shou [訓] ka.tsu -ga.chi masa.ru sugu.reru katsu [名] kachi to yoshi [英] victory; win; prevail; excel
又 -- [音] yuu [訓] mata mata- mata.no- [名] yasu [英] or again; furthermore; on the other hand
力 -- [音] ryoku riki rii [訓] chikara [名] jikara tsutomu [英] power; strength; strong; strain; bear up; exert

桂馬 = keima = knight = cassia horse. Abbreviated (N, 桂 )
成桂 = narikei = promoted knight = promoted cassia. Abbreviated (+N, 圭 or 今)


桂 -- [音] kei [訓] katsura [名] katsu yoshi ka [英] Japanese Judas-tree; cinnamon tree
馬 -- [音] ba [訓] uma uma- ma [名] ta ban me mo [英] horse
成 -- [音] sei jou [訓] na.ru na.su -na.su [名] aki akira shige son tae nao nari naru nori hira masa yoshi ri [英] turn into; become; get; grow; elapse; reach
為 -- [音] i [訓] tame na.ru na.su su.ru tari tsuku.ru nari [英] change; be of use; reach to; do; try; practice; cost; serve as
圭 -- [音] kei ke [名] ka kiyo tama yoshi kado kiyoshi [英] square jewel; corner; angle; edge
今 -- [音] kon kin [訓] ima [名] na [英] now

Ok...This could point to a possible connection between Chikara Katsumata and Tsutomu Akai, but it's more likely to be a coincidence/red herring of some kind.
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Re: Shogi pieces and their corresponding Kanji readings(both On and Kun styles)

Postby Zerozaki4869 » June 21st, 2017, 8:45 pm

Tantei San wrote:Tbh, i did discuss with other peeps i know and i guess that the Message also stated the UMASCARA having UMA as in the Promoted Bishop ,where IF/WAS RUM a just a normal member and then he was promoted.


There are two serious yet unfounded assumptions you're making over here.
1) Rum was just another member of BO, 17years ago.(It looks completely opposite though. Rum had access to prototype of APTX, the mere information of which is classified to member's like Gin. As Gin mentioned in the 1st chapter that this drug(new APTX) is a brand new poison, while it was just a continuation of an old research.)
2) Haneda Kohji knew about Rum and internal workings of BO.(Which I find totally hilarious as it indirectly implies that Haneda also was a BO member. But to get to this sort of assumption we need proof that Haneda knew about internal workings of BO. Which currently we lack and on the contrary Gosho is giving us hints about how unplanned was Kohji's murder a very uncharacteristic thing of BO, a job which Rum screwed up.)
3) As for the mirror, I don't pay any heed to it because it was broken not cut under water.(The casing, the shards still sticking to the casing in the place of U MASCARA, proof enough that it was broken.)

Chek you might have messed up a bit about Wakita, Nori-Kane will mean promoted gold general but such a piece doesn't exist in the first place.

As you've decoded names what intrigues me more, that both Kuroda and Wakita's name implies that they were related in Kohji case(same Den Kanji in Haneda). (BTWKoji is also the name of a fungus used in fermentation.)

Basically Kuroda's name involve Black(BO), Rice(Haneda),Troop(operative),Protector(NOC).
Wakita 's name involve The other way(Law-enforcement/probably PSB or FBI), Rice(Haneda),And(and), Modeled after.
Asaka's name involve Wretched(Evil),Perfume(good on appearance). A wretched person yet good on the eyes.
Rumi's name involves Beauty, detained, cramped, immature. So probably an immature decision has put her in a fix.
Chikara's name is Win(get the job done) on the other-hand(contrary) strength(being a bigshot).
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Re: Shogi pieces and their corresponding Kanji readings(both On and Kun styles)

Postby mtcc » August 5th, 2017, 1:43 pm

There is also
Chu Shogi and Dai Shogi and Ko Shogi: they have lots of pieces

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