(made up theory) the reason behind vermouth kept shinichi's condition a secret + theory around Vermouth

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(made up theory) the reason behind vermouth kept shinichi's condition a secret + theory around Vermouth

Postby Themaninarmor » March 10th, 2017, 9:30 am

Well almost all of fans said that the reason why she didn't tell the BO about Shinichi and Shiho condition is to protect them but after re-read the conversation between Yukiko and Vermouth in the Mystery train case. i found something intriguing about the last moment of the conversation.

When Yukiko asked vermouth if the software made by suguru itakura was the reason behind vermouth kept about shinichi condition a secret. She didn't say anything and end their conversation quickly.

Then what is the significance of it? Well... If you look at all of important conversation between two character which end up with unanswered question like jodie and vermouth, sera and conan, etc. i think that was Gosho's way of telling clue to fans.

And what does it mean?

it means that somehow she wanted to protect something else beside conan by not telling their condition, but something was not match up... first the request of that software is 2 years ago and vermouth contacted suguru around one years ago before shinichi shrunken. Then does it mean it would be bad for her (not only for shinichi sake but for her too) if BO found the fact that shinichi was shrunken.

well i have two made up reason to explain her reason..

1. She have an important person which have shrunken because of the drug, but you can say it may support one of theory about anokata too. well i'm not sure about this theory and i'm one of the people who doesn't believe it. but if BO boss is someone important to her then the theory about "anokata was shrunken to child body and she was the one who kept it secret" become possible. Or it can be another member.

2. The one thing that kept her from doing BO's order is because that important person (either it is the boss or another people), so maybe he would protect conan and destroy BO from inside to free that important person from BO. Oh... Isn't she said that only two people she loved most in the world, one of them is ran, and maybe the other one is the one i refer as the importan one.

oh another made up reason

the reason she hate shiho and her parent so much can be explained by this made up theory. the cause is point 1 that i stated before.

Ok this is my theory, and like i said it is only made up theory. ;D

Still it's possible to be true right? Wahahaha...

Edit :
It seems there are many fans who have same thought... and this is just a common/old theory after all ;D.

So i will add up every speculation in my mind about vermouth and change the title little bit (i hope it doesn't break any rule).

I will update it soon
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Re: (made up theory) the reason behind vermouth kept shinichi's condition a secret + theory around Vermouth

Postby yuukichang » May 11th, 2017, 11:37 pm

I think the reason behind Vermouth doesn't want to reveal Conan real's identity is because she owes him a lot (during the NY Case) Still, she wanted to kill Ai because of her parents invention of aptx 4869. I think Vermouth took some medicine like that makes her youth eternal and leads her to have a grudge with Ai's parents. Also Vermouth might be the wife of anokata.
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Re: (made up theory) the reason behind vermouth kept shinichi's condition a secret + theory around Vermouth

Postby Ahococacola Screamer » May 12th, 2017, 8:13 pm

I think Vermouth hates Shiho because 1. The research the Miyanos might have done on her, or 2. Gin likes Shiho, or the other way around, while Vermouth really likes Gin. Vermouth has gained basically eternal youth as we see, and I think there is something much more sinister as a side effect of the drug that we don't know yet. I tend to think that Vermouth wants to kill Shiho because of both reasons as I state. The hatred she has for Shiho is as sharp as knife so these 2 things might have caused great dents in Vermouth's life for a long time.

She also wants to keep Shin alive, because she considers him a treasure of her life, as in New York case. Another thing is, her age secret might be leaked if BO learns that Shin is alive and shrunk as of now. This shrinking will make BO think of Shiho, who was able to escape from the handcuffs back then in such an impossible manner. After the Mystery Train, BO is assured that Shiho was killed, so if she is alive now, Vermouth will be impeached by Gin, leading her reputation to be tainted in the org, and might result in her being killed, even if she is Anokata's favorite. In other words, she has to hide any of this info from BO, so Shin is let live from occasions to occasions.
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Re: (made up theory) the reason behind vermouth kept shinichi's condition a secret + theory around Vermouth

Postby alex_mercer09 » May 14th, 2017, 11:12 am

I was wondering: is it possible that the secret Bourbon was talking about Vermouth is that she and Sharon are the same person i.e. shes not 'age'

Since Bourbon doens't know about the 'de-aging' due to ATPX? Jodie found out proof through fate, I'd say. But bourbon may have stumbled upon or reseached some different evidence. Also given if she de-aged due to ATPX which only boss knows and no other member knows.

If others found out it would be a problem for her and might reveal Conan and Haibara shrinking. Also, Bourbon is revealed to know about Conan being the brains behind sleeping Kogoro but hasnt linked Shinichi with Conan yet.
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Re: (made up theory) the reason behind vermouth kept shinichi's condition a secret + theory around Vermouth

Postby Ahococacola Screamer » May 14th, 2017, 12:22 pm

alex_mercer09 wrote:I was wondering: is it possible that the secret Bourbon was talking about Vermouth is that she and Sharon are the same person i.e. shes not 'age'

Since Bourbon doens't know about the 'de-aging' due to ATPX? Jodie found out proof through fate, I'd say. But bourbon may have stumbled upon or reseached some different evidence. Also given if she de-aged due to ATPX which only boss knows and no other member knows.

If others found out it would be a problem for her and might reveal Conan and Haibara shrinking. Also, Bourbon is revealed to know about Conan being the brains behind sleeping Kogoro but hasnt linked Shinichi with Conan yet.


Possibly. We don't know how much Bourbon knows of Vermouth's personal life, really. I think he might know the relationship between Vermouth and boss, but not 100%. The relationship must be shocking enough to reveal and so Bourbon might have sensed the boss' Archilles heel or something like that.

There has been no indication of Bourbon knowing that Shiho shrinks and is Ai now, as well as Shinichi being Conan now as well. I assume if he has already known this, then everything is quite clear right now - he has found Shiho and will bring her back to BO to advance on his ranks to get closer to the boss, as he is trying to do with Shuichi. So, the only thing it seems, that Bourbon knows at present is Vermouth's relationship with the boss.
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Re: (made up theory) the reason behind vermouth kept shinichi's condition a secret + theory around Vermouth

Postby Themaninarmor » May 14th, 2017, 1:13 pm

alex_mercer09 wrote:I was wondering: is it possible that the secret Bourbon was talking about Vermouth is that she and Sharon are the same person i.e. shes not 'age'

Since Bourbon doens't know about the 'de-aging' due to ATPX? Jodie found out proof through fate, I'd say. But bourbon may have stumbled upon or reseached some different evidence. Also given if she de-aged due to ATPX which only boss knows and no other member knows.

If others found out it would be a problem for her and might reveal Conan and Haibara shrinking. Also, Bourbon is revealed to know about Conan being the brains behind sleeping Kogoro but hasnt linked Shinichi with Conan yet.


Well. About the secret, there are 3 possible things for what is the secret that Bourbon knows.

1. It is like what you said.

2. Maybe Bourbon knows the real connection between Vermouth and ano kata. A lot of theories suggested that ano kata is Vermouth's lover or father or grandfather.

3. Maybe he knows the real reason why Vermouth joined BO or he knows what will Vermouth do now which will be bad if the BO knows about it, maybe he knows she will betray BO.

That's all II can think of for now, but my choice is number 3 because it supports my theory.

As for number 1: well, it's possible too, if we consider Bourbon's and Elena's relationship. If he was close to Elena maybe he knows a bit about the experiments or the guinea pigs for the experiments.

But I think she didn't hide it to protect Conan and Haibara in the first place. Because if the reason that Vermouth contacted Saguru 2-3 years ago has a connection with the reason for keeping the shrunken effect a secret, then she was already working on it for at least 2 years ago before Conan and Haibara shrunk. Maybe it was for the sake of someone else or for her own sake.

And many people said that Vermouth is protecting Conan because she owes him (NY case): yes, I agree with that but is that all? I think there is another reason and these 2 points explain why she'd have another reason.

First: we don't know why she ended up in the BO in the first place.
Second: she killed a lot of people, but we still don't think her as a cold blooded killer like Gin, Vodka, Chianti, Korn. Why? Because it seems that she does it for a purpose and she is forced to do the BO's dirty jobs.

I think she's doing it for someone else's sake and she must live for them: that's why she owes Conan for saving her life. Maybe for the sake of them she helps Conan to destroy BO but, because of the person she's protecting, she can't help Conan too much.
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