Nemomon wrote:About her knowing that the golf player will murder someone, I don't think we should judge her that she didn't do anything to prevent that. It is not that she knew for sure that a murder attempt will happen, and also she didn't have any proof that it will happen. So You think she should have to go to the police station with "I think my neighbour will murder his ex. Why? Because he said their dinner will be their last one." But they're ex for a reason! It wouldn't be strange for them to have a last ever dinner...
Therefore we really should not jump into conclusion that she knew about murder and did nothing. Perhaps she knew, but she didn't have any ways to prevent it.
She may have some evil sides, because we know she isn't really a teacher but skilled in fighting person, and because of job she had she had to control her emotions and keep cool during all extreme situations, but it doesn't mean that she's purely evil.
k11chi wrote:She did do something about it though. She took Conan to witness the crime scene, waiting for it to happen. It's possible she wants to see if Conan can prevent the crimes while knowing nothing beforehand to make herself feel good about Amanda's or Kohji's death. Maybe she wants to keep playing these scenarios over and over again to make a point out of it to herself.
ShadowNeo wrote:To be honest, I really like Rumi Wakasas cringe way of solving problems just as rescuing Ayumi.
I think most people would say she is evil now after seeing that side of her, but I personally think she is definitely on Conans side.
BUT what i am not sure about is: Conan mentions something with her right eye.. I went throught the chapters and actually did not notice anything weird... Can someone maybe explain to me? Maybe I am just blind?
Serinox wrote:Why would you only now say she is evil, when she in her last case, she let a murder happen and didn't even tell the police what she saw afterwards. Maybe she is somehow on the same side as Conan, but she is not good.
Nemomon wrote:About her knowing that the golf player will murder someone, I don't think we should judge her that she didn't do anything to prevent that. It is not that she knew for sure that a murder attempt will happen, and also she didn't have any proof that it will happen. So You think she should have to go to the police station with "I think my neighbour will murder his ex. Why? Because he said their dinner will be their last one." But they're ex for a reason! It wouldn't be strange for them to have a last ever dinner...
Therefore we really should not jump into conclusion that she knew about murder and did nothing. Perhaps she knew, but she didn't have any ways to prevent it.
ShadowNeo wrote:I guess I misssaid something. What I was talking about Rumi is that people are going to judge her on all the "evil" acts she done already, the one in this case was just an example. And I would say she is either someone completely nice with a cringe way of acting OR someone who just wants to reach a specific goal (which I don't know what it is) and to reach that she "abuses" Conan & co. and pretends to be on their side.
Ah I see! So she can't see Ayumi until Ayumi gets in the sight of her left eye, which means she didn't see her with the right eye, ok.
Nemomon wrote:
She may have some evil sides, because we know she isn't really a teacher but skilled in fighting person, and because of job she had she had to control her emotions and keep cool during all extreme situations, but it doesn't mean that she's purely evil.
MeiTanteixX wrote:
The suspicious object looks awfully a lot like a shogi tile, but with a slightly altered shape from a normal tile(which could be an intentional alteration, since it could be something else).
If Rumi is Asaka, and she was originally Kohji's bodyguard(hence the memento being a Shogi tile), then I can't see how Asaka would be able to know about Rum's prosthetic eye(because so far, we haven't gotten a clue to her meeting Rum after his accident). The BO sense cannot be ignored either.
Vermouth still makes the most sense to me at the moment, since she is almost literally Rumi in characterization, and she is one of the two females that are confirmed to have triggered Haibara's sense. Conan seems to really think that her eye is disfunctional(looks like Gosho wasn't misleading us with Conan's thoughts as I initially thought), but that's definitely a red-herring to make her look like Rum, since her "bumpings" and "look-around" can be easily explained by other means. Haibara's behavior about Rumi looks like Gosho's way of saying that Rumi has good intentions, but very controversial means, due to her background(besides, Vermouth is his favorite BO member, so that was like Gosho's second "Sherry's soliloquy" within File 989, after the "don't try this at home"). If the object is a Shogi tile, then I wouldn't dismiss the idea that Sharon is Kohji's secret wife. Ofc, it doesn't have to be Shogi tile either(since it still looks a bit different).
dccd wrote:How does "Rumi is Vermouth " and Ais " Shes not bad" are supposed to fit?
Until now there was absolutely no sign of interest from Rumi towards Ai (besides the drop-out-of-the-car thing, but that was intended to get a Conan-dialogue).
dccd wrote:No you cant.
Tear-production has nothing to do with a fake eye.
kentasaiba wrote:But Rumi was willing to let Ayumi die. So... she cant be a bad person, since we all would allow it too, right?
Tantei San wrote:dccd wrote:No you cant.
Tear-production has nothing to do with a fake eye.
Is it? really? Explain.
dccd wrote:How does "Rumi is Vermouth " and Ais " Shes not bad" are supposed to fit?
Until now there was absolutely no sign of interest from Rumi towards Ai (besides the drop-out-of-the-car thing, but that was intended to get a Conan-dialogue).
Tantei San wrote:Asaka was Amanda's bodyguard not Kohji's my friend, I agree with the shogi tile being a memento and the fact that she wants revenge from the BO who took away kohji from her.
MeiTanteixX wrote:If Rumi is Asaka, and she was originally Kohji's bodyguard(hence the memento being a Shogi tile),...
Tantei San wrote:Firstly, If Vermouth=Rumi.
1) What took Haibara so long for her BO-sense to trigger, besides we know Gin and vermouth are the ones who she instantly recognise.
2) How(& Why) did Haibara feel good about Rumi suddenly that to the point she debated Conan for it (in some sense, I couldn't find the precise word,sorry)
I think the reason she was so haphazard while Ayumi called her because:-
1. She was in her own imaginary world thinking something about and that she didn't hear, see and keep a track of people's position.
2. Ayumi is quite small for Rumi's height and with the first point in play,it made her difficult enough to identify her position and hence the 'Here-There' look.
And, At one point you place Vermouth=Rumi and at another you say that Sharon(Vermouth) was Kohji's wife etc. I am not getting these Vermouth-related points of your theory.
(You can either reply or msg me in private).
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