DCUniverseAficionado wrote:shinichi1977 wrote:Zerozaki4869 wrote:I've always felt very odd regarding Kuroda's swap theory.
a)The mid-coma swap is absurd and contrived.(Somebody mimicking every injury of Kuroda yet forgetting to dye the hair sounds obnoxiously hilarious.)
b)But on the other hand Marie-Antenoitte syndrome is just garbage stuff.
c) So a swap happened but not Mid-coma, so my theory would be that Kuroda wasn't the only one who came across the accident.
d)There was someone who had a similar facial structure like original Kuroda and had no id on him.
e) During the accident the original Kuroda got burnt into cinders while this guy was alive, the rescuers mistook this guy as Kuroda and took him to the Hospital, his face was badly burnt along and in the commotion nobody noticed that whether his hair was white or black.
The nurse who probably knew Kuroda beforehand, was astonished to see his hair getting changed.
The original Kuroda dyed his hair and during bandaged session the black dye just worn off.
To quote Shiho here, I support the third option. In this case, it's Kuroda, the actual one, still in a coma, who's being sort of replaced by, and it so wouldn't surprise me, Akai's father. If Rumi were the bodyguard framed for the murder of 17 years ago barely coming away with a lost eye, and she found out that Kuroda isn't who he claims to be, or the actual Kuroda was a liaison in Japan who made a bad call, it'd make sense Wakasa wants him to fail as a cop.
I see one major difference between the Bourbon Arc and this one, in the former, Bourbon already entered the stage as Scar Akai, which made him the second candidate and his Amuro persona the fourth, whereas in contrast Wakita isn't implied to have one. I do unfortunately lack the time to go back dozens of pages, so I'm just curious if it was brought up (by somebody else than me, way back when) that the glass eye is eerily similar to a Miss Marple story, where she's at first sent on a wild goose chase based on the assumption who the glass-eyed man was watching. Shiho is always a fine radar, more specifically Shinichi keeping her away from number one suspects, and out of these three, she's been prevented from meeting Wakita.
If Rum is one of the three suspects (Hyōe, Rumi or Kanenori), then I’d have to say Rum is Kanenori—indeed, he’s the only one who hasn’t encountered Shiho/Ai, whereas the other two (especially Rumi) have encountered her.
However, if I had to say whether I thought there were only 3 Rum suspects or whether there are more than 3 suspects, I’d have to go with the latter position. There’s just too strong a parallel between the Rum suspects and the Bourbon suspects, especially concerning Kanenori’s strong parallel to Rei/Tōru/Bourbon—it gives me the sense that Gosho’s trying to make us think, “oh, he’s just going to take the Bourbon approach, again, and have the chipper guy who just recently started working right next to the Detective Agency, and pays Kogorō to become his apprentice, be the BO member that the arc revolves around!”, only to later pull the rug out by revealing that neither Hyōe, nor Rumi, nor Kanenori is Rum (for instance, just look at that little mystery from right after Scarlet Showdown—three cups with vinegar and one without… except, gotcha, all four have vinegar!… translation: three people who are Rum suspects and one person who isn’t… except, gotcha, all four people are Rum suspects!)
As for Tsutomu, I doubt he is actually dead—Gosho has hinted that a character believed to be dead actually isn’t, and he’s been squirrely about saying Tsutomu is dead. I don’t think he, himself, is Rum (I don’t think he and his family will be facing off against each other, with them all shocked that he’s been BO this whole time)—rather, I believe he’s one of the Rum suspects—specifically, I believe he is either masquerading as Hyōe, or is masquerading as Kanenori.
If “encountering a demon in the dark/all kinds of monsters lurk in the dark” quote is Tsutomu’s (we have Gosho’s non-answer answer to the question about Tsutomu and Gin knowing each other), then that makes it yet another quote of his Mary has used (“purge the fog that obscures the truth”), and the third one attributed to him (“infected by the disease called curiosity”), and then we have Kanenori and his phrases. There’s also the bit about if “Time is money” is a reference by Rum to Rei/Tōru/Bourbon about Kanenori—if it is, then how would Rum know that there’s a certain drifter going by a name that is an anagram of that phrase that Bourbon should be aware of? Even if Tsutomu isn’t Kanenori, this question still stands.
On the other hand, we have Hyōe, who has been implied to not be the real Hyōe, and if that is indeed the case, then if this imposter isn’t Rum, and isn’t Tsutomu, then who else could this imposter be? I’d be interested to hear any ideas.
My first impression of Rumi’s and Hyōe’s meet-up was: Rumi thought Hyōe was Kōji’s killer (upon seeing that he has only one normal eye), while Hyōe thought Rumi was Kōji’s killer (connecting her to Amanda’s bodyguard and/or the dying message). Now this could be misdirection from Gosho to camouflage that they met before, say, during the accident that put Hyōe in a coma for a decade, and maybe that’s where Rumi got her own scars.
Well my take on Hyoue is that a)He is implied to be not the real Hyoue. b) Haibara ruled him out as a Rum suspect.
So the idea here is Hyoe is someone neither Rum/BO nor the real Hoye.
Now people tend to think that out of two non-BO actors of Kohji case Asaka is an woman, so Tsutomu is a option derived by the process of elimination.
But if we inspect closely, Hotta's claims that a)Asaka was a woman b)Asaka had the same handmirror which was later found at the crime scene sounds contrived. At least the second claim is overly specific. So I'm more inclined to think that these were rumours which were planted in Hotta's mid to get them circulated, which in return would lead Rumi to become the prime Asaka candidate.
Now Hyoe remembers a dead Kohji, Hyoe thinks the dying message is Rumi Wakasa, not Carasuma, Hyoe thinks Rumi is likely killer of Kohji.
All these three points were counter-arguments if Hyoe is postulated to be Tsutomu.
The foreshadowing in 975 suggests that Finger jab strike to eye was Tsutomu's gift to Rum. If Tsutomu had fought Rum then he would know that Rumi could not be Rum.
Mary had told Elena about the Karasuma group. It is very likely that Tsutomu knew about them and shared the info with Mary. So Tsutomu interpreting it as Wakasa Rumi, makes little sense.
If Hyoe fought Rum while Kohji was trying his best to write the dying message, then the bruise in the palm of Kohji would have attracted his attention. In-fact Hyoe remembers a dead Kohji lying in his room over the debris. Points to that Hyoe was a little late. Just late enough to be ruled out as Tsutomu.
Regarding Kanenori, let's see from the first.
a)In her intro chapter Rumi said that Whiskey is her favourite drink. Not Rum. So if anything she is after a BO agent named Whiskey.
b) In Kanenori's intro chapter, Kanenori was ordered to bring three drinks, a)Cola b)Higball(Whiskey+) c)Oolong Tea.
c) Kanenori has this weird love for idioms and phrases, just like Tsutomu.
d) His eyepatch gives him mobility to get out of the restaurant.
e) Kanenori was the only suspect other than Kuroda and Kansuke who reminded Conan of Rum.(but for the eyepatch)
f) Kanenori's name is a reordering of Toki-wa-kanenari. The phrase which means Time is money i.e. Rum's catch-phrase.
All in all Kanenori is a Rumish person whose goal is possibly to more info from Kogoro about his cognizance of Rum.(Which is not Gin's goal, he wants to know whether Kogoro is investigating BO or not, he is not worried about Rum's angle that is something which is Rum's territory.)
So Wakita seems to be a disloyal BO(to some extent) and he didn't jump on Rumi train, he just said "This one s quite quick witted."
Sort of as if he is avoiding Rumi.(An Amuro?Subaru dynamic if you like.)
Regarding Rumi, I think she is a sort of paternal aunt of Haibara who had infiltrated the Karasuma group to investigate Kohji case and the killings of Miyanos. I claim this after seeing the face of Atsushi. His eyes and eybrows(shape and gradient) are much like Rumi's.
Given Haibara's ultimatum to Conan about bitching about Rumi, makes me more certain of this.