Kor wrote: I think these speculations might not really be all that productive because Gosho isn't exactly that sort of deep writer who truly cares about this sort of thing.
PhantomWriter wrote:The problem I have with that is something related to Occam's Razor. While it's traditionally simplified to "the simplest answer is usually the correct one," it isn't quite the case. It's just easier to test and either discard or confirm a theory if there are fewer moving parts to it. You should be conservative with adding new parameters and concepts, because those would need the same sort of testing and confirmation. This is incidentally why, though people try to give a "simple" explanation regarding unknown phenomena by claiming something supernatural or otherworldly (such as someone using demons or ghosts or aliens as an explanation), are actually far more complicated than other answers, because it would require a complete changing of our understanding of things like physics and energy and so on to account for those phenomena.
SURE... so you are basically saying that Gosho isn't that sort of DEEP writer who is capable of weaving some complicated supernatural phenomena that is beyond logic, reason, and explanation. So do explain reasonably and logically how it is possible for Vermouth's statement to be true? "To be both of Gad and the Devil, and raise the dead against the stream of time?"
Kor and I are different users talking about different topics.
I was using the allusion to demons and ghosts as an example
of how, in the real world, people come up with an explanation to try to make things very simple, but the mechanics behind it are far more complicated because of things they'd failed to consider in their supposedly simpler answer. For example, if someone tries to say a ghost did something, how you have to now prove that ghosts exist, that a ghost was there at that time, and that the ghost did it. The burden of proof is on the person making the positive claim (in this case, that a ghost did x).
Same principle applies to what we're theorizing here regarding Rum arc stuff, in this case adding in another person during the Kohji case. Sure, seems simple enough at first glance, but when you dig deeper, there are questions that arise, like who that fourth person is and what they've been doing all these years. It's less that it isn't the case and more that, when you start adding in new factors, you need to then elaborate on them and how they fit into the puzzle.
Story depth or lack thereof has nothing to do with whether or not supernatural elements are present or not, and is a completely different topic.
If I were to extend your theory then I think we lack evidence that why Kohji in first place would know about "CARASUMA"? As Karasuma is already believed to be dead and leaving a dead man's name in his dying message hardly makes any sense. Also the existence of a shogi piece was confirmed in Kohji's palm at the time of his death, with scissors gripped in a defensive stabbing style.
So I would say there's enough evidence laid in front of us to not attach any importance to Mirror clue and "Karasuma" or "Asaka Rum".
Wakita looks very hasty and in hastiness he can very well compromise with laying low. It is something like an original sin for a BO operative, who is not a spy. Only spies behave in that way(Bourbon, Rye, Scotch, Kir, Ethan Hondou etc.)
Wakita had no reason to sprint out of the cafe, to gather info on Shinichi if he really was Rum and had Bourbon at his disposal.
Wakita on the other-hand is intercepting/investigating people on whom Rum might have an interest and Wakita is in a haste. Also it can be implied that Wakita is competing against a foe who is a very fast mover and vastly resourceful. Kuroda and Rumi has no idea about Rum's style of functioning while Wakita has. As of now it can mean two things. a)He's Rum b) He's Rum's enemy.
I'll select the latter as it suits with Wakita's behaviour.(If Rum can become a shushi chef just to investigate a person nd contrive a delivery just to sniff around Kudo mansion, he has no need for Bourbon to do his bidding.)
I'd have to agree, that Wakita's behavior is strange and not spy-like. Unless it's a red herring, but that's a risky gamble on his part. There's also theories floating around that he's Tsutomu and infiltrated the Organization, but him doing that doesn't work if viewed in tandem, since he should then behave as cautiously as possible to avoid raising the suspicion of the people he pissed off. In the case of Wakita being just one or the other, perhaps, but the former seems unlikely with Tsutomu vanishing off the face of the Earth, and the latter would make sense if he's not in a more information gathering capacity. (In which case, why is he hanging out undercover in a sushi shop, if he can't be bothered to maintain his cover?)
However, I wouldn't necessarily say Kuroda and Wakasa don't know anything about Rum or the situation. Wakasa's reaction to hearing about someone nearly being blinded, and to Kuroda's appearance, in tandem with her having the updated APTX victim list, could very well mean she knows the basic descriptors of Rum. Kuroda, meanwhile, has been generally keen on staying more in the background for some reason or another. The whole thing with the camping trip comes to mind- he showed up specifically because Wakasa (whom he may or may not think is shady, or else someone he needs to deal with) was lingering around Conan, but avoids contact until outside circumstances force it.