PhantomWriter wrote:That seems slightly obtuse of him, considering his general trend toward using the "fair play whodunnit," but let's go there for now. And I'd looked it over again just to be certain.
The trick is that all had vinegar in the first place and that the ink was erasable (which was based on heat/friction, so the tea and the sliding around of the coasters would erase the skull). Thus, one could appear to have gotten one with lemon in it, when in reality they hadn't. However, Shuichi later comments to his team that it is incorrect to call it cheating, since all tricks rely on misdirection and that's what Agasa did- misdirected them. The reason the trick worked was because they'd settled with incomplete information- they didn't check the underside of the other coasters and didn't try his tea themselves, assuming that his apparent joy was really joy, and that the ink was only erased with erasers.
(Interesting detail, that the tea given to them is specified as black tea, by the way.)
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:PhantomWriter wrote:That seems slightly obtuse of him, considering his general trend toward using the "fair play whodunnit," but let's go there for now. And I'd looked it over again just to be certain.
The trick is that all had vinegar in the first place and that the ink was erasable (which was based on heat/friction, so the tea and the sliding around of the coasters would erase the skull). Thus, one could appear to have gotten one with lemon in it, when in reality they hadn't. However, Shuichi later comments to his team that it is incorrect to call it cheating, since all tricks rely on misdirection and that's what Agasa did- misdirected them. The reason the trick worked was because they'd settled with incomplete information- they didn't check the underside of the other coasters and didn't try his tea themselves, assuming that his apparent joy was really joy, and that the ink was only erased with erasers.
(Interesting detail, that the tea given to them is specified as black tea, by the way.)
I suppose this all would mean that there are actually four Rum suspects—not three—and one suspect simply doesn't appear to be one, unlike Hyoe, Rumi and Kanenori.
PhantomWriter wrote:(Interesting detail, that the tea given to them is specified as black tea, by the way.)
I second this. If we were to draw a parallel to it.DCUniverseAficionado wrote:PhantomWriter wrote:That seems slightly obtuse of him, considering his general trend toward using the "fair play whodunnit," but let's go there for now. And I'd looked it over again just to be certain.
The trick is that all had vinegar in the first place and that the ink was erasable (which was based on heat/friction, so the tea and the sliding around of the coasters would erase the skull). Thus, one could appear to have gotten one with lemon in it, when in reality they hadn't. However, Shuichi later comments to his team that it is incorrect to call it cheating, since all tricks rely on misdirection and that's what Agasa did- misdirected them. The reason the trick worked was because they'd settled with incomplete information- they didn't check the underside of the other coasters and didn't try his tea themselves, assuming that his apparent joy was really joy, and that the ink was only erased with erasers.
(Interesting detail, that the tea given to them is specified as black tea, by the way.)
I suppose this all would mean that there are actually four Rum suspects—not three—and one suspect simply doesn't appear to be one, unlike Hyoe, Rumi and Kanenori.
MeiTanteixX wrote:I second this. If we were to draw a parallel to it.DCUniverseAficionado wrote:PhantomWriter wrote:That seems slightly obtuse of him, considering his general trend toward using the "fair play whodunnit," but let's go there for now. And I'd looked it over again just to be certain.
The trick is that all had vinegar in the first place and that the ink was erasable (which was based on heat/friction, so the tea and the sliding around of the coasters would erase the skull). Thus, one could appear to have gotten one with lemon in it, when in reality they hadn't. However, Shuichi later comments to his team that it is incorrect to call it cheating, since all tricks rely on misdirection and that's what Agasa did- misdirected them. The reason the trick worked was because they'd settled with incomplete information- they didn't check the underside of the other coasters and didn't try his tea themselves, assuming that his apparent joy was really joy, and that the ink was only erased with erasers.
(Interesting detail, that the tea given to them is specified as black tea, by the way.)
I suppose this all would mean that there are actually four Rum suspects—not three—and one suspect simply doesn't appear to be one, unlike Hyoe, Rumi and Kanenori.
dccd wrote:So you know for sure that its actually Kohjis dying message and what it really means?
But the gender-question is actually one of the most important questions.
It seems odd that we have women (yes two, Mary and Rumi) presented to us as Rum suspects
while the gender-question should be obvious.
The alcohol-pattern was never confirmed, was it?
Furthermore dont forget about "cheating" which might regard exactly that aspect.
With the way Rum is portraited to us that early: Strong/old/womanly man im inclined to say that Rum is actually a women.
Based on the same logic as the dying message ("what is presented to us at the beginning is not (completely)true").
And thats really absolutely unattached of my personal pick.
But lets see.
dccd wrote:Actually its not me saying anything about the dying message but you.
It isnt safe that its a dying message.
It isnt safe that its from Kohji.
It isnt safe that its about Rum.
It isnt even safe what the actual meaning of the dying message is.
So atleast to me it kinda seems brave to claim
" Rum is a man, period." or
" Kohji was able to name him uniquely with dying message".
Atleast to me it seems like there about 10 possible outcomes regarding the dying message.
So I wanted to know what makes you so sure about urs?
Zerozaki4869 wrote:dccd wrote:Actually its not me saying anything about the dying message but you.
It isnt safe that its a dying message.
It isnt safe that its from Kohji.
It isnt safe that its about Rum.
It isnt even safe what the actual meaning of the dying message is.
So atleast to me it kinda seems brave to claim
" Rum is a man, period." or
" Kohji was able to name him uniquely with dying message".
Atleast to me it seems like there about 10 possible outcomes regarding the dying message.
So I wanted to know what makes you so sure about urs?
Kohji died with scissors in his hand and a Shogi piece in his palm, he died while holding onto them.(the bruises substantiate it.)
If you don't think that's dying message, then probably reasoning is not your cup of tea. And it's logical to assume that Kohji was able to name his killer(random assassins can't be implicated by dying messages. You're not accepting of Rum being Kohji's acquaintance because you want X to be Rum. you don't want to catch Rum.)
dccd wrote:Cool, youre even sure about Rum being the killer.
Seems you figured it all out.
So lets hear, what happened back then and whats the dying message?
PhantomWriter wrote:Dccd, Gin says that the case in question is a job that Rum botched, and the Organization is clearly keen on keeping things tied to the case hidden, such as the Asaca song case and deleting the information about the case that keeps popping up. We don't necessarily need to know the dying message or specific event sequence of the crime scene to know that Rum did it.
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