Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby reliq » January 28th, 2018, 9:40 pm

Hey just wanted to point out some things that i noticed.

Starting with Wakasa Rumi: We know that ai and probably conan too suspects that she can't see out of her right eye.
But in the Scytale case she opens the trapdoor while she closes her left eye:
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There was one more thing in the case, it was the article about the case that went online.It has the photo of the skeleton on it and even the cypher on the headband , while we didn't see any Journalist there that could take a photo of it before the police arrived. Made me think that maybe Wakasa who lured the DB into this was the one who published the article :
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Also this is the only time we see her mobile phone(wanted to go into Kurodas/Wakitas Smartphone but there is not much except the different backside):
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About Wakita,its suspicious that he tells first that it was horrible stuff when conan asks him about his eye but procceds to try to show him.That got already pointed out but I am curious would you open your eyepatch with your right or lefthand if it was on the left eye or does it not matter at all :
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About Kuroda he was 10 years in a coma normally you would lose some weight but i guess we don't know exactly when he woke up from that .
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby Spimer » January 29th, 2018, 3:30 am

Good observations, I just want to point that Wakita's "horrible stuff" was a mistake in translation and it actually can be translated as:

tumour; tumor; growth; boil; ulcer; abscess; rash; pimple

Hope this helps.
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby MeiTanteixX » January 29th, 2018, 5:32 am

reliq wrote:Hey just wanted to point out some things that i noticed.

Starting with Wakasa Rumi: We know that ai and probably conan too suspects that she can't see out of her right eye.
But in the Scytale case she opens the trapdoor while she closes her left eye:
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This doesn't say anything definitive though. I would say the evidence to her right eye working is this(below) in File 966, when she turned her head to look back at the covered skeleton from her right side. If she was blind in her right, she would have turned her head from the left side or turn her whole body to look straight.
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reliq wrote:There was one more thing in the case, it was the article about the case that went online.It has the photo of the skeleton on it and even the cypher on the headband , while we didn't see any Journalist there that could take a photo of it before the police arrived. Made me think that maybe Wakasa who lured the DB into this was the one who published the article :
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the forensics took photos. The police could have simply shared it to the public, since it was an old unresolved case.
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby Zerozaki4869 » January 29th, 2018, 7:25 am

MeiTanteixX wrote:
reliq wrote:Hey just wanted to point out some things that i noticed.

Starting with Wakasa Rumi: We know that ai and probably conan too suspects that she can't see out of her right eye.
But in the Scytale case she opens the trapdoor while she closes her left eye:
Spoiler:
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This doesn't say anything definitive though. I would say the evidence to her right eye working is this(below) in File 966, when she turned her head to look back at the covered skeleton from her right side. If she was blind in her right, she would have turned her head from the left side or turn her whole body to look straight.
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reliq wrote:There was one more thing in the case, it was the article about the case that went online.It has the photo of the skeleton on it and even the cypher on the headband , while we didn't see any Journalist there that could take a photo of it before the police arrived. Made me think that maybe Wakasa who lured the DB into this was the one who published the article :
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the forensics took photos. The police could have simply shared it to the public, since it was an old unresolved case.


Just to elaborate your point a bit(a rejoinder), given Rumi is turning her head to focus on the corpse, while Kobayashi is just moving her pupil; this might be the evidence that Rumi despite having vision in her right eye has some problems with it. She isn't blind, rather she has a damaged right eye.
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby reliq » January 29th, 2018, 10:57 am

Spimer wrote:Good observations, I just want to point that Wakita's "horrible stuff" was a mistake in translation and it actually can be translated as:

tumour; tumor; growth; boil; ulcer; abscess; rash; pimple

Hope this helps.

oh ok thank you. I thought it was some sort of a psychological trick.
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reliq wrote:Hey just wanted to point out some things that i noticed.

the forensics took photos. The police could have simply shared it to the public, since it was an old unresolved case.


yeah, you are right thats a possibility. I didn't think of that.
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby mtcc » January 31st, 2018, 8:36 am

i wonder if columbo cafe have something to do with rum because lum could be rum like lum chan and as you know peter falk wore an artificial eye for most of his life the right eye
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby CrimsonGenius » February 4th, 2018, 8:51 am

Is it only me who think that RUMI is acting clumsy, naive like Jodie & Eisuke? She's also Teacher like Jodie, 'exchange' like Eisuke
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby k11chi » February 4th, 2018, 1:07 pm

CrimsonGenius wrote:Is it only me who think that RUMI is acting clumsy, naive like Jodie & Eisuke? She's also Teacher like Jodie, 'exchange' like Eisuke

That's what many thought when she was first introduced, but the explanation for her clumsiness seems to be an artificial eye, as she can't see if she's going to hit her head.
And Eisuke is a clumsy clown anyway.
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby Zerozaki4869 » February 4th, 2018, 9:05 pm

Firstly, it's not clear whether Rumi really has a Prosthetic eye or not. Lack of depth perception is not always caused by losing an eye totally. It can be caused by a severe damage to either eye. Also Rum should be adept enough with his Prosthetic eye, as he's experiencing monocular vision for sometime, unlike Rumi. So Rumi damaged her eye recently, given she has an APTX list, it won't be far fetched to assume that she recently had APTXed someone and got a damaged eye, in the process(Mary??)
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby dccd » February 4th, 2018, 10:00 pm

So she learned pretty quickly to fight with just one eye.
Hm...

wb though ;)
[ ] Yonehara = Rum
[ ] Kuroda = Amuros Boss
[x] MG = Mrs. Akai
[x] Haneda = Brother Akai
[ ] Rumi = Asaka
[ ] Wakita = Bo-Member Whiskey (aka the RAT)
[ ] Iori = just a butler
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby CrimsonGenius » February 6th, 2018, 12:40 pm

Zerozaki4869 wrote:Firstly, it's not clear whether Rumi really has a Prosthetic eye or not. Lack of depth perception is not always caused by losing an eye totally. It can be caused by a severe damage to either eye. Also Rum should be adept enough with his Prosthetic eye, as he's experiencing monocular vision for sometime, unlike Rumi. So Rumi damaged her eye recently, given she has an APTX list, it won't be far fetched to assume that she recently had APTXed someone and got a damaged eye, in the process(Mary??)

If we assume that Mary is Amanda maybe, she was drugged with same initial prototype thing that gave Vermouth youth when Kouji died 17 years ago......, since Amanda is an saggy faced old lady, but Mary was 40s adult with healthy face, body, 10 years ago in beach, unless she was a MI6 RAT in BO, then took the same thing that Haibara, Conan took in order to escape from BO sometime in last 10 years......
Tsutomu might have been originally a journalist who took interest in Kouji's death, tried to dig further to BO, made enemies with 'horrible People' his clothes tell it might be so to me, he resembles Hirokazu Kajiya's clothing from asaca as if giving a hint ............
BTW my new weak idea, RUMI might have been Kouji's sister/relative or even a stalker fangirl, who happened to arrive at hotel he was staying, but by time she arrived, he was already dead, out of frustration, vandalised, figured dying message, made off with Shougi piece, U shard, hoping to find clues, she might be the one who posted info on net hoping to solve mystery of his death, that could explain why She's approaching Conan, seek help after gaining trust, she's testing his abilities as well on various cases like Sera & her mother....... but that'd not explain why She strangely has BO's hitlist of all things which includes both Kouji & Shin'ichi's name, which'd have only written after confirming Kouji's death 17 years ago, irony is that it has Shin'ichi's name as well which only happened with an year from present timeline which she can't possibly possess unless she's a freedom, privileged high-ranked member of BO, or a RAT, either stole or though I don't think RATs has access to hitlist since if they did, Akai would long know that Kudou Shin'ichi was 'killed' by BO just like Kouji, himself.....
Unless she's 3rd generation RUM, herself (refer to my first theory)?
Speaking of which, is Mary, Amanda, Tsutomu or Asaca's name on the hitlist
?incidentally is it only APTX4869 victim list or general? If general, it must have been updated to include Akai Shuichi's name as well.......
BTW Kir must have been severely cornered, under intense pressure, since Gin doesn't still trust her neither....... that's why she had no choice but to only send the keywords, codename 'RUM'.
Though irrelevant to this thread, I think Vodka is previous yakuza/bazooka member, judging from his accent.......
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby Zerozaki4869 » February 10th, 2018, 2:11 am

dccd wrote:So she learned pretty quickly to fight with just one eye.
Hm...

wb though ;)


Yep, she has a very strong brain, she's an alien the invader.

On a serious note Rumi is just a street brawler, compared to Iori or Kuroda her skills are weak. Iori's jumping knee strike or Kuroda's leg sweep shows the depth of their martial knowledge.

So a street brawler with one eye is really not disadvantaged that,(assuming Rumi has only one functioning eye, which is not same as a bad or weak right eye.)
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby dccd » February 10th, 2018, 7:46 am

How could i´ve missed that?
Thats why Gosho didnt show her fight with the 2 guys in 968!
Because otherwise we would see her low fighting skills!
She obviously has still to learn sth since she knocked the first guy out with only her elbow.
Classic street brawler-style.
No bruise? Luck.

And yeah, one eye more or less, who cares?!

Ur awesome :D
[ ] Yonehara = Rum
[ ] Kuroda = Amuros Boss
[x] MG = Mrs. Akai
[x] Haneda = Brother Akai
[ ] Rumi = Asaka
[ ] Wakita = Bo-Member Whiskey (aka the RAT)
[ ] Iori = just a butler
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby CrimsonGenius » February 10th, 2018, 1:56 pm

Zerozaki4869 wrote:
dccd wrote:So she learned pretty quickly to fight with just one eye.
Hm...

wb though ;)


Yep, she has a very strong brain, she's an alien the invader.

On a serious note Rumi is just a street brawler, compared to Iori or Kuroda her skills are weak. Iori's jumping knee strike or Kuroda's leg sweep shows the depth of their martial knowledge.

So a street brawler with one eye is really not disadvantaged that,(assuming Rumi has only one functioning eye, which is not same as a bad or weak right eye.)

RUMi the Invader! :p
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby Zerozaki4869 » February 11th, 2018, 4:35 am

dccd wrote:How could i´ve missed that?
Thats why Gosho didnt show her fight with the 2 guys in 968!
Because otherwise we would see her low fighting skills!
She obviously has still to learn sth since she knocked the first guy out with only her elbow.
Classic street brawler-style.
No bruise? Luck.

And yeah, one eye more or less, who cares?!

Ur awesome :D


Yup she is just a low tier fighter who uses her momentum to strike(look at her elbow after both fights, in 968 and in 980) it was bruised. It proves that Rumi has never fought with her elbow(as a martial artist who has hardened her elbow to break opponent's nose, shouldn't get it bruised.) She used a Bo-staff like thing to fight(you know that's classic street brawlers weapon not a martial artists.)

She is a low tier fighter when compared to Kuroda, Iori or even Mary, yup she will get her ass kicked in a 1 vs 1 fight against Iori/Kuroda.
Even Ran/Sera can kick her ass, Vermouth/Jodie will eat her alive, and Amuro/Akai might just need a snap of their finger to clear her from the face of this planet.

Bad eyesight/weak doesn't mean prosthetic eye, and the awesome thing is Sakurako has grown a pair. Yup, that's awesome.

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