Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

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I KNEW IT! Rum was disguised as wakita. Ngl I did not expect the reveal to happen
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"Rum = Iori Muga / Wakita Kanenori (Karasuma Muga)" Theory Summary (Updated)
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Rum bending his knee for his "old man" disguise (like Kid)
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Rum carrying two phones (like Fukamachi)
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Rum's goals

Most likely to find and eliminate the one who is behind the "Haneda Kohji murder case" info leaks online that highlights his 17-year-old screw-up (the dying message that exposes his and the Boss' surname "Karasuma"), as well as anyone that actively investigates that case.
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His first move (that might be the activity that Kir was alerting with her message "RUM" in File 898) was most likely to watch/surveillance the actions of Haneda Kohji's noble family as "Iori Muga" (Butler of the Oooka family), using the Oooka's close connection to them (since the Haneda family seemingly rely and trust the Oooka household), since they would naturally be the first suspects behind the leaks.
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His second move was to investigate the famous detective Mouri Kogoro, who got involved with the "Soul Detective" Hotta Gaito's Kohji case investigation (File 951-953), as "Wakita Kanenori" (old mystery-loving sushi chef), using Iroha sushi restaurant that is next-door to Mouri Detective Agency as a means to get close to him in order to verify if he is investigating the Kohji case and eliminate him if necessary (File 975-977).
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Timeline speculation on Rum's relevant actions as "Iori Muga" (True appearance) & "Wakita Kanenori" (Fake appearance)
(Up to File 1066)
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File 981-983:
Rum coincidentally finds Bourbon in Cafe Poirot while tailing Heiji, leading to him becoming suspicious of his closeness to Kogoro, as well as trying to flee from a potential crime scene to avoid further involvement and contact with Bourbon (in his true appearance).
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File 1002-1003:
Rum appears to help Momiji, and then is absent for a moment before getting a chance to see Shinichi. After Shinichi and Heiji leaves with Ayanokoji, Rum appears and by chance misses Kudo Shinichi.
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File 1005:
Rum sees Kudo Shinichi in the headlines and becomes suspicious of his alleged death.
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File 1008:
Rum makes an attempt to get close to the Kudo mansion in order to investigate Shinichi himself, but fails due to the media's gathering. Rum then sees a suspicious redaction from the blogger, and realizes (after having already confirmed with Momiji that Shinichi was indeed involved in the Kyoto case) that there is a cover up and orders Bourbon by message to investigate Kudo Shinichi, knowing that he works in Café Poirot under Mouri's home, where Ran (Momiji's friend who is Kudo Shinichi's classmate) lives and can easily get info for him. The reason for ordering Bourbon could both have been to lighten the load for himself (as someone working with 2 active identities) and also so he can test Bourbon's loyalty (due to being close to someone that he suspects is investigating the Kohji case).
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File 1011-1012:
Rum gets impatient and stresses Bourbon. He then gets some kind of intel reply from Bourbon (maybe the fact that Kudo Yusaku came to Japan) that is suspiciously lacking.
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File 1027-1031:
Rum decides to take the opportunity to investigate Bourbon (as a potential traitor) after finding an opening to join in on Mouri's case, by looking into his relationship with Kogoro. Instead however, he notices that Conan, who is smart for a kid, is closer with Bourbon than initially perceived (during the Cafe Poirot case).
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File 1039-1042:
Rum tells Momiji to involve Kudo Shinichi in her challenge to Heiji, in order to start investigating him himself once more (after not getting anywhere with Bourbon's help), but then starts noticing that Conan is close with Shinichi too. He then starts observing Conan more closely (to the point of later noticing a shift in his expression) and even rushes Momiji (by telling her about Heiji's romance plans) into offering him for Kudo Shinichi to rely on so he can directly converse with him and figure out his whereabouts, but fails.
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File 1055-1057:
Rum continues his Kogoro investigation, and while solving the case also relies on and acknowledges Conan's capabilities (after having observed him with Bourbon and Heiji in the past) and decides to test his Kohji case knowledge by referencing the missing shogi piece from Kohji's crime scene discreetly, in case Conan, the smart kid, got involved with Kogoro's potential Kohji case investigation, but fails to get a revealing reaction.
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File 1058-1060:
Rum sends Vermouth instead of Bourbon to verify whether Kudo Yusaku is an active threat towards the organization (due to his son's involvement), but still gets no helpful information.
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File 1062-1066:
Rum leads and supports his BO subordinates to hunt and kill an FBI agent on the run. He learns that it's André Camel, who he once encountered 2 years ago while testing Rye's loyalty (similarly to how he is currently testing Bourbon's loyalty) while disguised as an old man.
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Bourbon:''A child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry do have much in common''
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Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman''
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Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...''
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Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
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Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''
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I want to ask you how Rum can operate in two completely different places and with two completely different goals (observing sleeping kogoro for Wakita, serving as butler and bodyguard for Iori)
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kudo-yusaku-sensei wrote:
December 20th, 2020, 1:35 pm
I want to ask you how Rum can operate in two completely different places and with two completely different goals (observing sleeping kogoro for Wakita, serving as butler and bodyguard for Iori)
Currently suspecting that he is given free-time by Momiji. They have a pretty tight relationship, where there seems to be a lot of mutual respect. We still have a lot to learn about the Oooka household as a whole (i.e what their household/staff looks like, what exact responsibilities Iori holds as this already odd/different butler, when Iori started working there to begin with, etc).
DC's Awesome Qoutes:
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Bourbon:''A child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry do have much in common''
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Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman''
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Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...''
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Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
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Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''
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In the case of "Trapped in Hatoyama Estate" Gosho mentioned to us the issue of "Rum" identity through Conan's suspicions directed towards Wakasa-sensei for the first time that she is a candidate to be "Rum", then three suspects in that case showed us almost the same rumors as the three "Rum"; a big man and a skinny man = female and an old man; and the bad guy was the old man -Nanbu Takashi (56 yrs)-, the strange thing is that old man has 56 years old, the same age as one of the candidates to be Rum : Wakita, and the criminal was disguised as a light disguise so that no one could know his identity, so I think Gosho was hint to us through all this, that "Rum" is really in the form of the old man, and that he is currently in a slight disguise and not totally disguised as a plastic surgery for example, and all this as you know applies to Wakita Kanenori!
So I'd to say that Rum is the old man from the warehouse 2 yrs ago, he is also the old man with the fake name "Wakita Kanenori," which is a name taken from the famous phrase of Rum "Time is money" in Japanese : Toki wa kane nari
I used the following pages :
*File 1051-page 5-6
*File 1053-page 4
*File 1054-page 11
*File 1066-page 11-15-16
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My theory is that Muga is Tsutomu Akai. 🙂 Think of the cap he wears in his first aperence.
I've been reading the manga since 2006 and Goshos "suprises" is often kind of simple.
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Yeah... It won't be a surprise even, if it turns out he is dead for good. ;)
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Speaking of which... since the identity of RUM was revealed what could be a major plot line for the upcoming files related to RUM?
Some possibilites:
1. RUM eventually gets to meet Haibara/Sherry
2. RUM encounters Rumi?!
3. RUM encounters Mary?!
4. RUM sets up a trap for Bourbon?!
5. RUM kidnaps Ran to force out Shinichi to reveal himself?!
6. RUM shows down with Akai and Akai's father?!

Well... so many upcoming events ::)

For those interested in possible predictions here's another link just for fun: https://www.reddit.com/r/OneTruthPrevai ... _10671070/

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"one should stick with one's original plan" (初志貫徹 shoshi kantetsu) ;)
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Haneda Kohji's face was full of bruises especially near his eye but his glasses didn't fall off and wasn't damaged (Check chapter 672 page 3 for example).
Haneda's eyes were fully closed wich means that someone who respects/loves him (check Chapter 361) was there to close them and put the glasses back on, and that person can be none other than Wakasa Rumi/Asaka.
That if we suppose that he was really dead when the picture was taken and he wasn't bluffing.(Chapter 980)
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My favourite DC theories:

-The real Anokata is the friends Conan made in his journey.
-Gosho and Akemi are actually alligators.
-Okino Yoko is BO.
-Wakita likes basketball.
-Every character in the show is actually Vermouth if you think about it.
-Amuro does not wake up at 5 am everyday.
-Korn is vegetarian.
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How to go against the stream of time and raise the dead ? Fake your death and perform the ritual to become younger, just like Vermouth. You stay like that for a while until a silver bullet hits you, It is even more easier to lose your immortality when there is two of them.

The Korn chan Theory:
https://www.reddit.com/r/OneTruthPrevai ... &context=3

The Rum chan Theory;
https://www.reddit.com/r/OneTruthPrevai ... &context=3
My favourite DC theories:

-The real Anokata is the friends Conan made in his journey.
-Gosho and Akemi are actually alligators.
-Okino Yoko is BO.
-Wakita likes basketball.
-Every character in the show is actually Vermouth if you think about it.
-Amuro does not wake up at 5 am everyday.
-Korn is vegetarian.
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HatiMMOS wrote:
January 17th, 2021, 10:25 pm
How to go against the stream of time and raise the dead ? Fake your death and perform the ritual to become younger, just like Vermouth. You stay like that for a while until a silver bullet hits you, It is even more easier to lose your immortality when there is two of them.

The Korn chan Theory:
https://www.reddit.com/r/OneTruthPrevai ... &context=3

The Rum chan Theory;
https://www.reddit.com/r/OneTruthPrevai ... &context=3
Ha... interesting share... and in the link of "The Korn Chan Theory" it mentioned: "The last piece of the puzzle is Gin."
and someone said in the comment section: "also Gin could have stopped to aging. From what we know he does not remember the name of who he killed (little memory?) and drive a vintage car"

Wouldn't it be fun if the boss named Renya Karasuma actually turns out to be Gin who used APTX to reverse his age and stopped aging?

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And this new 2021 anime with Moriarty and Sherlock is really fun to watch just sharing a link: ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr8LYGaU4_I
"one should stick with one's original plan" (初志貫徹 shoshi kantetsu) ;)
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Rumi The Pirate Theory:
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It is known that pirates use eye patches so that when they go inside the ship via trap doors, they could swap the eye patch from one eye to the other to instantly see in the darkness.
When Wakasa Rumi wants to take down an enemy, she makes sure to get him into a dark place if she could, then kick his ass.
The two times she did that was in her introduction case and against Amuro, and in both of them, when she gets in the dark spot, her right eye is covered while the left one is not.
Even if she can not see with her right eye in broad daylight, the right lens of her glasses lets her see in dark places.
She is always seen using her laptop while the two other candidates usually use their phones, wich will lead me to say that she is good at piracy aka hackingu.
I said before in a discord server that i was waiting for Rum/pirate hints from Aoyama after the AC comment about Gin and the others on the boat, but it seems that the pirate is not Wakita, it is Rumi, while Rum is indeed Wakita.
Aoyama sensei, you are a brilliant mystery writer.

"It is like encountering a demon in the darkness"
My favourite DC theories:

-The real Anokata is the friends Conan made in his journey.
-Gosho and Akemi are actually alligators.
-Okino Yoko is BO.
-Wakita likes basketball.
-Every character in the show is actually Vermouth if you think about it.
-Amuro does not wake up at 5 am everyday.
-Korn is vegetarian.
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HatiMMOS wrote:
January 25th, 2021, 8:13 pm

Even if she can not see with her right eye in broad daylight, the right lens of her glasses lets her see in dark places.
Not really sure what you mean here. Do you mean she can see in the dark because of the lens and not the eye? How can a lens help to see in the dark? And if such a lens exists then wouldn't it be noticable in daylight?
Your theory will make sense if Rumi can see in the dark only using her right eye, which might be artificial, but I don't see how is that possible.
"It is like encountering a demon in the darkness"
This is interesting if Rumi is that demon and Gin and Mary were referring to her back in the days when she was in the BO, considering all the Rumi-fighting-in-the-dark scenes we have got so far.
blackmoon wrote:
January 18th, 2021, 7:07 am
Wouldn't it be fun if the boss named Renya Karasuma actually turns out to be Gin who used APTX to reverse his age and stopped aging?
Nope. It won't be fun at all. We are not even shown the full scope of BO, and if one of the members itself turns out to be the boss, then it would be like the 'detective's boys' gang but only on a larger scale.
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Reader wrote:
January 26th, 2021, 3:06 am
HatiMMOS wrote:
January 25th, 2021, 8:13 pm

Even if she can not see with her right eye in broad daylight, the right lens of her glasses lets her see in dark places.
Not really sure what you mean here. Do you mean she can see in the dark because of the lens and not the eye? How can a lens help to see in the dark ? And if such a lens exists then wouldn't it be noticable in daylight?
Your theory will make sense if Rumi can see in the dark only using her right eye, which might be artificial, but I don't see how is that possible.

The night vision could be activated or desactivated by a small button whenever Rumi feels like to.(Chapter 1033 page 11, turning it off, as if it hurts her eye after long time exposure to bright sunlight. Chapter 1032 page 11, turning it on, reflexes of a professional )

Having an eye that grants you night vision is too sci-fi, glasses on the other hand are a bit more reasonable and i suspect the MI6 for making those after Mary said that the battery of Conan's glasses/device is unique.

After seing movie 20, even if it is not canon, everything is possible. Be it the abnormal eye or the lens,or both of them, Wakasa manages to see her opponent's movement in pitch black with her right eye.
My favourite DC theories:

-The real Anokata is the friends Conan made in his journey.
-Gosho and Akemi are actually alligators.
-Okino Yoko is BO.
-Wakita likes basketball.
-Every character in the show is actually Vermouth if you think about it.
-Amuro does not wake up at 5 am everyday.
-Korn is vegetarian.
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I'm caught back up with the Anime and Manga and wow, quite a lot of revelations and hints lately. Not sure what the most popular theories are right now, I think that Rumi is Asaka and that Kuroda is likely Tsutomu.
Used to be Uchiha Shadow :)
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