MeiTanteixX wrote:Except... it is quite clearly shown that Rum is interested and gathering intel on Kudo Shinichi (File 1008), while it's in fact Gin who is revealed to be concerned and planning to take action towards the spy infestation (File 898).Zerozaki4869 wrote:I don't think Rum's target is Shinichi, it looks more like Rum's target is the spy infestation.
Zerozaki4869 wrote:"So Hyōe is concerned about Rumi enough to stalk her, but not to go further than that?"
Yup, to be honest the repercussions of that encounter is already started to take shape. Possibly Kuroda is manipulating Bourbon/NPA to get more info about Rumi.
Zerozaki4869 wrote:"He's connected her to the Amanda/Kōji murders—a huge point of exposure for the BO—if he wasn't prepared to go farther than stalking her in 987–989, when will he cross that line?"
He doesn't know whether Rumi is an idiot or Rumi is a trap, so he is treading with caution. Also I think Hoye is yet to place Rumi in the picture unlike Kanenori.
Zerozaki4869 wrote:a) Kuroda arrives at Nagano, much later. Scotch had been killed for some years now, yet the sudden interest of NPA in Komei looks odd. If NPA was worried about Komei then they would have mobilized after Scotch's killing/made prefecture to transfer Komei at NPA for closer observations.
b) Trust deficit between Bourbon and Kuroda. Cause Bourbon was chatting about the serial murder case just fine, but when the meeting with Akai and Kudo parents were mentioned he got a jumpscare. So likely Kuroda doesn't know about Akai being alive cause Amuro possibly have ordered his NPA lackeyes to keep their mouth shut.
Zerozaki4869 wrote:I don't think Rei had told anything about the meeting to either Rum or Hoye. The manga panel after NPA's failure in the scarlet arc, Rei mentioned that "he will handle the seniors about the mission." Possibly he must have said something like a misadventure or something of that sort.
But I think Hoye has instructed Bourbon to do two jobs, one which could have been hampered due to the serial murderer of policewomen and the other being the information about investigation of Kudou Shinichi.
Zerozaki4869 wrote:But two things stick out like sore thumbs,
a) Rum as of now hasn't called Rei, only had texted him.(BO operatives do call people, Gin uses voice calls all the time.)
b) Wakita bends his knees to hide his true height also arches his back to look droopy.
These two things boil down to one single idea,
a) Wakita is wary that when he will approach Kogoro there might be someone who shouldn't see his true height and stature.
b) Bourbon already interacts with Rum, but doesn't know the man who is talking to him is really Rum.
So it boils down to Wakita a BO agent who had been seen by Bourbon and Rum as someone else is in contact with Bourbon.
Zerozaki4869 wrote:Now if we use that trick of Agasa, out of 3+1 suspects one should be clear(i.e. no hidden Rum-likeness) the clear one would be Rum.
Now when Kuroda got cleared off just after he appeared. All Rum suspects(discounting Chikara) i.e. Rumi, Kanenori and Muga had appeared after Hoye got his clean chit.
Now there is a very funny thing about Gosho's answer that Rum is one among Kuroda, Wakita and Rumi.
Wakita and Rumi are fake names(which is almost clear to everyone) but Kuroda is a real name. So there is a chance that both this Kuroda and Rum had the same name, that's why Rum was able to take Kuroda's place.(I think Real Kuroda was to protect Amanda as Asaka).
Now Asaka was real Kuroda but Rum replaced real Kuroda before Asaka even went to Amanda.
Then he killed Amanda, Kohji realised that he was his acquaintance, "Hoye Kuroda the second." so Kohji also had to die.
Now I'm stuck at Kuroda's coma. If Kuroda was in a coma when all these things were happening, then this Kuroda is surely a fake and was brought in after he was seriously damaged. Then NPA switched him with real Kuroda because this guy was a very trustowrthy person of NPA(i.e. Asaka who wasn't Kuroda but got switched by Rum.)
If Kuroda's coma started after Kohji incident, then the one who got into coma was a fake altogether and was someone who already had neutralized real Kuroda( i.e. Asaka in that case.)
Now if we assume that real Kuroda/Asaka was aptxed by Rum and somehow survived what would be real Kuroda?
This real Kuroda is good at protecting, had strong features and was in such a precarious condition that he couldn't come out to unmask the faker( as nobody would believe him.) In that case asaka/real Kuroda would be Iori Muga who had been given the same APTX like thing which halted Vermouth's ageing.
blackmoon wrote:Well, we saw from prior chapters in the manga that the "current" Kuroda was having flash-blacks recalling the crime scene of the bruised and dead Kohji Haneda. So he must either be the same Kuroda as the one who was the police at the time investigating the crime scene OR the curpit who commited the murder causing the crime scene OR someone else who was a witness of the crime scene. Now which one of the three? And why did Rumi dropped the four-leaf clover anyways?
Zerozaki4869 wrote:"If Hyōe is Rum (or Rum's subordinate), then why is Rei/Bourbon still alive?"
As a frequent user of that quote(all over the first 5 months of this year) I know how the reasoning works. But the said reasoning has a little chink(or pretty big if you are a rigorous theorist) the leak about Bourbon can only come from two people
Now Kazami is out of question so higher-ups in NPA would think
"Rei was just doing fine, rising in the ranks, giving us data, while nobody was getting a whiff, but all of a sudden this Kuroda comes interacts with Rei, gets to know his BO codename and Rei is outed, damn you Kuroda."
Given this sort of a shady past I do think unless NPA was sure that Kuroda is trustworthy they won't have allowed him to touch Bourbon, given the loss of Hiromitsu. So all in all, Kuroda(if Rum/loyal BO) has no advantage to kill Bourbon just now, but could potentially blackmail Bourbon into doing some of his dirty work before finishing him off. Also if Hoye is Rum, he needs to have a story for Bourbon's cover blow up else people in BO will connect Rum as a spy in NPA and the one having some contact with Bourbon, thus zero in on Kuroda, so if there are other spies in BO it will spook them and possibly for insightful spies Kuroda might get revealed.
Zerozaki4869 wrote:For the Muga issue I think Ooka family can come in handy in spressing secrets and in this way Muga/Asaka can keep watch over Haneda household from a safe distance.
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