learn to tell the difference between speculation and fact.Zerozaki4869 wrote:Like the glass shard? I saw you disagreeing with yourself all the time.
learn to tell the difference between speculation and fact.Zerozaki4869 wrote:Like the glass shard? I saw you disagreeing with yourself all the time.
MeiTanteixX wrote:I actually prefer to agree, so that I don't have to do the dirty work...Zerozaki4869 wrote:But you'll disagree because You want to disagree, end of the story.
But I can never agree to faulty/baseless statements ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Zerozaki4869 wrote:No, first get the shogi shaped pill case of Haneda Kohji, only then I'll share my thoughts with you, eh??
No. That's overblown. We just know that she wanted her dead no matter what. Now that she gave up on killing her, what feelings are left for Sherry? We don't know that.Nemomon wrote:One thing - Vermouth hates Sherry with a burning passion.
MeiTanteixX wrote:No. That's overblown. We just know that she wanted her dead no matter what. Now that she gave up on killing her, what feelings are left for Sherry? We don't know that.Nemomon wrote:One thing - Vermouth hates Sherry with a burning passion.
MeiTanteixX wrote:"Rumi = Vermouth" Theory Summary
In-universe hints about Rumi fitting with Vermouth:
1. Rumi knows of Conan's competance as a detective and is always watchful of him. (File 966-968) [Vermouth knows his competance and views him highly]Spoiler:
2. Rumi is really good at acting clumsy/innocent/shy/scared, to the point that even Conan/Haibara never noticed. (File 966-968, 978) [Vermouth is a star actress]Spoiler:
3. Rumi has shown a very questionable morality and conflicting sides:
- Grinning while showing a ruthless side in a blood-thristy manner when all eyes of the relevant people are not on her (File 968, 989). Smirking at the chance of using a potential murder to further her goals (File 978) [Vermouth has at least 20 years of underworld exposure and killing experience]- Showing empathy and tears for Ayumi to an extent that sways Haibara from her suspicion (File 989) [File 459: Vermouth left a strong positive effect on Teitan that made Araide question if she is a bad person]Spoiler:Spoiler:
4. Rumi triggered Haibara's BO-sense (File 978) [only alive female who has done that as far as we know is Vermouth, just like Akai for the male equivalent during Subaru's triggering]Spoiler:
5. Rumi is shown to have BO intel access and interest in APTX victims (File 1005) [File 823: Vermouth has a clearly portrayed goal to get rid of/hide APTX victims who survived due to shrinking and is high-ranked enough in the BO to get access to APTX victim list]Spoiler:
6. Rumi has shown interest in Agasa's gadgets & his next-door neighbor (File 966, File 1006) [File 955-956: Vermouth showed interest and suspicion towards Agasa's current neighbor Subaru, who uses the voice-changing choker on a daily basis, and found out from Bourbon that he is Agasa's next-door neighbor]Spoiler:
potentially relevant foreshadowings/setups by Gosho:
1. Haibara not being able to react immediately to Vermouth's presence anymore (File 852/856) [This makes it possible for Vermouth to be utilized as a "new character"(in disguise) who is around Haibara without constantly putting her on edge and being suspected as BO]Spoiler:
2. DB seeing Subaru's choker (File 898) [potential setup to Rumi finding out about that gadget through DB, who she keeps involving herself with]Spoiler:
3. Vermouth's disguise being mistaken for Kid's (File 958), and right before Rumi's intro:- previous case (Kid case), focuses on Subaru and the danger of his choker getting exposed (File 965)Spoiler:- Rumi intro, DB talks about Kid-level disguises (File 966)Spoiler:Spoiler:
4. "My favorite is Whiskey" (File 967) ["whiskey" possibly hinting to "Rye", who she is potentially investigating, and a parallel to Jodie's favorite drink "Sherry", who she was investigating (File 343)]Spoiler:
5. Acting(Ikkyu role-playing) & Disguise(Golfer) theme in the 2nd Rumi-centered case [potential easter eggs to Vermouth's main skills]Spoiler:
6. Rumi-Subaru parallels (potential foreshadowing to Rumi's future development being similar to Subaru's):
- Rumi going through the reverse of Haibara suspecting Subaru and Conan supporting him (File 624/989)- Saving Ayumi from culprit using their skills/experience/knowledge (File 666/989) [Subaru: dealing with crime, Rumi: killing]Spoiler:Spoiler:
7. Fukamachi(Butler) head turns and Kogoro reaction to strengthened glasses paralleling Rumi's head turns and bumping reaction (File 1009-1010 / 966/988) [potential foreshadowing to Rumi wearing unfit strengthened glasses, which in turn points to her wearing it for a disguise, rather than needing it]Spoiler:
8. “Wakasa Rumi’s name (若狭留美) has the kanjis for “若さ wakasa”, “留める todomeru ”, “美しさ utsukushisa" that can be read as "Youth halt beauty", which fits with Vermouth's aging being stopped and having never-ending beauty.
The Doctor wrote:There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes.
The Doctor wrote:Remember: Hate is always foolish, and love is always wise.
Iwamoto Yuri wrote:no
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