K.O.R.N wrote:I don't think Kouji has any idea of Rum is a BO member, or even if Rum exists, honestly. To know of BO's existence, you either have to be a member of the org, a spy, or is related to the victims of BO. And the message Asaca Rum can be interpreted in many different ways. It doesn't have to be that Asaka = Rum. It could just mean Asaka and Rum are related to each other in some ways, or that both are involved in this case. It could also be that Kouji intended to write "Rumi" instead of "Rum", pointing to Rumi as a person the police should go ask for help in this case.
PhantomWriter wrote:I have to agree about the likelihood of Kohji having known Rum under the name Rum is low. However, the problem with that is that most murder victims who have a chance to write something out or leave a message leave a message about their killer. It's also very rare for people not to know their killer's names, too. Keeping that in mind, such a message would be more likely to make the police think she killed him if they found the message.
Well said. This assessment is clean. I agree with you on this fully. Although I'm not in a rush to pin Rumi as Asaka(since that could easily be a red-herring and we could still get more new characters), she is definitely the one you are left with through process of elimination, appearance-wise(which is all that we got on Asaka's part at the moment).PhantomWriter wrote:I have to agree about the likelihood of Kohji having known Rum under the name Rum is low. However, the problem with that is that most murder victims who have a chance to write something out or leave a message leave a message about their killer. It's also very rare for people not to know their killer's names, too. Keeping that in mind, such a message would be more likely to make the police think she killed him if they found the message.
Personally, I think, through process of elimination, that Wakasa Rumi is Asaka:
- Asaka is smaller in frame, more lithe than broad-shouldered. This eliminates Kuroda, Chikara, Tsutomu, and Wakita, who are all noticeably broad in the shoulders.
- Asaka has long, dark hair. This eliminates Mary, who has blonde hair as her natural color.
- Asaka was a bodyguard 17 years ago, which means Asaka was an adult at the time. This eliminates Iori and Sakurako from the suspect list if their listed ages are accurate. Iori would have been 13 and Sakurako would have been 5 at the time.
This is also not discussing other details, such as Wakasa's choice of pseudonym (because that name either means she has phenomenally bad luck or she is intentionally using it to mark her involvement to possible allies), her strong reaction to blinding/prosthetic eyes, the likely objects in her pocket, her wish not to be in the papers and for people to think she's just a lucky klutz, and her ability to use close-quarters combat like she can.
Mary is possibly MI6, given her UK connections, the "secret service" observation Conan has (MI6 is actually SIS- Secret Intelligence Service), and several hints in the dialogue and her actions and abilities. She's certainly against the Organization, even if she isn't affiliated with MI6, given that they keep trying to murder her family and tried to murder her. I can understand her distrust in Kudo, too. Kudo has a lot of issues with keeping a low profile compared to others.
I'm hesitant to speak of Kuroda at the moment. I need more time to think about him. Wakita, Chikara, and Iori have little information to go by, so that is an issue and I'd rather not make guesses without more information. I just have them mentally tagged as a person of interest for the time being.
As for Tsutomu, we have little information, making it hard to theorize anything about him. The reason why the faked death theories and stuff surrounding Shuichi and Subaru worked was because we had some idea of what he was like before he had to fake his death. Turns of phrase, knowledge, how he acts (such being left-handed and his fondness for bourbon), that sort of thing. We also saw enough of the setup during the Clash for a person to be able to deduce how the trick worked. We never knew Tsutomu and we know little of the circumstances surrounding his disappearance, so we don't have that knowledge. Yet it was acknowledged that nobody found Tsutomu's body in seven years, which could be a red flag or a red herring, puns entirely intended.
PhantomWriter wrote:I can understand her distrust in Kudo, too. Kudo has a lot of issues with keeping a low profile compared to others.
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:PhantomWriter wrote:I can understand her distrust in Kudo, too. Kudo has a lot of issues with keeping a low profile compared to others.
The key is, what does she think has changed about him over the course of 10 years?
Unless you combine the problematic implications of him not keeping a low profile now, and his tendency to be a sentinel for murders even when he actually was 7—he didn't need to keep a low profile, back then—I find it hard pressed to buy that the primary cause of her sudden "keep your guard up around that monster lurking in the dark" attitude is how much of a low profile he keeps.
On the topic of Rumi = Asaka, I do have to wonder whether or not she was a BO agent, as well, 17 years ago. I have to wonder whether or not she became Amanda's bodyguard on the BO's behalf (to give Amanda a false sense of security, which Rum would then have a free hand to exploit)—she was perfectly fine with standing by and getting Amanda murdered (just like with the golfer's girlfriend)—but the unexpected murder of Koji (since he may very well have been Rumi's boyfriend or brother) turned her against the BO (just like the death of Shiho's/Sherry's loved one turned her against the BO).
PhantomWriter wrote:Perhaps it's his puppeteering of Kogoro? That's something I think we as readers/viewers have gotten a bit too used to. She perhaps rightly guessed the intention with Agasa and Conan's original plan to make Kogoro into a great detective- to use him as a lure to dig into Org. related cases. Problem is, with how the Org. acts, that is likely to get Kogoro in a lot of hot water if one isn't careful. While I don't doubt that the various adult characters of certain stripes are used to more morally ambiguous actions, the fact that someone her daughter's age is acting like that and seems to have no problems with using the father of someone he cares about as bait would be disturbing.
Considering his contradictory actions, too, that could compound matters. By contradictory actions, I mean how he wants to find out what's going on with her. However, every time Masumi approaches him or tries to get him to come alone to speak with Mary, he flakes or he brings people along, essentially cancelling the meeting. Especially weird, since it should be obvious that Masumi is an ally and, before the flashback, it should have been obvious that Mary was shrunken with the hints Masumi gives about her family makeup. He's supposed to be intelligent and he knows for a fact that the shrinking effect exists. But, when there's a murder or when he's with people who don't know about the Org. or the poison, THEN he decides "I need to investigate the mysterious girl living with Sera right now," even though it's quite obvious she's in hiding. It comes across as him being short-sighted, especially since that would raise questions about who Mary is and why Masumi kept lying to everyone about things like "I'm living alone" and "My dad's dead. I only have an older brother in Japan- the other died in the line of duty- and my mother's back in America."
PhantomWriter wrote:Morally ambiguous actions aren't the purview of the Organization alone, either, so I wouldn't necessarily assume Wakasa's willingness with that golfer case to be a sign that she's in the Org.
K.O.R.N wrote:Yeah, I agree that right now Asaka's a wild card and so it's very hard to pinpoint exactly what the person is up to. If you assume that Asaka is Rumi, then it makes things somewhat easier, but, not entirely certain at this point yet. From all I know, being hired by Amanda means that Asaka's identity is of top secret and no one in Amanda family knew of Asaka at all. I think it's safe to assume that Asaka is a a secret agent and is aware of BO's existence, as well as Rum.
Kor wrote:Movie designs seem to disagree...?Spoiler:Spoiler:
Q: What about [character] settings in the movies and manga? Are they the same or are they different?
A: I'd like to say that they're the same but they're contradicitng themselves in some spots... Sorry but I can't give you a short answer. Well! The movies are the movies and the manga is the manga.
"Let's Talk With Aoyama-sensei Day" (01/03/17)
Is there a consistency with Conan? what's the point of suspecting someone without there actually being a pattern? Although Muga only had two instances for us to observe(which hardly can be called a pattern), that they didn't contradict each other is a sign of consistency(we will have to wait and see until he ever wears glasses again).Kor wrote:Is Conan suspicious too?Spoiler:Spoiler:
Just like with Kansuke and his cane, if seen from afar, someone could mistake him for an old man because of his light hair-colour(commonly associated with old age). Because it's manga, we can't tell if it would be whitish or blond, but assuming that he has European blood ties, his hair could easily be extremely light blond to the point of being mistaken as white from a distance.Kor wrote:Nor do I understand how someone supposedly being blond makes them seem old.
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