Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby MeiTanteixX » October 24th, 2017, 5:42 am

nzanon wrote:I consider Momiji and Iori to be part of the Heiji subplot. I agree with Kor, in their post above, that mixing “Heiji story” characters into the overarching Rum arc (which already has upwards of 7+ definite characters) is too messy and convoluted.
This argument isn't that strong. If it already bypassed the usual quota by at least 3+ characters, then nothing is hindering it from adding one more anymore. And if you are going by what Kor said, the number of players will decrease by the end anyway(due to many turning out to be the same, or an older, character).

We have the main Rum suspects(3):
Kuroda, Rumi, Wakita.

The missing people(2):
Asaka, Tsutomu.

The connected player(1):
Mary.

And then the main antagonist himself(1):
Rum.

7 players in total (like you said)

If I were to cross out same/old characters based on my theories:
Spoiler:
We have the main Rum suspects:
Kuroda, Rumi, Wakita.

The missing people:
Asaka, Tsutomu.
(unsure if Asaka is a new or an older character, but I suspect the latter so it's a half-cross for now)

The connected player:
Mary.

And then the main antagonist himself:
Rum.
5 players in total
4 (if Asaka is an older character)
(I suggest everyone do this in order to see how many new players one thinks we really have)
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Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby nzanon » October 24th, 2017, 6:57 am

Good idea! Using your template:

We have the main Rum suspects(3):
Kuroda, Rumi, Wakita.

The missing people(2):
Asaka, Tsutomu.

The connected player(1):
Mary.

And then the main antagonist himself(1):
Rum.

7 players in total

Now, based on my theories:

Spoiler:
wherein I believe Rumi=Asaka and Tsutomu=Kuroda (although there is definitely less-solid evidence for this):

We have the main Rum suspects(3):
Kuroda, Rumi, Wakita.

The missing people(0):
Asaka, Tsutomu.

The connected player(1):
Mary.

And then the main antagonist himself(1):
Rum.

5 players in total
[ ] Katsumata = Rum
[ ] Kuroda = Tsutomu / MI6 / previous BO member
[ ] Rumi = Asaka / Kouji's wife / Kuroda's ex-teammate
[ ] Wakita = Amuro's mentor in Secret Service / currently protecting Kogoro
[x] Mary = Akai mother
[x] Shuuichi = Akai brother
[ ] Iori = Just a butler
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Postby dccd » October 24th, 2017, 7:40 am

A lof of short answers and thoughts:

It seems somewhat complicated to really agree whether a character is a (Rum-)suspect or not.
Even though I read more and more "I dont think any of those 3 is Rum"-type of comments most people are hesitating to deepen their thought-process.

1) Not to long ago most people would consider Shukichi to be a "new player" and count him as a Rum-arc-character.
But since he didnt had any impact on the bo-plot yet I guess its ok to discount him.
Still Im kinda convinced he - esspecially his memory - will be playing a role in to bo-plot.

2) Im really interested about how many people currently think that Rum is one of those three "main suspects". Would you mind a poll, Kor?

3) As far as I saw most european communities are only into the three main suspects and partially into the Shogi-guy.
Does someone has access to the japanese or other big DC-communities? Id like to know what those people think.
Atleast the reddit-poll results were like 50% for Rumi being Rum (which is kinda... [._.v] ).

4) It seems odd to me that pretty much noone is interested in characters as Higo even though I consider for example 997-999 (esspecially 999) to be somewhat of a
huge tease to people (as me) who are looking in the second row of suspects for Rum.

5) We already got one flashback-case (Mary at the beach). I wonder how many more will come up.
I think there are atleast 2-3 more to come ( 17years ago-case, Marys shrinking and probably even Tsutomus incident).
We might get even the Kuroda-incident as an own case.
Then again Elena/Mary/(Bourbon) might be one as well.

I just hope things speed up a little bit...
[ ] Yonehara = Rum
[ ] Kuroda = Amuros Boss
[x] MG = Mrs. Akai
[x] Haneda = Brother Akai
[ ] Rumi = Asaka
[ ] Wakita = Bo-Member Whiskey
[ ] Iori = just a butler
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby Kor » October 24th, 2017, 1:02 pm

dccd wrote:2) Im really interested about how many people currently think that Rum is one of those three "main suspects". Would you mind a poll, Kor?


We had a second poll about Rum's identity not too long ago, so maybe these results sort of answer your question?
Poll #25:

What's your speculation regarding Rum's identity? (II)

Katsumata Chikara - 33% (28 votes)
A new character that hasn't appeared yet - 14% (12 votes)
A person who switched places with Kuroda mid-coma - 10% (9 votes)
Wakita Kanenori - 9% - (8 votes)
Wakasa Rumi - 8% (7 votes)
Kuroda Hyoue - 6% (5 votes)
Asaka (the bodyguard), who hasn't appeared yet - 6% (5 votes)
Momiji's butler - 5% (4 votes)
The old man (from vol 58) who made Camel ruin Akai's plan - 5% (4 votes)
Another character that appeared in the past - 3% (3 votes)
Sakurako - 1% (1 vote)
Mary - 0% (0 votes)


dccd wrote: Atleast the reddit-poll results were like 50% for Rumi being Rum (which is kinda... [._.v] ).


Yeah, I also noticed how in poll 26 Rumi barely got any votes at the start, but once I posted it on reddit, Rumi's numbers went up. Not to say that it's just redditors who voted for her, but I also noticed this trend.

At the very least, around these parts, these were the results in the Rumi poll from 10 months ago:

Poll #22:

Who do you think is Wakasa Rumi?

Asaka (but not Rum) - 37% (35 votes)
Someone else related in some way to the case (or the victims) from 17 years ago - 20% (19 votes)
A member of the NPA or the PSB - 15% (14 votes)
She's Rum - 10% (9 votes)
Vermouth - 5% (5 votes)
Another new BO agent or a BO goon - 5% (5 votes)
An agent of another intelligence agency - 4% (4 votes)
A red herring character who has nothing to do with anything - 3% (3 votes)
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby dccd » October 24th, 2017, 3:43 pm

Well... it seems Chikara is the reason for the "Rum is not one of those 3"-statements.

Guess Zero and Buddy were quite convincing :D

And yeah, I got my answers. Thanks !
[ ] Yonehara = Rum
[ ] Kuroda = Amuros Boss
[x] MG = Mrs. Akai
[x] Haneda = Brother Akai
[ ] Rumi = Asaka
[ ] Wakita = Bo-Member Whiskey
[ ] Iori = just a butler
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Postby Zerozaki4869 » October 25th, 2017, 12:12 am

Rum Suspects:
Wakita, Kuroda, Iori. (Rumi is not considered a Rum suspect in my book because she's not an womanly man)

Missing fellows:
Tsutomu, Asaka, ??(A third person other than Rum, Asaka, Tsutomu but related to Kohji case, the uploader of Kohji case)

Suspect X:
Rumi( too flashy to be Asaka, in wrong gender to be Tsutomu and Rum)

Suspect Z:
Rum.

Victim no.2:
Mary

My Map:
Kuroda=(not directly related, not swapped)
Wakita=Tsutomu.
Asaka=Iori, poisoned Mary.
Rumi=The third missing/unmapped person(who took stuff from crime scene)
Rum=A top dog in his social life, even BO people don't get to see his face. Probably a celebrity who had access to both Kohji and Amanda without raising any red flags.
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Postby Kokuriko » October 26th, 2017, 2:02 am

Looks like the 3-week break has no effect on how far-reaching these Rum theories run. Bet you guys have too much fun of this as well. I'd like to share my template based on K.O.R.N's post so feel free to use it for for your convenience.
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Kor wrote:I came up with a sillier one last year.
Rum has one eye. Eye = I. Rumi is Rum with an I.
As for the W in Wakasa, W=double. Hence Rum(i)'s also a double agent.
You may throw your shoes at me now.

I think it's cute, like "the phone, the sea and I".

dccd wrote:About Vodka: Didnt he saw Heiji unmasking himself later in that case and therefore he didnt care about "Shinichi"?

I take it that we don't hold the same view about the importance of Gin's question at the end of File 434.
Keep in mind that Gin and Vodka paid attention to 'Shinichi' at that time was because they were responsible for killing him using APTX the poison in the past. When Vermouth devised a plan to assassinate the movie director, Gin must have figured out that it came from her own personal interest, rather than from the usual BO's interest, by these details : 1.She forced somebody to kill the director 2.She didn't oversee the event but let Vodka do that 3.The target didn't seem to be a political figure worthy of BO's attention. We can safely believe that Gin knew Vermouth dragged Calvados with her to hunt down Sherry, fought the FBI and had to withdraw, and that he knew the assassination was just a cover to have someone's attention drawn away. Because the only funny thing happened in that Halloween costume party was a participator using a double-layered disguise and for some reason one layer was someone who should have died, Gin asked Vermouth to make sure if they thought of the same person.

Now in the present, even if a BO member doesn't have any prior knowledge or encounter with this 'Shinichi' guy, he would still question the detective's reappearance based on these things:
- Calvados died on the same night that 'Shinichi' appeared, and Vermouth clashed with the FBI despite her carefully crafted plan.
- In the list of APTX 4869's victims, the names "Shinichi" and "Haneda Kouji" are placed within one's view, and both are confirmed dead.
Should that attentive BO member using Gin's logic mentioned above be Rum or Bourbon, then the chance that they discover 'Shinichi' isn't dead is very high.
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Don't forget that in File 895 Bourbon mentioned Gin's style of dealing with the Pisco case, proving he could gather enough available data from those past BO missions, which in turn indicated some kind of archive inside BO for storing information. Their latest interference with the ASACA-false alarm case is another sign supporting this. On the other hand, I was impressed that Bourbon conducted a thorough investigation of Sherry while doing Scar Akai's disguise. Multi-tasking at its finest.
You may as well consider the option that their conclusion would be 'Shinichi is working with the FBI which explains why he goes missing'. In the past that was wrong but now it's as real as it can get. So, wouldn't you agree that Kyoto event is a perfect fit for a game-changing move ?
dccd wrote:PS: So whats your Rum-pick btw? ;)

Well, currently there are 2 red flags regarding Rumi :
1. Why did Rumi ask Conan's group for help during her debut case ? At that time they were in the middle of lunch time, not recess or after-class; all the students were presented in the classroom but she deliberately approached the Detective Boys (for no particular reason?) and later gave them hints "by accident", suggesting she knew Conan or the group could solve the code/murder - something that not even Gin or Bourbon could know that beforehand.
2. Why did Haibara get a similar "BO aura" from Rumi, yet still decide to trust her ? Even if Haibara can relax temporarily now that most of BO members think she's dead, a skeptical person like her would still be in doubt of Rumi. Oddly enough she trusts her instinct so much that she denies assumptions from Conan who has utmost trust from her.
I like Rumi though, so I don't care if she turns out to be Rum (which is unlikely imo). For Kuroda, I see no red flag for him at the moment, and in Wakita case, can't say because of his lack of screentime. That said, Rum's identity is not one of my top priorities. I don't have enough concrete clues to guarantee a legitimate answer, and I don't do wild guesses. So I'm just gonna take it easy from here, enjoy the ShinRan canon (especially Conan being lovey-dovey/an eyesore to everyone from now on) and channel my energy towards Gosho to confirm my other ships.
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » October 26th, 2017, 2:13 am

Kokuriko wrote:Well, currently there are 2 red flags regarding Rumi :
1. Why did Rumi ask Conan's group for help during her debut case ? At that time they were in the middle of lunch time, not recess or after-class; all the students were presented in the classroom but she deliberately approached the Detective Boys (for no particular reason?) and later gave them hints "by accident", suggesting she knew Conan or the group could solve the code/murder - something that not even Gin or Bourbon could know that beforehand.
2. Why did Haibara get a similar "BO aura" from Rumi, yet still decide to trust her ? Even if Haibara can relax temporarily now that most of BO members think she's dead, a skeptical person like her would still be in doubt of Rumi. Oddly enough she trusts her instinct so much that she denies assumptions from Conan who has utmost trust from her.
I like Rumi though, so I don't care if she turns out to be Rum (which is unlikely imo).


Do you think she's Asaka? Or, do you think she's Vermouth in disguise?
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Postby Kokuriko » November 5th, 2017, 1:16 am

DCUniverseAficionado wrote:Do you think she's Asaka? Or, do you think she's Vermouth in disguise?


Sorry for the late reply, had to go back and re-read Rumi chapters. As far as I can see, there's no indication that Rumi is Vermouth in disguise. From how Rumi is presented in the current arc, there are two definite signs defying that claim:
- Unlike Vermouth who knows better than anyone else in the BO (not counting Rei because he's an enemy of the bad guys) about Shinichi/Conan's detective skills, Rumi sure takes her sweet time to test his ability while giving him hints to solve cases that apparently got nothing to do with the BO. Besides, Vermouth has no problem letting Conan find out when she's disguising someone, with or without Ran's notice. And then you have to take into account the chances that other BO members would question why Vermouth decides to play an elementary school teacher now of all time and unnecessarily letting Conan be the focus of their attention; it's completely not her style at all.
- Vermouth's terrifying presence not being detected by Haibara can't be handwaved as simple as that, especially when the manga hammers it really really HARD that just Vermouth's presence alone (when she's completely immersed in her roles) scares Haibara beyond despair, which is confirmed by Bourbon (File 824) and Haibara herself (the entire Vermouth arc). Of course you can argue that Haibara's ability to detect BO's aura is unreliable now. But from how I see it, it's either she does sense it (especially if the aura deems "danger" to her) or she doesn't, there's no inbetween. If Rumi is Vermouth, Haibara would be wary of her immediately after Files 987-989 instead of just letting it slide.
There are other moments, like when Rumi nonchalantly tried to accuse Kuroda in their first encounter, or when she beat up the robbers on her own, making you wonder since when Vermouth is well-versed in martial art or unafraid to brazenly confront a police agent ?

I still think she's the real bodyguard of Amanda. But everything else regarding the Kouji murder case is another story.
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Postby DCUniverseAficionado » November 5th, 2017, 10:27 pm

Kokuriko wrote:Sorry for the late reply, had to go back and re-read Rumi chapters. As far as I can see, there's no indication that Rumi is Vermouth in disguise. From how Rumi is presented in the current arc, there are two definite signs defying that claim:
- Unlike Vermouth who knows better than anyone else in the BO (not counting Rei because he's an enemy of the bad guys) about Shinichi/Conan's detective skills, Rumi sure takes her sweet time to test his ability while giving him hints to solve cases that apparently got nothing to do with the BO. Besides, Vermouth has no problem letting Conan find out when she's disguising someone, with or without Ran's notice. And then you have to take into account the chances that other BO members would question why Vermouth decides to play an elementary school teacher now of all time and unnecessarily letting Conan be the focus of their attention; it's completely not her style at all.
- Vermouth's terrifying presence not being detected by Haibara can't be handwaved as simple as that, especially when the manga hammers it really really HARD that just Vermouth's presence alone (when she's completely immersed in her roles) scares Haibara beyond despair, which is confirmed by Bourbon (File 824) and Haibara herself (the entire Vermouth arc). Of course you can argue that Haibara's ability to detect BO's aura is unreliable now. But from how I see it, it's either she does sense it (especially if the aura deems "danger" to her) or she doesn't, there's no inbetween. If Rumi is Vermouth, Haibara would be wary of her immediately after Files 987-989 instead of just letting it slide.
There are other moments, like when Rumi nonchalantly tried to accuse Kuroda in their first encounter, or when she beat up the robbers on her own, making you wonder since when Vermouth is well-versed in martial art or unafraid to brazenly confront a police agent ?

I still think she's the real bodyguard of Amanda. But everything else regarding the Kouji murder case is another story.


Nah, it's fine—with this long break, now's as good a time as any to take your time. :)

Let's see what MeitanteiXx has to say about your points—since he's a proponent of the Rumi = Vermouth theory.
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Postby MeiTanteixX » November 6th, 2017, 4:47 am

DCUniverseAficionado wrote:Let's see what MeitanteiXx has to say about your points—since he's a proponent of the Rumi = Vermouth theory.
Are you baiting me? ;D
I have already layed out my arguments about Rumi's actions and her potential motives. If one wants to be sure about Rumi not being Vermouth, they can try debunking this perspective:
My thoughts on Rumi (Up to File 995)
If one is arguing about developments after File 995, then I guess you will have to ask for my opinion on them directly(Since I haven't made an update post for beyond those chapters).
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Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » November 6th, 2017, 12:25 pm

MeiTanteixX wrote:I have already layed out my arguments about Rumi's actions and her potential motives. If one wants to be sure about Rumi not being Vermouth, they can try debunking this perspective:
My thoughts on Rumi (Up to File 995)
If one is arguing about developments after File 995, then I guess you will have to ask for my opinion on them directly(Since I haven't made an update post for beyond those chapters).


I was just wondering about your response to Kokuriko's points and view on the Rumi = Vermouth theory.

I await your File 995–present update, then. :)
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Postby MeiTanteixX » November 7th, 2017, 4:40 pm

DCUniverseAficionado wrote:I was just wondering about your response to Kokuriko's points and view on the Rumi = Vermouth theory.
I guess I can give brief comments on them.
Kokuriko wrote:From how Rumi is presented in the current arc, there are two definite signs defying that claim:
- Unlike Vermouth who knows better than anyone else in the BO (not counting Rei because he's an enemy of the bad guys) about Shinichi/Conan's detective skills, Rumi sure takes her sweet time to test his ability while giving him hints to solve cases that apparently got nothing to do with the BO.
That's just an assumption. It's not a fact that she is testing Conan. Her helping Conan with the cases doesn't necessarily mean that it has something to do with her goal. In File 966, she asked for the whole DB group's help, not specifically just Conan. In File 978, she planned for the whole DB group's arrival, not just Conan. In File 987, she was chaperoning the whole DB group, not just Conan. In other words, just based on her actions, her motive for being in Teitan Elementary can range from Conan to Haibara and the rest of the DB.

Kokuriko wrote:Besides, Vermouth has no problem letting Conan find out when she's disguising someone, with or without Ran's notice. And then you have to take into account the chances that other BO members would question why Vermouth decides to play an elementary school teacher now of all time and unnecessarily letting Conan be the focus of their attention; it's completely not her style at all.
I assume you are basing that on File 954. That was an exception. She was aware of here unpreparedness as Azusa and didn't intend to hide something she knew Conan would eventually find out through her expected mistakes. Give me another case where she was okay with revealing her identity while disguised.

Second bolded statement assumes that she isn't hiding it from the BO, like she did during Vermouth arc.

Kokuriko wrote:- Vermouth's terrifying presence not being detected by Haibara can't be handwaved as simple as that, especially when the manga hammers it really really HARD that just Vermouth's presence alone (when she's completely immersed in her roles) scares Haibara beyond despair, which is confirmed by Bourbon (File 824) and Haibara herself (the entire Vermouth arc). Of course you can argue that Haibara's ability to detect BO's aura is unreliable now. But from how I see it, it's either she does sense it (especially if the aura deems "danger" to her) or she doesn't, there's no inbetween.
Then what's the "not-in-between" explanation to her not sensing Vermouth in File 852?
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Kokuriko wrote:If Rumi is Vermouth, Haibara would be wary of her immediately after Files 987-989 instead of just letting it slide.
There are other moments, like when Rumi nonchalantly tried to accuse Kuroda in their first encounter, or when she beat up the robbers on her own, making you wonder since when Vermouth is well-versed in martial art or unafraid to brazenly confront a police agent ?
She was wary of her during File 987-988, and went as far as to make Rum suspicions. Just in general(unrelated to who Rumi is), you would expect there to be a reason for why she made a complete turnaround(in File 989) after getting BO triggered(in File 987). Why aren't you asking yourself that first?
Vermouth has shown great endurance(File 434) and acrobatic skills(File 354). That shouldn't limit her from also being a good fighter just in general.
After that moment in File 898, one can expect her to be more confrontational with a cop.
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Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
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Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''

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Postby dccd » November 7th, 2017, 10:09 pm

I think the latest 2 chapters kinda debunked Rumi=Vermouth.

1) The Scars
In theory its still possible that Vermouth somehow was hurt, but the chances for that runout are below 1% in my eyes.
And one must assume she would colour her hair since she was shown nude - so it doesnt make sense for her keeping her wig if she had one.

2) She looks up for Shinichi on the list
Well... she just investigated her whole arc about Shinichi, but yeah - she really needs to look up for the 100th time on the list if he really
was marked as dead.
Sounds legit, doesnt it?

3) She asks Haibara
She asks Haibara about having her met Shinichi. Well... this question kinda only makes sense if Vermouth is under amnesia and forget about
everything so far happened.

So...I guess she isnt Vermouth.
[ ] Yonehara = Rum
[ ] Kuroda = Amuros Boss
[x] MG = Mrs. Akai
[x] Haneda = Brother Akai
[ ] Rumi = Asaka
[ ] Wakita = Bo-Member Whiskey
[ ] Iori = just a butler
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » November 8th, 2017, 12:55 am

MeiTanteixX wrote:@DCUA hope you are pleased :P


Indeed. ;D

If Kokuriko intends to respond to your counter-points, I will be even more pleased.

That is, if the two of you are okay with me attempting to prompt responses and otherwise facilitate discussion.
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