Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby PhantomWriter » December 19th, 2017, 1:33 pm

Kor wrote:
blackmoon wrote:Yet, the tea itself is of the color 'red' despite its name being called 'black tea.' So, the real\true color of the tea is 'red' despite its name. While the skulls were drawn with an erasable pen, also could mean the 'black label' may be erased later. So, the trick for Gosho (like professor Agasa) may be to first introduce three suspects as possible candidates for Rum or BO agents, while at a later date revealing them to be either undercover agents or on the side of 'red' ('not black')


What we call black tea in English, the Japanese call it red tea (literally), so you may be overthinking this one aspect.


Same goes with Chinese (红茶). It's called that based on the tea's coloration when brewed, while English is referring to the tea leaves while dry.

While I wouldn't put it past Gosho to play with it, since red and black is a recurring motif, there is a point where one could argue it could go either way (going toward red, implying good, or going toward black, implying bad) without outside information.
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby blackmoon » December 19th, 2017, 8:19 pm

Kor wrote:
blackmoon wrote:Yet, the tea itself is of the color 'red' despite its name being called 'black tea.' So, the real\true color of the tea is 'red' despite its name. While the skulls were drawn with an erasable pen, also could mean the 'black label' may be erased later. So, the trick for Gosho (like professor Agasa) may be to first introduce three suspects as possible candidates for Rum or BO agents, while at a later date revealing them to be either undercover agents or on the side of 'red' ('not black')


What we call black tea in English, the Japanese call it red tea (literally), so you may be overthinking this one aspect.


Well, maybe... In a nutshell, I think it's just essentially betting whether the final outcome for those 3 would end up being red or black like the two choices available when playing the Rhoulette wheel. They may be black (bad) then turn red (good) or they may be red (good) while in fact black (bad). What I'm actually betting is that there will be a 'switch' or 'SWAP' of colors for them. ;D
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby dccd » December 30th, 2017, 11:26 pm

First of all:
Happy new year everyone.

Another thing:
While watchin´ the newest anime-episodes I noticed one thing:
Tsutomus beard forms a "W" for "Wakita".

Ok, just a joke, but heres the thing:
His pupils are drawn more "big and round" rather then being "dots/small".
In the manga I would categorize them aswell as "big and round".
But both Wakita and Kuroda rather have small/dot-pupils then Tsutomu-ones.
Would mean neither of them actually is Tsutomu.

I compared Araide/Vermouth and both actually have pretty similar eyes so
in this case theres no problem.

While faceshape, beard, hair etc. can change or be changed I doubt it with pupils.
Anyways this isnt a 100% in-manga-fact, so we´ll need to wait.
Still a potential clue.
[ ] Yonehara = Rum
[ ] Kuroda = Amuros Boss
[x] MG = Mrs. Akai
[x] Haneda = Brother Akai
[ ] Rumi = Asaka
[ ] Wakita = Bo-Member Whiskey (aka the RAT)
[ ] Iori = just a butler
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby Zerozaki4869 » December 31st, 2017, 3:23 am

The eye dot comparison says nothing. The eyedots vary as the character's virtual distance from the viewer. A distant character will have dot like eyes while a character standing nearer will have bigger eyes. Even said that, characters which are given a Kawaii look, will have their eyes big. And don't forget Subaru Okiya, (that guy hardly opens his eyes but he is Akai and is capable of seeing everything.)

BTW a happy new year to all my fellow theorists.
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby MeiTanteixX » December 31st, 2017, 4:16 am

dccd wrote:First of all:
Happy new year everyone.

Another thing:
While watchin´ the newest anime-episodes I noticed one thing:
Tsutomus beard forms a "W" for "Wakita".

Ok, just a joke, but heres the thing:
His pupils are drawn more "big and round" rather then being "dots/small".
In the manga I would categorize them aswell as "big and round".
But both Wakita and Kuroda rather have small/dot-pupils then Tsutomu-ones.
Would mean neither of them actually is Tsutomu.

I compared Araide/Vermouth and both actually have pretty similar eyes so
in this case theres no problem.

While faceshape, beard, hair etc. can change or be changed I doubt it with pupils.
Anyways this isnt a 100% in-manga-fact, so we´ll need to wait.
Still a potential clue.
Happy New Year to you too! ;D

But here's the tricky part... if a nice-looking-eyed person performs plastic surgery and becomes a creepy evil looking guy... would he still have the nice-looking eyes as a part of his new design's characteristics?
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Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
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Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''

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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby dccd » January 2nd, 2018, 6:55 pm

I was talking about the pupil (Iris) itself rather then the "eye-shape".
Those cant be changed by plastic surgery afaik.

But nethermind: I just saw in 354 that Vermouth as the serial killer had totally different pupils then she had before.
Well, I guess technically its possible to wear contacts that makes your iris smaller, but I hardly doubt that
Gosho had this in mind while drawing.

So I guess we have to live with the fact that someone who is disguised might have completely different iris
in the dc-universe.
So its still possible for Wakita = Tsutomu.
[ ] Yonehara = Rum
[ ] Kuroda = Amuros Boss
[x] MG = Mrs. Akai
[x] Haneda = Brother Akai
[ ] Rumi = Asaka
[ ] Wakita = Bo-Member Whiskey (aka the RAT)
[ ] Iori = just a butler
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby MeiTanteixX » January 2nd, 2018, 7:14 pm

dccd wrote:So its still possible for Wakita = Tsutomu.
Or Kuroda = Tsutomu.
DC's Awesome Qoutes:
Spoiler:
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Bourbon:''A child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry do have much in common''
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Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman''
Image Image
Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...''
Image
Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
Image
Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''

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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby Kor » January 3rd, 2018, 9:13 pm

This doesn't have much to do with Rum specifically, and I don't want to start a new thread specifically for this, but here's one gem from the Let's Talk day.

Fujiwara: https://twitter.com/conan_fanclub/statu ... 6372434946 <-- Oh hey look, an interesting question:
Mary and Gin both use the phrase 「暗がりに鬼を繋ぐ」 (= keeping a demon in the darkness - a proverb that says not knowing someones true identity makes you feel uneasy/ feels creepy) - if Mary is imitating Tsutomu, does that mean that Gin and Tsutomu know each other?
Gosho: It's a secret (laughs)


So... have some cbox crack... which may eventually turn out to not be crack, who knows :-X

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And for some extra crack, there's also some other guy with that eye-shadow...line...thing.

Spoiler:
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(though with Kuroda there are panels he lacks that eye thing, so dunno...)

So does it mean anything? Who knows. It sure would be beautifully atrocious if Gin's also an Akai, though. *parrot*


EDIT: okay but more seriously. Eye shadows aside, I suppose the "best case scenario" is that the "secret" is that daddy Akai infiltrated the BO, so Gin got to hear from him some silly proverb and decided to adopt it and stuff. Hopefully Gin's not an Akai... wouldn't really put it past Gosho nowadays, though :V
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby Zerozaki4869 » January 3rd, 2018, 9:41 pm

The Eyshadow stuff is more pronounced in Mary. So I'll stick to the theory that It's Mary's gene(not Papakai's). I think both the three characters have it because some heavy shading, cause there's close up of both Kuroda and Gin lacking that eye shadow, unlike Shuichi.
To understand Papakai's eyes, we should look at Haneda meijin. He lacks the eye-shadow but has an eyelash like thing at the corner of his eye. I think the real Papakai would have that trait.(AS Shukichi looks more like Tsutomu.)
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby MeiTanteixX » January 9th, 2018, 1:00 pm

Kohji's Dying Message (Analysis) (v.2)
Spoiler:
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Rum = Muga (Karasuma Muga) (Theory) (Updated)
Spoiler:
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DC's Awesome Qoutes:
Spoiler:
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Bourbon:''A child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry do have much in common''
Image
Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman''
Image Image
Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...''
Image
Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
Image
Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''

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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby blackmoon » January 11th, 2018, 2:48 am

MeiTanteixX wrote:Kohji's Dying Message (Analysis) (v.2)
Spoiler:
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Rum = Muga (Karasuma Muga) (Theory) (Updated)
Spoiler:
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Thank you for the update!
Is it just me or does Muga's face really look like a horse? ;) That could be a hint...
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby Kor » January 11th, 2018, 3:05 am

Minor tidbits in the department of "here's some stuff that may or may not mean anything, any conclusions you draw out of this are completely your own"

1) Hirano Fumi will be voicing Rumi. She's the voice actress who played Lum Invader in Urusei Yatsura.
2) Katsumata Chikara's given name (力) has "Tsutomu" as an alternate reading.

The Rumi thing at least seems especially trollish.

EDIT: @blackmoon

lol, I didn't really intend to call much attention to it, but when I watched the final scene of 886, I did think they gave the butler a bit of a horse-face :-X

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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby Spimer » January 11th, 2018, 3:13 am

@Kor: that of Hirano Fumi is yet unconfirmed AFAIK.

So I'd rather wait before jumping to conclusions.
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby Kor » January 11th, 2018, 3:14 am

Spimer wrote:@Kor: that of Hirano Fumi is yet unconfirmed AFAIK.

So I'd rather wait before jumping to conclusions.


was posted in the cbox: http://www.ytv.co.jp/anime/suwa_wp/?p=4328
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby Spimer » January 11th, 2018, 5:08 am

Yeah, sorry, thought it'd still take time to be confirmed.

So Lum VA confirmed for Rumi but let's take into account that these "out-universe" references aren't necessarily related to the mystery.
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