Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby dccd » December 7th, 2017, 5:50 pm

I would like to know if the "womanly man/feminine man"-hint is translated correctly.
And therefore does not simply mean "Rum is female".
But given the silhouettes I guess it isnt.

Well, Conan does not seem to bother about Rum being male since at one point
he suspects Mary (952 ? Last pages of the Hotta Gaito - case).
Still the alcohol-gender-pattern remains...
[ ] Yonehara = Rum
[ ] Kuroda = Amuros Boss
[x] MG = Mrs. Akai
[x] Haneda = Brother Akai
[ ] Rumi = Asaka
[ ] Wakita = Bo-Member Whiskey
[ ] Iori = just a butler
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby jimmy_kud0_tv2 » December 7th, 2017, 7:12 pm

dccd wrote:I would like to know if the "womanly man/feminine man"-hint is translated correctly.
And therefore does not simply mean "Rum is female".
But given the silhouettes I guess it isnt.



女のような男
onna no you na otoko
A man who is similar to a woman

Otoko is man and Onna is woman.
in japanese, the item being described comes last, so "otoko" is being described by the "onna no you na"
the "no you na" is a grammar point meaning "like" or "similar to" such as "A is similar to B".
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby Zerozaki4869 » December 7th, 2017, 9:46 pm

Kor wrote:
Zerozaki4869 wrote:Think of this line at the end of the chapter, "Three Rum suspects are staring at.........",


That side text isn't written by Gosho, but by the publisher (with the intention of hyping up stuff). Far as I recall that side text is absent in the volumes.

Zerozaki4869 wrote:also Rumi is not a Rum suspect(as she's not an womanly man.)


Within the context of the manga, yeah, she is a Rum suspect. The manga clearly tries to frame her as such. If you don't think she's Rum, it's fine, but if her current function weren't meant to be a "Rum suspect", Gosho wouldn't have made her so suspicious.


So it was that, even then my previous idea won't change. The hand has different orientation than Kuroda's. I'll stick to the theory of another Rum suspect whose face is not seen.

Rumi isn't a Rum suspect. Rumi is made to look like an Asaka suspect and due to oversimplification and Rum=Asaca stuff, average/casual readers would find that Rumi=Asaka(Female??)=Rum. Thus Gosho is playing in that line.

His conventional Rum suspects are, Kuroda, Wakita and Iori. Kuroda(Strong), Wakita(Old), Iori(Womanly). Gosho is operating on two levels, in one level he's making Rumi eat-up Iori's place, despite her not being one of Rum's description.
In the other level he's hinting the stealth, strength, capability in hand to hand combat skills of Iori.

So what is his game? Iori looks aloof from the plot yet has the quintessential qualities to be Rum also to stay as the butler and run errands of a rich kid while his past is coming bite him back looks too much of contrived stuff.

Kuroda and Wakita makes sense. Kuroda is clearly looking for Kohji killer/trying to decode the message(trying to interpret the dying message ) while Wakita is after Kogro who was involved in soul detective case which was linked to Kohji case.

Only these two seem relevant, then what Rumi and Iori are accomplishing?

If I'm correct, Rumi has the stuff which she took from Kohji's palm.(Makes sense as Rumi must have left her fingerprints all over Kohji's body so she had to disappear and she also wants to solve the case and catch the Kohji killer.)

Iori looks to be hiding and his skill-set makes him an uber bodyguard.(Asaka?)

So I'm thinking among Kuroda and Wakita, one is Akai Tsutomu while the other was his boss, or the reverse.
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby dccd » December 7th, 2017, 10:25 pm

The hand-panel is one thing that probably will never ever be solved.
But yeah, one can see it as a subtle hint on a 4th person being involved.
Especially the size of the panel - comparable to Wakitas and Kurodas - kinda favours this idea.

And well, primarily Rumi is a Rum suspect and only secondary an Asaka one.
Even though we obv know she isnt Rum the vast majority of the readership sees her as one.
Gosho obviously tries to build her up as well, since it does not make any sense to focus on her one-eye-problem for ages.
Did Asaka was told to have any eye-problems?
There you go.

She agrees ;) :
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Interesting that, even after the blindman-case and tengu-case you still believe that Iori is part of the mainplot even
though there was not one single scene which indicated that.
If he´s not Rum but a Rum-suspect, then why didnt Gosho gave him some last-page-suspects-screen time?
[ ] Yonehara = Rum
[ ] Kuroda = Amuros Boss
[x] MG = Mrs. Akai
[x] Haneda = Brother Akai
[ ] Rumi = Asaka
[ ] Wakita = Bo-Member Whiskey
[ ] Iori = just a butler
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby PhantomWriter » December 7th, 2017, 11:02 pm

I think that is an interesting point to bring up, that this is a bit unusual in terms of framing. Were one to consider Asaka and Rum different, the framing is different. There's Rum suspects and Asaka suspects, with some overlap.

If just looking at the suspects and their framing in the manga, it's Wakasa, Wakita, and Kuroda. Very clearly.

However, when separate and ignoring some of the other framing devices, we get this list:

Rum suspects- Kuroda, Wakita, Iori, Wakasa(?)
Asaka suspects- Mary, Wakasa, Iori

dccd wrote:The hand-panel is one thing that probably will never ever be solved.
But yeah, one can see it as a subtle hint on a 4th person being involved.
Especially the size of the panel - comparable to Wakitas and Kurodas - kinda favours this idea.
There you go.


Size of that panel permits an accurate scaling of text for that sort of phone application. Then it can be read even without the thought bubbles, dccd. I don't necessarily think it's a hint at a fourth person.

dccd wrote:
Interesting that, even after the blindman-case and tengu-case you still believe that Iori is part of the mainplot even
though there was not one single scene which indicated that.
If he´s not Rum but a Rum-suspect, then why didnt Gosho gave him some last-page-suspects-screen time?


I have to agree, though I wouldn't say it's necessarily a "suspect screen time" issue. Some of Gosho's mysteries don't frame the culprit as a major suspect, such as Vermouth being disguised as Araide.
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Re: Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

Postby Zerozaki4869 » December 8th, 2017, 4:42 am

Iori is more of an Asaka suspect than Rum suspect, but he fits the womanly man description while Rumi only gets fitted by Asaka(female)=Rum interpretation.

I think he's bluffing both the casual and the inquisitive readers. On one hand he's framing Wakasa as a contrived Rum suspects on the other hand he's framing her a Asaka suspect(for inquisitive readers).

Why he needs to do this, 1)Rumi's involvement kicks out Iori from both suspect list 2) Given the fact that Rum=Asaka would mean severe inconsistencies in Kohji case, dying message, Amanda's murder(?) Rum isn't Asaka. So technically Rumi's presence is freeing up the real Asaka suspect and the real Rum suspect. Iori has all skills that can make him a good bodyguard, plus a womanly face and slender figure. Makes him a good Asaka but for Rum the other Rum suspect who got freed by Rumi's involvement is probably the man seeing stuff in the panel. Wakita and Kuroda looks like they have just picked up their phones after hearing an alert while the person in the panel seems to scroll his phone.

I think ther's someone besides Kuroda, Wakita and Iori who is Rum and Iori is probably Asaka or an Asaka model. If we delete the existence of Rumi from the manga only these two hypotheses can remain.

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