Discussion thread: Detective Conan 981-983

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Re: Discussion thread: Detective Conan 981-983

Postby eros1607 » December 30th, 2016, 6:56 am

I just want to list the intelligent women in DC to see how unlucky they are in romance. Sure there are some examples of being happy (like Miwako or Yukiko although they nowhere near Masumi or Momiji level) but they are the minority. I don't consider Yui's situation better than anyone I've listed. She is a widow, losing a husband is enough of a pain for her for the rest of her entire life, no matter she will be with Kansuke or not.
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Postby k11chi » December 30th, 2016, 8:05 am

Ran finally confessed to Kazuha. It was long time coming.

Despite being such a small detail, the hint about how they were siblings from different mothers was pretty clever. It's a pretty impressive showing of thinking outside the box I guess.
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Postby ShadowNeo » December 30th, 2016, 10:12 am

I am really confused by that whole "Ran confessing to Kazuha" thing.. Did she say that just to imitate Heiji or what kind of way do I have to interpret that whole scene? I don't know why but I was never as confused before x.x! Please help.
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Postby PirateKing » December 30th, 2016, 1:43 pm

ShadowNeo wrote:I am really confused by that whole "Ran confessing to Kazuha" thing.. Did she say that just to imitate Heiji or what kind of way do I have to interpret that whole scene? I don't know why but I was never as confused before x.x! Please help.


Yes, she confessed to Kazuha like how she thought Heiji would have done it, as a sort of "preparation" for when it really happens. Ran uses kansai-ben and even 'Wai' as the pronoun since it's an old Osakan word since she's supposed to be sounding like Heiji. Kazuha later tells her that Heiji wouldn't use 'Wai' (possibly because it's old-fashioned).
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Postby MeiTanteixX » December 30th, 2016, 2:54 pm

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ShadowNeo wrote:I am really confused by that whole "Ran confessing to Kazuha" thing.. Did she say that just to imitate Heiji or what kind of way do I have to interpret that whole scene? I don't know why but I was never as confused before x.x! Please help.


Yes, she confessed to Kazuha like how she thought Heiji would have done it, as a sort of "preparation" for when it really happens. Ran uses kansai-ben and even 'Wai' as the pronoun since it's an old Osakan word since she's supposed to be sounding like Heiji. Kazuha later tells her that Heiji wouldn't use 'Wai' (possibly because it's old-fashioned).

It was more of a consolation because he did not show up. Although Kazuha was nervous, she was still planning on confessing to him(hence why Ran said "too").
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Re: Discussion thread: Detective Conan 981-983

Postby MrDetective » December 31st, 2016, 6:52 am

are we really sure Gosho didn't introduce Momiji solely for the purpose of setting up movie 21 ?

because once the movie is out I find it hard to imagine she will have a role beyond that of the film
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Postby k11chi » December 31st, 2016, 7:00 am

That depends on what we see of her in the film. If she's just going to be there and we actually see her family and the butler in action in the movie at first and everything then I can't see her staying around for long after that. But if we get to see things like that in the manga then it's a different story.
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Postby Nemomon » December 31st, 2016, 8:55 am

I think a better question is whether we really want her to stay, or we want her to go away.
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Postby eros1607 » December 31st, 2016, 10:37 am

None of the question will matter with Gosho though. He said that he never listen to criticism online whatsoever. I have a feeling that this girl will be Masumi 2.0 and we will not only have love triangle but also another family drama which may or may not advance the plot.
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Postby DCUniverseAficionado » January 2nd, 2017, 5:59 am

MrDetective wrote:are we really sure Gosho didn't introduce Momiji solely for the purpose of setting up movie 21 ?

because once the movie is out I find it hard to imagine she will have a role beyond that of the film


There's no point of her being in the manga if she's just going to appear in Movie 21, then vanish—that'd be like Curaçao from Movie 20 being introduced in 2015, then never appearing again, after April 2016, and her never being referenced again.

The movies aren't canon—Gosho will have to make a manga case (or series of cases) about Momiji coming in during a Heiji and Kazuha case and doing her thing. Hopefully, she'll be involved in the Rum arc plot, in some way, especially when we're this close to File 1000, in an arc about the BO's #2. We probably won't get File 1000 until May or June, so we have a chance to see her again, in a manga case, before or around File 1000.
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Postby Kor » January 2nd, 2017, 7:06 am

DCUniverseAficionado wrote:The movies aren't canon—Gosho will have to make a manga case (or series of cases) about Momiji coming in during a Heiji and Kazuha case and doing her thing. Hopefully, she'll be involved in the Rum arc plot, in some way, especially when we're this close to File 1000, in an arc about the BO's #2. We probably won't get File 1000 until May or June, so we have a chance to see her again, in a manga case, before or around File 1000.


If you think Gosho can't just introduce this one character and "story thread" in the manga and then have it resolved in the movie, well... okay, but there isn't an established rule against it ever happening. For all intent and purpose, Gosho can cross platforms and use his manga to set up (and advertise) a story that will be resolved in the film. Just because he has never technically done so doesn't necessarily mean he never will.
And I'm not saying that this is going to be the case this time around (maybe it will, maybe it won't. I certainly don't see a real reason to keep such characters around when their supposed function is for a nonsensical love rival thing to take place). I'm just saying that there's no rule against Gosho doing anything of that kind.
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Re: Discussion thread: Detective Conan 981-983

Postby MeiTanteixX » January 2nd, 2017, 8:50 am

Kor wrote:
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:The movies aren't canon—Gosho will have to make a manga case (or series of cases) about Momiji coming in during a Heiji and Kazuha case and doing her thing. Hopefully, she'll be involved in the Rum arc plot, in some way, especially when we're this close to File 1000, in an arc about the BO's #2. We probably won't get File 1000 until May or June, so we have a chance to see her again, in a manga case, before or around File 1000.


If you think Gosho can't just introduce this one character and "story thread" in the manga and then have it resolved in the movie, well... okay, but there isn't an established rule against it ever happening. For all intent and purpose, Gosho can cross platforms and use his manga to set up (and advertise) a story that will be resolved in the film. Just because he has never technically done so doesn't necessarily mean he never will.
And I'm not saying that this is going to be the case this time around (maybe it will, maybe it won't. I certainly don't see a real reason to keep such characters around when their supposed function is for a nonsensical love rival thing to take place). I'm just saying that there's no rule against Gosho doing anything of that kind.

Just because it's not a rule set in stone doesn't mean that we should discredit any pattern that Gosho has followed. I'd say it's far more likely that her story won't end in M21(or at least won't officially end outside of the manga).
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Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
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Re: Discussion thread: Detective Conan 981-983

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » January 2nd, 2017, 5:59 pm

Kor wrote:
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:The movies aren't canon—Gosho will have to make a manga case (or series of cases) about Momiji coming in during a Heiji and Kazuha case and doing her thing. Hopefully, she'll be involved in the Rum arc plot, in some way, especially when we're this close to File 1000, in an arc about the BO's #2. We probably won't get File 1000 until May or June, so we have a chance to see her again, in a manga case, before or around File 1000.


If you think Gosho can't just introduce this one character and "story thread" in the manga and then have it resolved in the movie, well... okay, but there isn't an established rule against it ever happening. For all intent and purpose, Gosho can cross platforms and use his manga to set up (and advertise) a story that will be resolved in the film. Just because he has never technically done so doesn't necessarily mean he never will.
And I'm not saying that this is going to be the case this time around (maybe it will, maybe it won't. I certainly don't see a real reason to keep such characters around when their supposed function is for a nonsensical love rival thing to take place). I'm just saying that there's no rule against Gosho doing anything of that kind.


Sure, he could totally do it. But if he does, he'll have introduced two characters into the manga canon just for what they'll go on to do in a non-canon movie.
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Postby Antiyonder » January 3rd, 2017, 1:31 am

eros1607 wrote:
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so i don;t think gosho will add a love interest and a butler for No reason.


Gosho's schtick has been adding characters (especially love interests) for no real reason for over 2 decades, so...


I think money is a pretty big (and "legit") reason for Gosho to do that.


I don't know. I mean if you're talking about ways to provide more stories in order to pad out the manga, there are other ways to do so such as development between characters that are already present.
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Postby Jesse Sravya » January 4th, 2017, 10:28 am

When is the next issue releasing? Hasn't it been a very long time since the previous release?

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