Discussion thread: Detective Conan 981-983

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Re: Discussion thread: Detective Conan 981-98X

Postby eros1607 » December 22nd, 2016, 10:10 am

Kor wrote:
Tantei San wrote:
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so i don;t think gosho will add a love interest and a butler for No reason.


Gosho's schtick has been adding characters (especially love interests) for no real reason for over 2 decades, so...


I think money is a pretty big (and "legit") reason for Gosho to do that.
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Re: Discussion thread: Detective Conan 981-98X

Postby Spimer » December 22nd, 2016, 10:12 am

@eros1607:
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Actually, he didn't truly solve the whole case. Momiji just heard a sound that was a hint of the trick and told her butler to tell it in the form of a poem, maybe as a test of wits aimed at Heiji. The butlet did hear the sound too but didn't pay much attention to it, it'd seem.

Anyways, we've only seen bits and pieces of the file so I'd wait for more info from the text spoilers.
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Re: Discussion thread: Detective Conan 981-98X

Postby k11chi » December 22nd, 2016, 10:24 am

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Holy crap finally something cool to expect from Heiji cases again I hope this guy will be an antagonist for him and Conan to defeat while solving a case. This guy had a complete transformation there.

This is definitely not a bad move by Gosho. You would expect him to have Heiji and Conan go to somewhere and solve a case and Heiji confesses to Kazuha or something but adding pieces like these makes it alot more interesting.
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Postby ATEM » December 22nd, 2016, 12:57 pm

Absenta wrote:This is terrible....

Movie 21 service, too bad.

Gosho bugs me seriously :-\

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after conan comparing her to holmes I doubt this to be for movie 21 only but even if it's interesting to have such a holmes like female character as sera came out to be a bit far behind our detectives
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Re: Discussion thread: Detective Conan 981-98X

Postby Wakarimashita » December 22nd, 2016, 2:28 pm

eros1607 wrote:
Kor wrote:
Tantei San wrote:
Spoiler:
so i don;t think gosho will add a love interest and a butler for No reason.


Gosho's schtick has been adding characters (especially love interests) for no real reason for over 2 decades, so...


I think money is a pretty big (and "legit") reason for Gosho to do that.


Gosho has more than enough money. Editorial and public pressure are probably the main reasons. Just a reminder that when he was in Singapore people in the audience were sad when he joked about the series being at its climax but rejoiced when he joked about going as long as Kochikame.
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Re: Discussion thread: Detective Conan 981-98X

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » December 22nd, 2016, 3:54 pm

eros1607 wrote:
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Is it necessary for her to have one hell of a butler who can solve case faster than 3 detectives?


Spoiler:
That's not him who's that smart. Shinichi/Conan realized someone was giving him the hint through the earpiece, then compared that someone to Holmes. So that's Momiji who Shinichi/Conan is comparing to Holmes.


Absenta wrote:This is terrible....

Movie 21 service, too bad.

Gosho bugs me seriously :-\


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Except that Gosho's not building up for just a non-canon movie—if Momiji and Muga are in the manga, they're going to continue to appear in the manga, not just disappear after Movie 21 comes out. In all probability, there's going to be a manga case with Momiji and Muga in 2017.


Wakarimashita wrote:...in Singapore people in the audience were sad when he joked about the series being at its climax...


???

I agree he was joking about DC going to 200 Volumes, but about it ending?... I have to disagree.
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Re: Discussion thread: Detective Conan 981-98X

Postby Amuro321 » December 22nd, 2016, 4:29 pm

So when the case is solved now and there is still gonna be another file then the next file should be 100% only plot. I hope it will be about Amuro like goshi mentioned in the interview.
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Postby Serinox » December 22nd, 2016, 4:42 pm

Or the next file is going to be a new case, which seems more likely.
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Postby ChappiePete » December 22nd, 2016, 4:52 pm

Then what was the point in Amuro being there this time then? He's usually just there for the plot...
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Re: Discussion thread: Detective Conan 981-98X

Postby k11chi » December 22nd, 2016, 5:02 pm

ChappiePete wrote:Then what was the point in Amuro being there this time then? He's usually just there for the plot...

Because the setting was the cafe obviously ??? This isn't the first time he's been in a case that includes Poirot...
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Re: Discussion thread: Detective Conan 981-98X

Postby eros1607 » December 22nd, 2016, 8:31 pm

At least in those cases, even without plot elements he had character development. We always learned something new from him. His deduction abilities, his unlocking skills, his martial arts, his driving skills, his skills in playing mind games... Everytime, Amuro amused readers by something interesting. In this case, besides knowing about the incidents at Wakita sushi restaurant, he is just there to solve case, which is a bit unnecessary because there are already Conan and Heiji there. When I wandered aroung manga sites, everyone is so hyped about the appearance of Amuro in this case, much more than Heiji. Readers are hyped when Gosho said that he will write more about Amuro and in this case he appears as a borderline cameo. We don't know when Amuro will appear again. especially with more and more breaks recently so his appearance in this case is a bit disappoiting.
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Re: Discussion thread: Detective Conan 981-98X

Postby k11chi » December 22nd, 2016, 9:42 pm

And in this case he didn't beat someone up physically but was the one to notice that the Watson was trying to leave the scene, and that he didn't allow Conan to talk to Heiji about him.

Hopefully people will shut up more about "I read Gosho say this and that, so..." because now Gosho managed to trick everyone away from thinking about the Momiji subplot which seems to be building up to be a case in of itself.
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Re: Discussion thread: Detective Conan 981-98X

Postby eros1607 » December 22nd, 2016, 10:33 pm

Those things Amuro did were not that interesting. Heiji and Conan may notice as well. And covering secret identity has been a thing among DC universe. And Amuro had a reasonable reason to do that. He is a secret police so hiding his identity is just a natural thing for him to do. Has he ever discussed with Conan about his job?

And what is the point saying we shouldn't take Gosho statement seriously? Should we believe that BO boss had appeared before with full name? Rum is a person, not a 3-member team? Akaia and Akemi are cousin? Agasa/Mori/Yusaku is not BO Boss? Then every hints Gosho gave us should be taken as no more than jokes. Theories will crash, plot become unpredictable just because the author mislead us, not because unexpected development, plot-twist come just for the sake of it. That's not how author-reader interaction should be. That's not how a piece of fiction should be.
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Re: Discussion thread: Detective Conan 981-98X

Postby k11chi » December 22nd, 2016, 10:50 pm

Gosho tends to be more vocal than your average author but if it's not in any of his works then it's still just flapping his mouth talking about ideas. That's just common sense... Also trailers and game developers lie or leave out things all the time...
Anyway considering how he's been doing it up till now he will find a place to add those things into, nothing new.
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Re: Discussion thread: Detective Conan 981-98X

Postby eros1607 » December 22nd, 2016, 11:06 pm

Because everyone else lie, it's no harm if you also lie, right? A lie is a lie no matter what, who told it is irrelevant. I don't appreciate lying to readers/audiences just to get them into your work. And not because Gosho has been misleading us since forever, we should ignore him if he continue doing so.

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