Discussion thread: Detective Conan 972-974

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FILE972 さざ波の邂逅
★波のさざめきと共に呼び起こされたコナンの
  過去の記憶――――幼き日の新一と蘭、世良…
  遠いあの日、海辺で生じた出会いの真相とは――!?

10年前、とあるビーチ
パラソルの下で横になる秀一に、秀吉(しゅうきち)が妹・真純を会わせた
少し前に秀一は母・メアリーと喧嘩になり、目に傷を負った
メアリーは夫の遺したメールに従い、日本で潜むはずだったが
秀一はFBIに入り父が遭った事件の真相を探るべく米国籍を取った

……という事情を知らない真純は、なんとかして秀一の笑顔が見たいと
色々いたずらを仕掛けるが秀一は笑わず
終いにはフライドポテトを鼻に突っ込んで秀一にもメアリーにも叱られた
メアリーが真純の鼻の下についた塩を拭き取る際
フライドポテトを「チップス」と言ったのを有希子に聞かれた
一般人にすらお里が知られるくらいなので安全な国などない、
だったらこっちの素性がバレる前に相手を地獄に落とす、と
秀一がメアリーに言いかけると
新一「バレバレだよ! お兄さんの正体がピエロだって事はな!!」
突然現れて何言ってんだこの子は状態だが
新一は秀一の左手首の痣がアコーディオンのベルト痕
左目の傷跡が涙化粧の跡(ただのクラウンは涙を描かない)だと言った
もちろん全くの見当はずれ、でも真純は秀一の笑顔を見られた

秀一に何者か聞かれ、新一が名前とホームズの弟子を名乗ると
蘭が新一を捜しに来た
直後にガラの悪そうな男3人が現れ
海の家で焼そばにハエが入ってたと因縁吹っかけようとして
新一に邪魔されたのを逆恨み
新一をぶん殴ろうとして、逆に秀一の寸止め目つぶしで追い返された
秀吉が蘭たちに真純の相手をしてほしいと頼んだところ

ビーチのそばの崖から、車が海へダイブした
■次号、赤井と幼き新一が事件に挑む!!



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File 972: Encounter with ripples

Cover text: Conan's memories which have been awakened along with the sound of ripples... Young Shinichi, Ran and Sera... What is the truth of that encounter in the sea which happened long ago?

10 years ago: a beach somewhere

Shuuichi, lying under a parasol, is visited by Shuukichi and Masumi. Shuuichi has had a brawl with Mary, his mother, and has a wound on one eye

Mary was supposed to do what an email her husband left behind (the wording implies the husband is dead or missing): lie low in Japan

But Shuuichi has obtained US nationality to enter the FBI and investigate the truth of the case his father stumbled upon

Masumi doesn't know any of that and wants to make Shuuichi smile: she tries to do all kind of pranks but Shuuichi doesn't react

In the end she tries stuffing french fries into his nose's nostrils and gets scolded by both Shuuichi and Mary

When Mary removes the salt below Masumi's nose she says "chips" aloud and Yuriko overhears her

Shuichi then tells Mary than when you're so famous that everyone knows you there's no safe country to be at and it's better to beat the opponent before your true colors are revealed...

... And Shinichi suddenly shows up there and says "It's so obvious! Bro, you're a clown!"

Both son and mother wonder what he's talking about and Shinichi says that Shuuichi has a mark on his left wrist and it's an accordion belt mark and that the left eye's wound is make-up remains (a mere clown doesn't cry or so he says): all of Shinichi's "deductions" are totally off the mark but Shuuichi smiles and Masumi sees that smile

Shuuichi asks him who he is and Shinichi introduces himself as well as saying he's "Holmes' apprentice": Ran comes to search for him

3 bad-looking men show up on the area: they were trying to get a free yakisoba meal at the sea-house by making up the lie that there flies on the yakisoba but Shinichi stopped them so they've got an unjustified ressenment with him

They try to beat Shinichi up but Shuuichi beats them up with his blinding sundome (a variant of karate) and drives them off: Shuukichi then asks them to play with Masumi

But then they all see how a car falls from a nearby cliff into the sea...

Side-note: "Next number: Akai and young Shinichi take on a case!"
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Postby ChappiePete » September 10th, 2016, 6:32 am

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Interesting development. This has proven that Shuukichi is the middle brother I believe. Also this will be the first time chronologically we see Akai solve a case (mostly by himself as Shinichi didn't solve one until on the plane but he can get experience from this Ha) . This is gonna be good.
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Postby AICHAN » September 10th, 2016, 6:47 am

Yeah the case looks nice...I can't wait to see the file^^
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Postby Wakarimashita » September 10th, 2016, 6:57 am

I'm sorry but this whole storyline around the Akai family feels more and more like it was pulled out of Gosho' ass. :-X

Looking forward to the case with the car falling from the cliff. Seems like a nice change. :)
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Postby DCUniverseAficionado » September 10th, 2016, 9:32 am

Wakarimashita wrote:Looking forward to the case with the car falling from the cliff. Seems like a nice change. :)


Yeah, we haven't seen the likes of this since the Holmes Lovers case (117–121/57–58), Sonoko's Dangerous Summer Story (219–221/153–154), and that flashback in Dual Mysteries on a Full Moon Night (429–434/345). (At least, those are all the cases with cars falling off cliffs that I can recall, at the moment)

Spimer wrote:Translation of text spoilers:

Spoiler:
File 972: Encounter with ripples

Cover text: Conan's memories which have been awakened along with the sound of ripples... Young Shinichi, Ran and Sera... What is the truth of that encounter in the sea which happened long ago?

10 years ago: a beach somewhere

Shuuichi, lying under a parasol, is visited by Shuukichi and Masumi. Shuuichi has had a brawl with Mary, his mother, and has a wound on one eye

Mary was supposed to do what an email her husband left behind (the wording implies the husband is dead or missing): lie low in Japan

But Shuuichi has obtained US nationality to enter the FBI and investigate the truth of the case his father stumbled upon

Masumi doesn't know any of that and wants to make Shuuichi smile: she tries to do all kind of pranks but Shuuichi doesn't react

In the end she tries stuffing french fries into his nose's nostrils and gets scolded by both Shuuichi and Mary

When Mary removes the salt below Masumi's nose she says "chips" aloud and Yuriko overhears her

Shuichi then tells Mary than when you're so famous that everyone knows you there's no safe country to be at and it's better to beat the opponent before your true colors are revealed...

... And Shinichi suddenly shows up there and says "It's so obvious! Bro, you're a clown!"

Both son and mother wonder what he's talking about and Shinichi says that Shuuichi has a mark on his left wrist and it's an accordion belt mark and that the left eye's wound is make-up remains (a mere clown doesn't cry or so he says): all of Shinichi's "deductions" are totally off the mark but Shuuichi smiles and Masumi sees that smile

Shuuichi asks him who he is and Shinichi introduces himself as well as saying he's "Holmes' apprentice": Ran comes to search for him

3 bad-looking men show up on the area: they were trying to get a free yakisoba meal at the sea-house by making up the lie that there flies on the yakisoba but Shinichi stopped them so they've got an unjustified ressenment with him

They try to beat Shinichi up but Shuuichi beats them up with his blinding sundome (a variant of karate) and drives them off: Shuukichi then asks them to play with Masumi

But then they all see how a car falls from a nearby cliff into the sea...

Side-note: "Next number: Akai and young Shinichi take on a case!"


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Geez... I honestly didn't expect that.

An email that is how old, I wonder... years (as in, he apparently died years ago), or very recently (as in, he apparently died days to months before this)?

Oh? Mary is famous? Or is this just Shuichi talking about the reason his dad wanted them to hide (the BO, in all likelihood), saying that she might as well be really famous if this threat after them (as in, the BO could find them really easily)?

I wonder if Shuichi is going to remember that the boy he met, here, was Shinichi/Conan. Maybe he has already remembered and we just don't know (maybe he started to recall when he and Shinichi/Conan first began interacting in Clash of Red and Black (585–590 and 595–609/491–504), and then it took a step further with the events of Yusaku Kudo's Cold Case (812–814/690–691).

Those three are undoubtedly involved in this... and Shuichi's being quite subtle, here... ::)

I don't think this'll be a 3 File case, but I won't be completely shocked if it turns out to be just that.
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Postby jimmy_kud0_tv2 » September 10th, 2016, 9:45 am

soooo its time to tally up the things that have been hinted to us about this
(I'm sure I missed a few though, don't have time at the moment to go look them all up)
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cell phones capable of text / email in a flashback
Masumi's swimsuit (although since this this just a text reveal, I guess we'll see in a day or two)
Mary's breasts (although since this this just a text reveal, I guess we'll see in a day or two)
Middle Bro
Shuuichi getting US citizenship to go abroad to the FBI
The person who never smiled
Masumi being a bad kid
Shinichi being a Holmes fan
Ran being present


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things left to go
The sounds of waves as Masumi runs away from Ran, showing her back
some mention or showing of Masumi's tooth when she smiles
Shinichi performing some form of magic to earn a nickname

potential of Shuuichi seeing Ran crying for the X'th time
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Postby k11chi » September 10th, 2016, 10:02 am

jimmy_kud0_tv2 wrote:soooo its time to tally up the things that have been hinted to us about this
(I'm sure I missed a few though, don't have time at the moment to go look them all up)
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cell phones capable of text / email in a flashback
Masumi's swimsuit (although since this this just a text reveal, I guess we'll see in a day or two)
Mary's breasts (although since this this just a text reveal, I guess we'll see in a day or two)
Middle Bro
Shuuichi getting US citizenship to go abroad to the FBI
The person who never smiled
Masumi being a bad kid
Shinichi being a Holmes fan
Ran being present


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things left to go
The sounds of waves as Masumi runs away from Ran, showing her back
some mention or showing of Masumi's tooth when she smiles
Shinichi performing some form of magic to earn a nickname

potential of Shuuichi seeing Ran crying for the X'th time

Ah yes we need to prioritize these things.
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Postby rfsuki » September 10th, 2016, 11:40 am

Spoiler:
How about the wound on Shuuichi's eye and the mark/bruise on his left wrist (the word 痣-aza means both birthmark and bruise)? Did Mary beat him when they were having a quarrel or what? What do you guys think?


About Masumi's calling Shinichi a wizard:
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Judging from the text spoilers, I guess that Masumi called Shinichi a wizard because Shinichi could make Shuuichi smile while she tried her best but still couldn't. I can be wrong though.


Can't wait for the raws to come out.

@Spimer:
Spoiler:
the person who heard the word "chips" should be Yukiko (Shinichi's mom), not Yuriko right? I think it' s just a typing mistake

And Masumi stuffed french fries into her own nostrils, not Shuuchi's , right? Because Mary wiped the salt of Masumi'nose after that.

Thank you very much for your super quick translations.
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Postby Swagnarok » September 10th, 2016, 11:42 am

"You always seem to be crying."

Whenever Shuichi said this to Ran in 309, was it because he had seen her in a case prior to New York?
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Postby Aya-TheSwiftie » September 10th, 2016, 2:25 pm

Translation of text spoilers (Edited by YunnieChan) :

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Detective Conan File 972 Spoiler Text

Translated by : Yunnie Chan​​​​​​​​
(Thank you Yunnie Chan​​​​​​​​ for the correction!)

FILE 972 : A sudden meeting near ripples.

Cover : Conan’s memories of the past awoken by the sound of waves… Small Shinichi and Ran with Sera… That day, long time ago, and the truth of the encounter happened at the seaside?!..


10 years ago, on some beach.

Shukichi□ brings his little sister, Masumi, to Shuichi○, who is resting under the parasol. Shuichi○ had a fight with his mother, Mary, some time ago and wounded his eye. Mary, following her husband’s text message, was supposed to lay low in Japan, but Shuichi○ entered FBI and got US nationality in order to find the truth about the case his father encountered.

… Masumi doesn't know anything about it, and wants to make Shuichi○ smile no matter what. She tries a lot of tricks and jokes but Shuichi○ doesn’t smile. In the end she tried putting french fries in her nose, but both Shuichi○ and Mary scolded her.

While Mary was wiping the salt left under Masumi’s nose, she (Mary) called french fries ‘chips’ and Yukiko heard that.

Shuichi○ starts to tell Mary that no country would be safe for them if she’ll continue to reveal her nationality to everyone (by speech habits), thus they need to attack the opponent before they reveal her origin, but…

Shinichi◇ suddenly appears and tells [That’s obvious! Onii-san is Pierrot! **clown]

Then Shinichi◇ makes deductions, such as Shuichi○’s left wrist’s bruise is a trace of accordion belt and his left eye’s scar is what’s left of crying make up (ordinary clowns don’t draw tears), which are obviously not true, but Masumi sees Shuichi○’s smile.

Shuichi○ asks Shinichi◇ who's he, Shinichi◇ calls himself as a Holmes Apprentice and then cames Ran, who was searching for him.

Right after that 3 bad looking men appear, and tried to receive a compensation by lying there’s a fly in their yakisoba, but Shinichi◇ intervened, making them angry on him.

At the moment when they try to punch Shinichi◇, Shuichi○ stops them with thumbing and sets them away.

Then Shukichi□ asks Ran and Shinichi◇ to meet Masumi. And at that moment….

A car falls in the sea from the nearby cliff.

Slide Note : Next issue, Akai and small Shinichi put up with a case!



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Re: Discussion thread: Detective Conan 972-97X

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » September 10th, 2016, 2:30 pm

Swagnarok wrote:"You always seem to be crying."

Whenever Shuichi said this to Ran in 309, was it because he had seen her in a case prior to New York?


We have no idea if Shuichi remembers this encounter. He might've already remembered (at least, in terms of Shinichi Kudo looking exactly like Conan Edogawa, between Clash of Red and Black (File 585–File 590 and File 595–File 609/Episode 491–Episode 504), and during or any time after Yusaku Kudo's Cold Case (File 812–File 814/Episode 690–Episode 691)).

Before interacting with Shinichi/Conan, Shuichi encountered and interacted with Ran, more, so I'd say it's more likely he remembered Ran, first, then he remembered Shinichi.
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Re: Discussion thread: Detective Conan 972-97X

Postby Spimer » September 10th, 2016, 2:33 pm

YuunieChan and you are in the mark:

I admit I got a couple mistakes myself as well and I thought that "piero" always meant "clown", didn't know about "pierrot".

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Postby wrd » September 10th, 2016, 2:47 pm

So shuichi got the US nationality in order to be able to enter the FBI (as in he didn't join them yet by that time)? Or was he with the FBI already?
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Postby Aya-TheSwiftie » September 10th, 2016, 3:57 pm

Spimer wrote:YuunieChan and you are in the mark:

I admit I got a couple mistakes myself as well and I thought that "piero" always meant "clown", didn't know about "pierrot".

Good job!

No problem

About the case....
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Conan proclaimed himself as Holmes' apprentice in London, remember that Tennis Match.
so i guess Sera saw him on TV and thought he was Shinichi, who had gotten shrunk.
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Postby k11chi » September 10th, 2016, 4:01 pm

wrd wrote:So shuichi got the US nationality in order to be able to enter the FBI (as in he didn't join them yet by that time)? Or was he with the FBI already?

I'm not sure it was pointed out but Sera said to be able to get the nationality itself is hard when she told them about Shuuichi being an FBI, so they must be connected.
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