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Kohji's Death, the Akai Middle Brother

Postby Swagnarok » July 16th, 2016, 9:05 pm

First, I would like to apologise for creating two threads in one day on an otherwise slow forum like this one. In short, I am a huge Detective Conan fan and I joined this forum because I have a lot of DC theories that I'd like to discuss with fellow fans. I have so many conspiracy theories, in fact, that I should probably should've given myself the username Alex Jones.
Second, I feel the need to warn you that I have not read the Manga, and my memory of anime episodes is not perfect. In the anime I am currently on Episode 741, having started watching the series from Episode 1 in early 2015, but I tend to look ahead a lot using the "detectiveconanworld" Wiki site. As such, I am aware of the existence of characters such as Mary, Kohji Haneda, Amanda Hughes, and ASAKA.
Third, this theory is not original to this forum board. I have raised a less extensive version of this theory in one of my DC fanfics. (Note: I have an account by this same username on fanfiction.net, as a bit of shameless advertising)

Anyway, this thread is about my theory on what happened to Kohji Haneda, and by extension Shuichi Akai and Masumi Sera. Here goes:
17 years ago Kohji Akai, who went by the professional alias Kohji Haneda, was a relatively famous Shogi player with a promising career ahead of him. He was about 21 years old or so. Anyways, he also had an interest in chess, and he heard about this big chess tournament in the United States. However, 21 year olds don't usually a have a lot of cash on hand. "Fortunately" for him, a rich American old lady named Amanda Hughes had heard about him and had taken an interest in his Shogi career. She wanted to meet him, so she sent him a letter/email (whatever was popular 17 years ago) and offered to pay for his trip. Kohji agreed to this.
Sometime prior to the trip Kohji stumbled upon something. He learned something that the Black Organisation couldn't afford for any outsider to know. They sent Rum to kill him, but the BO agent for whatever reason didn't immediately kill Kohji. Instead, he heard about Kohji's trip and decided to follow him to the United States. So, Kohji and Rum traveled to America on the same flight. Either during the flight or at some point after he landed, Kohji realised that Rum had followed him.
Anyways, after he landed in America he met Amanda Hughes and her Japanese-American bodyguard Asaka *Last Name* at the airport. They stayed at a hotel during Kohji's trip, since Amanda did not live in or near the city where the tournament was being held. During his stay with Amanda, Kohji noticed that a few things were...off about her. But he cast his suspicions aside and tried to enjoy himself the best he could while keeping an eye out for Rum.
After he took part in the tournament (and did very well), he returned to the hotel room with Amanda Hughes and Asaka, where the old lady revealed the terrifying truth: her dream was, in fact, to kill the world's best Shogi player. Asaka was, for whatever reason, complicit in her plot. So they tried to kill him, but he managed to overpower and restrain the two of them.
Immediately after this, Kohji realised something: Asaka had long hair and he didn't wear glasses, but other than that the two of them looked identical. So what he did was he shaved Asaka's head and he put his glasses on the man. Then he got a long-hair wig for himself. He hid somewhere and sure enough Rum burst into Kohji's apartment. He saw Amanda Hughes and a person who looked just like Kohji, so he killed them both and fled the scene. Then, Kohji came out of hiding and set up the "U MASCARA" dying message. Then he left the hotel disguised as Asaka and returned to Japan using Asaka's passport.
The "U MASCARA" message, which could be rearranged to read "ASACA RUM", was done to give the impression that in his dying moments Kohji thought Asaka was his killer. After all, Rum had long hair and he concealed his face as he committed his crime. Since that day, the Organisation gets antsy whenever it hears about any public developments involving the word "Asaca".

Anyways, for the next 17 years Kohji lived in hiding under the assumed name Shukichi Haneda. Somehow, by the time he was in his thirties he only looked like he was in his twenties. Either he constantly wore a disguise of some kind or perhaps he even ingested (and survived) APTX-4869. He would be 38 years old now, one year older than Yukiko Kudo is. Given this, he might've been a friend of hers, and she might have helped him start over with a new identity, being to him what Dr. Agasa is to Shinichi Kudo. At some point he came to date a young woman named Yumi Miyamoto, who never learned his true age or identity.
The case of the murder of "Kohji Haneda" was investigated by Kohji's father. It inspired Shuichi, who was already good with deductive reasoning, to join the FBI in order to track down the men who supposedly murdered his older brother.

The implications of this are clear: if Masumi Sera is the youngest Akai child, if she only had two siblings, if Kohji is one of these two siblings, and if Kohji is older than Shuichi, then one would naturally conclude that Shuichi Akai is the middle child. How can this be?
First of all, Sera said that the older brother is dead. We naturally assumed this to be Shuichi, but if Kohji was this older brother, Masumi would obviously "know" that he was dead.
Now, if Sera believes her older brother to be dead, but obviously not her middle brother, where does this leave Shuichi Akai? Well, Masumi saw Scar Akai in "Won't Forgive Even One Millimetre" and she had a surprised appearance.
One thing we must note is that Masumi is far removed from FBI operations, because aside from her father and brother she has no connection to the agency. If Shuichi died, she might not immediately know. Furthermore, the events of all 800+ episodes of the franchise take place within the span of a single year, which means 200 episodes would be equivalent to 3 months or less. She might not receive the news of Shuichi's supposed death within that time frame. Even if she did, however, it's ultimately irrelevant.
During the "Detective's Nocturne" case she was seen contacting somebody about the case, but it was not necessarily her middle brother. It could've been Mary or some other person. Anyhow, the enigmatic Middle Brother was not brought up until "Bathroom Where Ran Collapsed as Well".
During "Yusaku Kudo's Cold Case", Masumi met Subaru Okiya for the first time. Furthermore, she saw him while he was brushing his teeth, without the choke collar, that whole area of his body exposed. It is possible that, while not visible to the audience, Masumi recognised a birthmark on Shuichi by which she recognised him as Shuichi. There was certainly a surprised look on her face as she saw him. After this point she may have gotten into regular contact with Subaru/Shuichi, consulting him during tough cases. He may or may not know that she knows his identity, but nonetheless she refers to him as her "middle brother", because that's what he is if my theory's correct.

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Re: Kohji's Death, the Akai Middle Brother

Postby Kor » July 16th, 2016, 9:22 pm

Swagnarok wrote:First, I would like to apologise for creating two threads in one day on an otherwise slow forum like this one.


We don't really have a rule against creating two threads in one day so no need to apologize.
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Postby jimmy_kud0_tv2 » July 17th, 2016, 12:21 am

Despite my liking the idea that Masumi is in contact with Shuuichi rather than Shuukichi, its hard to ignore the phone conversation stuff and the descriptions that went on in the more recent Ramen shop case. What do you think of those?

I know you mentioned that you don't read the manga, the episodes based on that case will air July 30th and August 6th in Japan, you could also read chapters 928-930 or the wiki page for Volume 88.
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Postby Chekhov MacGuffin » July 17th, 2016, 1:56 am

There is a lot of speculation about potential events going on in this theory that we don't have any evidence for, so I don't think I can fully address all the ideas.

My beef with this idea is the contrast between Amanda's murder and Kohji's. Amanda's murder was clean, well prepared, and per the BO modus as described by Ai, while Kohji's murder was sloppy, messy, and left behind clues including a critical dying message which was discovered. That suggests Amanda's death was well planned in advanced, but Kohji's was unanticipated, so it was done on the fly resulting in many mistakes. That would rule out any story that had Asaka planning to kill Kohji in advance. Instead, Asaka must have decided to assassinate Kohji on the spot because he became a witness to something (probably where Kohji heard "Rum" from.) Because it was rushed, things didn't go so well, resulting in the disastrous crime scene and the overlooked dying message.

I'm not too keen on the idea of Shuukichi being the oldest brother given what Masumi has said so far about her family. I'd have to quote mine to be sure, but I don't think Shuuichi could be anyone but the eldest brother. If I remember correctly, Masumi was pretty descriptive about martial arts videos her eldest brother sent and such, and it matches with Shuuichi/Okiya's behavior.

I also think the idea of Shuukichi being Haneda Kohji and Asaka is pushing it, but I can't refute the idea for lack of evidence.
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Postby Swagnarok » July 17th, 2016, 4:34 pm

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:There is a lot of speculation about potential events going on in this theory that we don't have any evidence for, so I don't think I can fully address all the ideas.

My beef with this idea is the contrast between Amanda's murder and Kohji's. Amanda's murder was clean, well prepared, and per the BO modus as described by Ai, while Kohji's murder was sloppy, messy, and left behind clues including a critical dying message which was discovered. That suggests Amanda's death was well planned in advanced, but Kohji's was unanticipated, so it was done on the fly resulting in many mistakes. That would rule out any story that had Asaka planning to kill Kohji in advance. Instead, Asaka must have decided to assassinate Kohji on the spot because he became a witness to something (probably where Kohji heard "Rum" from.) Because it was rushed, things didn't go so well, resulting in the disastrous crime scene and the overlooked dying message.

I'm not too keen on the idea of Shuukichi being the oldest brother given what Masumi has said so far about her family. I'd have to quote mine to be sure, but I don't think Shuuichi could be anyone but the eldest brother. If I remember correctly, Masumi was pretty descriptive about martial arts videos her eldest brother sent and such, and it matches with Shuuichi/Okiya's behavior.

I also think the idea of Shuukichi being Haneda Kohji and Asaka is pushing it, but I can't refute the idea for lack of evidence.


Amanda Hughes was a feeble old lady. Furthermore, she could've been killed any old way. Kohji and Asaka were both young men in their prime. Given this, Rum probably could've killed Amanda with little resistance, whereas Kohji/Asaka would put up much more of a fight. Furthermore, Kohji was explicitly killed by APTX-4869 provided that the Kohji Haneda on Haibara's list wasn't somebody else, meaning Rum had to force a pill into his mouth and then add water (if Gin's first encounter with Shinichi was any indication). Rum, who would have 17 fewer years of experience, would obviously have a more difficult time with Kohji/Asaka, which would result in a sloppy crime scene.
I actually did peek ahead one time to the episode where Masumi referenced the Jeet Kune Do videos, but I don't remember exactly what was said there. Kohji obviously couldn't have sent the videos to Masumi if he had "been dead" for 17 years (approximately Masumi's age), but is it confirmed that the person who sent the videos to her was the oldest brother?

Again, I'm not trying to be contrary. I'm simply attempting to defend this theory with whatever evidence is available.
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Re: Kohji's Death, the Akai Middle Brother

Postby KaitoRizu » July 17th, 2016, 5:25 pm

I don't think that your theory works well enough with the information we have in the manga...

we don't have enough info to use as an evidence or proof even in the manga to prove you wrong as Chekhov said but if you really want to make a theory I think you should at least read the manga first or wait for the episodes and maybe then you'll see what points might not fit... I don't think that depending only on an article you've read from is good enough to make theories...
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Postby Spimer » July 17th, 2016, 5:56 pm

According to DC Wiki Akai's the one who sent Sera the Jeet Kee Duno videos when she was in elementary school which must be at the earliest 6-7 years ago.

I also remember seeing that in the anime version the videos showed Akai with his cap on and doing JKD. In file 859 she mentioned that it was Akai, her eldest brother.

I think Sera has heard of Kouji but never's meet him. He was killed 17 years ago and she'd be a newborn by then, anyway.

I agree that Rum/Asaka's target back on that day was Amanda yet he was witnessed by Kouji: there was a fight or something like that and Rum/Asaka managed to kill him using APTX 4869 to then leave the place in a rush.

Gin also mentioned that Rum "screwed up" on his job 17 years ago which basically confirms unplanned things happened back then and Rum had to somehow handle things.

Also, Kaito Rizu makes a good point. I also think that you should get up to date with the manga to grasp all happenings, statements and facts.
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Postby jimmy_kud0_tv2 » July 17th, 2016, 10:25 pm

Swagnarok wrote:Kohji and Asaka were both young men in their prime.

I actually did peek ahead one time to the episode where Masumi referenced the Jeet Kune Do videos, but I don't remember exactly what was said there. Kohji obviously couldn't have sent the videos to Masumi if he had "been dead" for 17 years (approximately Masumi's age), but is it confirmed that the person who sent the videos to her was the oldest brother?


Asaka's age and gender have not been confirmed anywhere. Conan's most recent theory seems to be that Asaka could be a woman. He also theorizes that Mary could have been Asaka (ch953 of the manga), although he could be wrong like back in the Kir arc, it does bring in questions.

Masumi stated that she wears her hat to be like her Oldest brother. She has also stated that her Oldest brother is the one that sent her the Jeet Kune Do tapes. On the tapes in the flashback it is show that someone wearing a hat similar to hers is practicing. In addition, Vermouth, when disguising as Akai on the Mystery Train, wore a similar hat. Also the real Akai borrowed Masumi's hat to confront Bourbon through the smoke.
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Postby MoonRaven » September 13th, 2016, 1:27 pm

I'm currently wondering who's the person uploading the information of Kohji's death on the Internet over and over again.
I'm thinking that maybe
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MoonRaven wrote:I'm currently wondering who's the person uploading the information of Kohji's death on the Internet over and over again.
I'm thinking that maybe
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Papa Akai since it's entirely possible that Gosho will pull another faked death here.


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Either him or Rumi, I'd say.
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Postby MoonRaven » September 14th, 2016, 11:20 am

DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
MoonRaven wrote:I'm currently wondering who's the person uploading the information of Kohji's death on the Internet over and over again.
I'm thinking that maybe
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Papa Akai since it's entirely possible that Gosho will pull another faked death here.


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Either him or Rumi, I'd say.

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Maybe, but I'm banking on Rumi being one of the three personas of RUM, with Kuroda being other.
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Postby Tantei San » September 14th, 2016, 12:00 pm

but don't you think her being a primary teacher besides its too easy to spot her name and identify her as RUM ..! also its just a possibilty and since it was a BODYGUARD though there is a possibility of being a female bodyguard but i suppose it has to be someone buffed and big atleast a man , if not buffed or like a bouncer tho!! just a thought you may be right ! also its said he/she can do gr8 disguises or atleast since BO's ppl haven't really seen him/her correctly its said !! let's see
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MoonRaven wrote:
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
MoonRaven wrote:I'm currently wondering who's the person uploading the information of Kohji's death on the Internet over and over again.
I'm thinking that maybe
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Papa Akai since it's entirely possible that Gosho will pull another faked death here.


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Either him or Rumi, I'd say.

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Maybe, but I'm banking on Rumi being one of the three personas of RUM, with Kuroda being other.


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EDIT: There's a postcard in which Gosho claims Rum is only one person (and he uses the English capital letters, the use of which is what brought this theory into being, right?):

RUMは1人だよん(笑)
Rum is one person (laugh)
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Postby MoonRaven » September 15th, 2016, 1:06 pm

DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
MoonRaven wrote:
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
MoonRaven wrote:I'm currently wondering who's the person uploading the information of Kohji's death on the Internet over and over again.
I'm thinking that maybe
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Papa Akai since it's entirely possible that Gosho will pull another faked death here.


Spoiler:
Either him or Rumi, I'd say.

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Maybe, but I'm banking on Rumi being one of the three personas of RUM, with Kuroda being other.


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EDIT: There's a postcard in which Gosho claims Rum is only one person (and he uses the English capital letters, the use of which is what brought this theory into being, right?):

RUMは1人だよん(笑)
Rum is one person (laugh)

Alright. *sigh* I haven't kept up with the postcards that much. Sorry.
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Re: Kohji's Death, the Akai Middle Brother

Postby Spimer » September 15th, 2016, 1:23 pm

@MoonRaven:
Spoiler:
Gin also speaks of Rum as a single person: "That murder that Rum screwed over 17 years ago"
"I shall revive again, again AND AGAIN!"

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